LR Girl From Bookstore

[James D]

Howdy parnters!

Had an interesting lay today from a girl I met two days ago in a bookstore.

Wanted to share the win

The Approach

I went to a big bookstore hoping to get the original french version of Le Petit Prince (The Little Prince)

As I'm browsing through the sections, I see a hot girl dressed in an interesting all pink outfit. and shorts, with her sexy legs standing out. She's standing in a corner reading a book.

I walk up to her.

ME: Excuse me... (she looks and meets my eyes) I was over there looking for a book (turn to where I was)... and I saw you... and, huh, I loooove (gesture with my hands) that outfit you have on.
HER: Ohh thank you (smiles)

It's very subtle but I can tell she's nervous/uncomfortable. I quickly assess the situation and realize that I'm literally cornering her into,well, the corner. She has no way out.

Within a few seconds, I've readjusted my body positioning to be on her side rather than facing her full on.

ME: What's your name?
HER: Sara
ME: Nice to meet you Sara, I'm James. What's that you're reading? (points at her book)
HER: It's (book name). It's about wars in the middle ages.
ME: Interesting! (and I actually think so). Let me have a look?

She hands me the book. I read the back and quickly leaf through it.

ME: Damn I wanna read that!
HER: It's pretty good! I love reading books on history, especially wars.

Now I feel she's a little more comfortable.

ME: I know right, they're fascinating. I forgot which book it was but I rememebr reading about the Battle of Alesia, have you heard of it?
HER: I don't know, when was it?
ME: It was at the time of Julius Caesar. He was invading Gaul and employed great tactics until Vercingetorix had to give up.
HER: Vercin-who?
ME: Vercingetorix. (Realizing i pronounced it in the french way) I mean... Vercingetorix (pronounced it in English)
HER: Ohhhh yes, I've heard of him. He was a french King or something?
ME: Yeah! Great leader, sad end. Anyway (realizing have to move on from the war topic) how's your day going? Just casually chilling at this bookstore?
HER: Yeah, I like the vibe here.

I nonverbally gesture her to move out of the corner into a more open area.


ME: (looks around) It has a pretty good vibe. Especially those vintage aesthetics over there.
HER: (big smile) That's my favourite part of this bookstore!
ME: Well looks we're gonna get along then (wink at her)
HER: you know, I was a bit surprised when you approached me. It never happened before.
ME: Well, how could I not? You looked so gorgeous in that outfit!
HER: Thank you...but I have a boyfriend, you know?
ME: What a coincidence! Me too!
HER: What? (laughing)
ME: I have a boyfriend!
HER: No waaaaay
ME: Well yes, he's all cute and handsome and... (I laugh, moving my head from left to right) Damn I could not even get through that
HER: Haahah I knew it. You don't seem gay
ME: Well women are so beautiful and sensual, it would be impossible to be gay...altho, I wonder what being bisexual would be like.
HER: Best of both worlds (laughing)
ME: I know right! Seeing a cute couple walking by and being like damn, I wanna fuck both of them
HER: (laughs loudly)

ME: hey look, you're pretty fun! We should get coffee sometime, maybe talk some of the books we've read.
HER: hmm yeah ok, why not. Do you have whatsapp?
ME: I do

We exchanged numbers and bid farewell.

This approach was a little longer than I'd have liked but I had a good feeling about it.

I text her and she replies.

We agree to meet today (two days later)

The Date

I have her come to the usual coffee shopI run my dates.

She's dressed in a nice denim skirt, a more conservative than her all pink outfit but I love it.

I greet her with a hug. I tell her she smells good.

Now, there was lot said during the date. For practical purposes, I won't write it word for word but I'll give the general outline of how it went.

As we got to the coffee shop, we stood in line. There was mostly some boring small talk. I made a joke about the design of the place. She laughed but it was a polite laugh.

We sit at a table in the far end of the coffee shop. It feels more intimate.

I quickly transition into deep diving her.

She likes to talk a LOT, something I had not picked on during the approach, where she seemed a bit more quiet.

Turns out she just graduated and started as an English teacher.

I build some similarity by speaking of the feeling I get as a math tutor when I explain something and my student suddenly gets it and has that lightbulb moment. She enthusiasticallty relates and tells me a similar instance where she experienced and loved it.

We then talk about her travel dreams and how she wants tour Europe with a backpack and go camping in the mountains with her dog.

The conversation goes pretty deep as I explore why she longs for travel and we conclude that she's after freedom, something she does not feel she has at the moment.

I then provide some genuine suggestions based on my experiences and I try to inspire her.

Sexualizing The Interaction

The problem with me is I love conversations that make us travel to those interesting places in our minds.

I personally get excited by that only.

But I often forget (at least in the past) to sexualize.

So I decide to sexualize.

Keep in mind there has been touch throughout the one and half hour of conversation but it was time to take it to the next level.

I transition smoothly to the good lover's gambit. She loves it.

I then transition to the orgasm control sex gambit. It's one I particularly love because I'm good at eating pussy and I've practiced that in real life many times. When I explain it, it feels more real.

After the gambit, I feel like she got more excited.

We spend some time fluff talking as I have my hand on her thigh. There are moments where we're staring at each other and she laughs to break the tension.

After massaging her thigh for 7-8 minutes, I'm getting pretty horny.

I had also cut the spaces between us to I leaned in a few inches and whispered in her ear: "I have this amazing, vintage chinese tea set. It's the best thing to soothe yourself and feel relaxed. It's the best tea ever. Let's go have it."

She laughs at my over selling but says "Sure!" with a big smile.

My Place

10 minute walk from the coffee shop.

I spend some time preparing the tea.

I felt some discomfort from her end so I thought I'd take it slow.

We drink the tea and I make the atmosphere a little light.

I create a kissing moment by letting the conversation die and smiling at her with bedroom eyes.

She does not break it.

I pull her in and kiss her.

She kisses back but pulls back.

HER: I have a boyfriend
ME: So do I
HER: (laughs loudly) Stop! Im serious
ME: So am I
HER: Stoooooop (still laughing) I'm serious
ME: look I love spending time with you
HER: I love it too
ME: All I know is... if something feels right, then it feels right.
HER: I know, I totally agree
ME: That's how I know this Chinese tea is the best, because it feeeels right
HER: (laughs again) damn it this is not about tea
ME: (looking at her with an obvious over dramatic expression) It's ALL about the tea
HER: (laughs) okay okay sorry, yes, it's about the tea

This time I laugh

ME: I like you, you know. Yes, you're beautiful, obviously, but you're intelligent and it's so interesing to speak with you. Conversations with you are like travelling.
HER: That's very kind of you to say, thank you (she sounds genuine)

I pull her in and kiss her.

HER: (smiles) okay we're only gonna kiss, ok? nothing more
ME: Darling, I promise you one thing.
HER: What is it?
ME: We won't ever do anything you don't wanna do
HER: good (she seems relieved)

ME: Come over here (point to the bed) It's more comfortable
HER: I said kissing only!
ME: Add cuddling to that
HER: Hahaha okay

We lay down, cuddle and start kissing.

I escalate from there and finger her. She goes crazy.

HER: Put it inside...
ME: Sure

And the rest is history. After sex, we had a pillow talk and turns out she's in an unhappy relationship with some dude she's been dating since secondary school. She says I'm her second sexual partner after this guy and she never thought sex could be so good.

 

[Rakehell]

Nice! I like how you persisted through the boyfriend thing. When she first mentioned it I thought, “maybe it was a white lie, from nerves”.

But with the added context it’s clear that she was genuine. Respect for persisting and escalating in a smooth calibrated way.

 

[DarkJedi]

@James D excellent way that you handled the boyfriend objection!

Is there something specific in the interaction that made you decide persisting would help, or do you persist in all cases when she has a boyfriend and see where it goes?

 

[KJ Francis]

Hey James,

ME: Excuse me... (she looks and meets my eyes)"

Do you ever experiment with meeting her gaze instead? I recall Chase writing something to the effect of not underestimating the power of starting the dynamic that way. In this case you are using voice to get her attention before she sees you with no pre-opener? I'm imagining either saying excuse me while looking a few feet next to her and meeting her gaze within half a second... or be looking at her legs and let her see you slowly drink her in while raising your eyes to meet hers while delivering the opener.

It is probably more applicable when walking opposite directions and crossing each other's paths, for example.

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HER: (laughs) okay okay sorry, yes, it's about the tea

Awesome full buy-in to your frame. I always enjoy in your face, flirty plausible deniability.

HER: Put it inside...
ME: Sure

Here you are obeying her command (in the best way), but maybe make her say please in between, or avoid potential negative compliance but still tease in some other way, like just the tip and make her work to receive what she just told you to do. I'm actually not sure how to best phrase stuff like this where you were going to do it anyways. Like if your wife said "take out the trash" as you were walking toward it.

 

[Bismarck]

Congrats man you're really on a roll!

Inspiring to read these.

Curious to know how you transitioned from conversation (deep diving) to explicit sexual gambits like Teevs' Good Lover and Orgasm Control during a day date. Especially considering these were probably instrumental in securing you the lay (as were your boyfriend objection handling and presumably excellent fundamentals).

 

[James D]

@James D excellent way that you handled the boyfriend objection!

Is there something specific in the interaction that made you decide persisting would help, or do you persist in all cases when she has a boyfriend and see where it goes?

Thanks mate. I was sure she was into me and was not actively trying to keep herself away from me for the boyfriend. I read rightly that she was in a relationship that was not going well

 

[James D]

Congrats man you're really on a roll!

Inspiring to read these.

Curious to know how you transitioned from conversation (deep diving) to explicit sexual gambits like Teevs' Good Lover and Orgasm Control during a day date. Especially considering these were probably instrumental in securing you the lay (as were your boyfriend objection handling and presumably excellent fundamentals).

Thank you sir!

For the transition to the good lover's, she was talking about how she found it funny that people feel like they're always connected to each other (social media and all) but actually we live in an era of great disconnection. I commented on what she said, and then added that people indeed act in weird ways at times. I gave an example of how it's insane to me that a lot of people I know worked hard to move to this city but never visit the beautiful parts. They only work and then spend their time scrolling their phones.

There was a bit of a die down in the convo as a reflective mood surrounded us.

Then it went something like this:

ME: Yeahhh... Damn, indeed it's insane how people act sometimes.
HER: Ikr!
ME: Seriously, in all facets of life you see the strangest behaviours amongst people
HER: yeah...
ME: Actually this got me thinking, there's something I find pretty strange about most men
HER: what?
ME: Well, they seem to think that, in order to have sex with a woman, they have to impress her..so they wanna show up in expensive cars and they talk about how great their jobs are... and sure, these things are impressive but that's not what will excite a woman to have sex with them.
HER: oh for sure

And I launched into the good lover's.

For the orgasm control, I used the simple transition "You know I was reading a research paper on female anatomy as part of my research and stumbled across an interesting fact"

Cheers mate! Thanks for your comment

 

[James D]

Do you ever experiment with meeting her gaze instead? I recall Chase writing something to the effect of not underestimating the power of starting the dynamic that way. In this case you are using voice to get her attention before she sees you with no pre-opener? I'm imagining either saying excuse me while looking a few feet next to her and meeting her gaze within half a second... or be looking at her legs and let her see you slowly drink her in while raising your eyes to meet hers while delivering the opener.

Pre-opening is a powerful tactic that I use when I approach girls in bars or in lounges or on campus or in more regular setting in day game (she's casually standing next to a pond at the park taking a picture. I happen to stand next to her and pre open her)

My goal is to integrate pick up in my every day life. It's strange to write that because I started out with this goal in April this year. And my two last lays came when I went out with no intention to approach.

Anyone, for this goal, spontaneous approaches work best at least for me.

If you read my previous reports (they're a couple only, should not be long), you'll see that I do more spontaneous approaches.

For those, I think the pre opener is not a necessity because whatever is being lost when skipping it is getting compensated in other ways (boldness of approach, intrigue generated by the genuine compliment, the fact it never happened to her before, the "movie moment" feel)

Here you are obeying her command (in the best way), but maybe make her say please in between, or avoid potential negative compliance but still tease in some other way, like just the tip and make her work to receive what she just told you to do. I'm actually not sure how to best phrase stuff like this where you were going to do it anyways. Like if your wife said "take out the trash" as you were walking toward it.

I disagree.

I reread the portion in my report thinking I miswrote it but I think I wrote it fine.

Note that she came with the frame "we're only kissing", which I did not buy into. I said the classic "We won't ever do anything you don't wanna do" which is not battling her frame but certainly not buying into hers.

Second, I moved her to the bed. When she resisted with "only kissing" I said "add cuddling", again not buying into her frame, actually weakening as I get her to do something more than just kissing.

Now we're kissing, I've had my hands all over her body (not supposed to according to her frame), fingering her and driving her crazy (defintely broke her frame of "we're only gonna kiss")

She's going crazy, moaning, breathing loudly and she says "put it inside..."

Her frame is long broken and she knows it (and is excited by it)

She's not ordering me here. She gave up. She accepted that "only kissing" cannot happen, something more must happen, which is my frame, as evidenced by everything I did up to the point where I isolated, kissed her and fingered her.

Agreeing to her begging for the dick inside is certainly not obeying her command.

I would certainly not make her work for putting my dick inside, which she had been resisting with a strong logical reason (boyfriend).

I love playing with fire but not with such stakes.

 

[James D]

Nice! I like how you persisted through the boyfriend thing. When she first mentioned it I thought, “maybe it was a white lie, from nerves”.

But with the added context it’s clear that she was genuine. Respect for persisting and escalating in a smooth calibrated way.

Thanks for the kind words man!

 

[KJ Francis]

Ok so say you and a girl are casually browsing shelves in a shop, you are less prone to hover and elicit an approach invitation before drawing her into your world, and instead more so penetrate her world? Your Burger King approach was very dominant. It's like hunting vs. trapping if you get what I'm saying.

Would you start as a beginner with the whole direct "I saw you and just had to..."? I don't know if it's good for me to run across the street after a girl until I know my skill is such that it's likely to go well. Still, otherwise she is gone from your life, hmm...

And I see what you mean... you literally seduced her, and at the peak of horniness, her "command" is actually a moment of submission, and not a time to step backwards.

But I do notice when girls get really horny and aggressive, it seems dominant and I don't enjoy it. Like once after making a woman cum I'm still going hard and she says "cum for me", instant turn off. So I mean more like you were fucking a girl from behind and she said "pull my hair", I wouldn't like letting her lead like that, even if the act itself is a dominant one.

Obviously this girl was in the palm of your hand. I'd say you and Tony D are like the models of what I want to get to.

 

[DarkJedi]

But I do notice when girls get really horny and aggressive, it seems dominant and I don't enjoy it. Like once after making a woman cum I'm still going hard and she says "cum for me", instant turn off. So I mean more like you were fucking a girl from behind and she said "pull my hair", I wouldn't like letting her lead like that, even if the act itself is a dominant one.

Maybe you have not taken a strong enough sexual lead from the get go. More dominant girls will require a stronger lead, while naturally submissive ones will fall into your frame easier. Depending on the situation you might turn it around with something like this:

You (intense eye contact): you really want me to come, don't you?
Her: Yes
You: Say please
Her: Please come for me

As for the "pull my hair" case, you could pull her hair AND do something even more dominant, like pull her close to you by her throat, or hold her face from the side and out your fingers inside her mouth. Then you're doing what she likes but also not just following her "command".

 

[James D]

Ok so say you and a girl are casually browsing shelves in a shop, you are less prone to hover and elicit an approach invitation before drawing her into your world, and instead more so penetrate her world?

In this case I would preopen. The setting allows for it.

Would you start as a beginner with the whole direct "I saw you and just had to..."? I don't know if it's good for me to run across the street after a girl until I know my skill is such that it's likely to go well. Still, otherwise she is gone from your life, hmm...

I don't see beginners handling direct openers well.

I've started out with indirect openers for years before going direct.

That's because their expection seems to be "If I say these words to her, she will feel good and like me more and I'll have a shot"

They compliment from a reaction seeking point of view.

For direct openers to land, you must compliment from a non reaction seeking pov.

You're complimenting her sincerely because her beauty intrigued you and you approached her to see what else she has to offer.

Can you feel the difference between those two frames?

I can tell you that I haven't had a rejection (as in harsh) in day game in a long,long time. I've had refusals. I've had girls clearly not attracted to me.

But they were always polite and grateful for the compliment. Never ever bitchy.

One of my most memorable approaches was an Italian beauty who was unfortunately married. After thanking me for the compliment, walked away, only to turn back, walk back to me and hug me tight, whispering in my ear "Thank you for making me feel beautiful"

These can only come from sincere compliments. It's not just words.

Fundamentals also play a big, big role.

You must clearly be high value.

Think a king walking about his castle, sees a beautiful girl, stops and approaches her, compliments her, fully curious who this beauty is.

Like once after making a woman cum I'm still going hard and she says "cum for me", instant turn off

I can't see how that would be a turnoff for me.

You seem a bit extreme in your views of dominance/submission at a micro level.

It doesn't have to be that way.

I'd say you and Tony D are like the models of what I want to get to.

I miss Tony and still read his articles.

You'll get there. Lots of action. Reflection. Refinement. Lots of action. Rinse and repeat.

 

[KJ Francis]

Thanks guys! Years of practice here we come haha

Yeah I may be too rigid in BDSM thinking. I've only recently been scratching the surface of having girls tell me I made them cum multiple times, so still getting used to it.

I am just so used now to paying attention to the effects of subtle things like frame control, walking slowly, pre-selection, etc. It's not like my psychology is such that I get triggered into some reactive dominance display, but I do want to set the best possible relationship precedent from the first fuck dynamic.

This came up because I happened to do one of my first day game approaches same day, and she happened to be married too. I saw her with him in the food court after, so logistics were impossible that day.

But it was am amazing interaction, and we had a little stalking thing going on in the aisles where I baited her with body language (I like baiting with peripherals too... If you get sort of close to eye contact and she's attracted, I find that can kick off AI's like hovering). My current stage is walking in hyper awareness state.

Anyways, I can type almost too fast, which makes me prone to derail threads easily.

But something I have always wanted to ask you is - do you ever fuck these girls a second time? It seems you create the kind of rich experiences that will have women daydreaming later and falling in love with you.

 

[Skills]

This is a perfect example of how to fractionate humor in the seduction specially with dealing with objections and shit test... curious to know if you picked up when she was giving the boyfriend objection I bet her body and body language betrayed her...

 

[James D]

I bet her body and body language betrayed her...

Exactly...

 

[Beck Bass]

All I know is... if something feels right, then it feels right.

Jeeez-us, that man is on fire! hehe
I was never into the whole gambit verbal sex game stuff, but you make me wanna learn it, gotta check those articles out!

She says I'm her second sexual partner after this guy and she never thought sex could be so good

Well done sir, well done... Nothing more I can add