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Initial contact and setting the date
I contacted her on wechat last week but the interaction was quickly stalled and I had discounted her already. However on Tuesday morning after my night out (and lay!) with K this Kenyan girl, I see Helen’s moment on wechat - she apparently was drinking wine in W hotel last night, while I was in Kempinski hotel just opposite the street.
So I engage her by text and let her now I was there at the same time. She asks “why you didn’t tell me before?”. At this point in time I had two dates lined up, Tuesday night and Wednesday night. Thursday I guess I’d better rest a bit at home. So I agree with her to meet on Friday night. I get no news from her until Friday. I tried to setup a date with some other girls from Badoo, but by Friday morning it’s inconclusive, so I reengage Helen and tell her “let’s meet tonight as agreed”. It’s OK from her side, we exchange logistics info, I’ll come to pick her up at 7pm.
The date
She’s very pretty (I give her 8), smiling and warm. Good vibe from the moment she gets into the car. I take her to the Strata one of my favorite spots in Doha (and right across the street from my apartment). Vibe is good. Communication is not straightforward because of her limited english, but still much better than Ginger last week. Not easy to do the deep diving. In addition she’s initially a lot on her phones (she has 3). I let her do, but at some point (maybe 20 minutes into our date) I gently take her phone, put it away, and tell her with a smile “now you pay attention to me”. She smiles back and from now on she’s more present. We order wine and food.
She’s a Chinese from Hong Kong, single, divorced, on a visit here in Doha but apparently with plans to stay longer. She is already started to engage into online business - luxury bags, glasses… and prostitutes! Apparently in 1.5 months here she already has a network of girls and customers, and she arranges “sexy time”. She even shows me the creepy pictures of some male customers asking for girls. LOL. Her sales of luxury items seems to start working well. That’s why she has so many phones. She plans to stay longer, without a visa, by just repeatedly going in and out of the country. She also found a friend to stay with here. Some people like this are very good at creating networks.
The date goes well. Not much deep diving because of the communication but still some emotional connection, and I feel her becoming comfortable around me. I take her with me to other sides of the bar to take a look at the city, she’s very close and I know she’s watching me, maybe expecting a kiss, but I don’t give in yet. We have photoshoot session. She mentions that she had a boyfriend but they separated early this week (that’s why she was drinking wine on Monday night at W). There is an emotional moment when I tell her of my story with Olivia, that I had to interrupt unfortunately… and she cries. I should know better, each time you mention a past girlfriend to your date, she assimilates herself to her. Past girlfriend = her. Oops. But I work immediately to restore positive emotions, and the incident is quickly over.
She’s soon very touchy, lying her head on my shoulder, at some point I have my hand on her bare legs and she’s absolutely comfortable with it. She wants to smoke and asks me if it’s OK with me, and I initially say no. Then I kiss her “because if I kiss you later you will taste like cigarettes”. I joke that it will become unhealthy for me to kiss her, “like if I smoke the cigarette”. At 9:20 I suggest to go to my place to have wine and listen to music. She says no, she doesn’t go to people’s homes, and instead suggests to go to a night club. Not OK with me, so I decide to extend the date and build more comfort. We kiss more, and she's into it. She runs her hand on my chest. By 10:20 we go upstairs to watch the DJ, then we’re off. Still good vibe.
The pull
In the car, she mentions again about going to that night club, and frankly I don’t feel it. Also that would be breaking my frame, and giving in to hers. I prefer to lose the girl than to lose my frame.
So, instead I drive to my home. “Where are we going? I don’t want to go to the same place” “It’s not the same place. A very nice place you will see.” I park in my building. In the elevator she mentions again, I tell her “we go to my private night club”. In my home she immediately makes herself comfortable (remove her shoes). I light some candles, put soft music, and serve more wine. But she is now quickly off. Not much receptive to the kiss (she was more into it at the night club). She lies in the sofa, says she’s sleepy “because of the music”, complains she can’t smoke, etc… I kiss her neck, caress her bare legs, but can’t really revive it. She wants to go, complains she’s too sleepy. I finally yield and drive her back. In the car, I break rapport with her a bit (withdraw the touch) but she inserts her hand into mine. The vibe seems still good. No kiss goodbye (I don’t do kiss in the car nowadays).
my take
She was somewhat into me, her comfort was real, but she was probably framing me for BF/GF relationship... Or just keep me for fun time out. I didn't give in to her frame. At home it was some form of LMR “I’m too sleepy”. I didn’t impose my way too much and withdrew before getting into the heavily sexual touch... so hopefully recoverable?
Until now (11am Saturday) I haven’t got any “follow up text” from her. I will try a reconnect text later this week if I have time.
I contacted her on wechat last week but the interaction was quickly stalled and I had discounted her already. However on Tuesday morning after my night out (and lay!) with K this Kenyan girl, I see Helen’s moment on wechat - she apparently was drinking wine in W hotel last night, while I was in Kempinski hotel just opposite the street.
So I engage her by text and let her now I was there at the same time. She asks “why you didn’t tell me before?”. At this point in time I had two dates lined up, Tuesday night and Wednesday night. Thursday I guess I’d better rest a bit at home. So I agree with her to meet on Friday night. I get no news from her until Friday. I tried to setup a date with some other girls from Badoo, but by Friday morning it’s inconclusive, so I reengage Helen and tell her “let’s meet tonight as agreed”. It’s OK from her side, we exchange logistics info, I’ll come to pick her up at 7pm.
The date
She’s very pretty (I give her 8), smiling and warm. Good vibe from the moment she gets into the car. I take her to the Strata one of my favorite spots in Doha (and right across the street from my apartment). Vibe is good. Communication is not straightforward because of her limited english, but still much better than Ginger last week. Not easy to do the deep diving. In addition she’s initially a lot on her phones (she has 3). I let her do, but at some point (maybe 20 minutes into our date) I gently take her phone, put it away, and tell her with a smile “now you pay attention to me”. She smiles back and from now on she’s more present. We order wine and food.
She’s a Chinese from Hong Kong, single, divorced, on a visit here in Doha but apparently with plans to stay longer. She is already started to engage into online business - luxury bags, glasses… and prostitutes! Apparently in 1.5 months here she already has a network of girls and customers, and she arranges “sexy time”. She even shows me the creepy pictures of some male customers asking for girls. LOL. Her sales of luxury items seems to start working well. That’s why she has so many phones. She plans to stay longer, without a visa, by just repeatedly going in and out of the country. She also found a friend to stay with here. Some people like this are very good at creating networks.
The date goes well. Not much deep diving because of the communication but still some emotional connection, and I feel her becoming comfortable around me. I take her with me to other sides of the bar to take a look at the city, she’s very close and I know she’s watching me, maybe expecting a kiss, but I don’t give in yet. We have photoshoot session. She mentions that she had a boyfriend but they separated early this week (that’s why she was drinking wine on Monday night at W). There is an emotional moment when I tell her of my story with Olivia, that I had to interrupt unfortunately… and she cries. I should know better, each time you mention a past girlfriend to your date, she assimilates herself to her. Past girlfriend = her. Oops. But I work immediately to restore positive emotions, and the incident is quickly over.
She’s soon very touchy, lying her head on my shoulder, at some point I have my hand on her bare legs and she’s absolutely comfortable with it. She wants to smoke and asks me if it’s OK with me, and I initially say no. Then I kiss her “because if I kiss you later you will taste like cigarettes”. I joke that it will become unhealthy for me to kiss her, “like if I smoke the cigarette”. At 9:20 I suggest to go to my place to have wine and listen to music. She says no, she doesn’t go to people’s homes, and instead suggests to go to a night club. Not OK with me, so I decide to extend the date and build more comfort. We kiss more, and she's into it. She runs her hand on my chest. By 10:20 we go upstairs to watch the DJ, then we’re off. Still good vibe.
The pull
In the car, she mentions again about going to that night club, and frankly I don’t feel it. Also that would be breaking my frame, and giving in to hers. I prefer to lose the girl than to lose my frame.
So, instead I drive to my home. “Where are we going? I don’t want to go to the same place” “It’s not the same place. A very nice place you will see.” I park in my building. In the elevator she mentions again, I tell her “we go to my private night club”. In my home she immediately makes herself comfortable (remove her shoes). I light some candles, put soft music, and serve more wine. But she is now quickly off. Not much receptive to the kiss (she was more into it at the night club). She lies in the sofa, says she’s sleepy “because of the music”, complains she can’t smoke, etc… I kiss her neck, caress her bare legs, but can’t really revive it. She wants to go, complains she’s too sleepy. I finally yield and drive her back. In the car, I break rapport with her a bit (withdraw the touch) but she inserts her hand into mine. The vibe seems still good. No kiss goodbye (I don’t do kiss in the car nowadays).
my take
She was somewhat into me, her comfort was real, but she was probably framing me for BF/GF relationship... Or just keep me for fun time out. I didn't give in to her frame. At home it was some form of LMR “I’m too sleepy”. I didn’t impose my way too much and withdrew before getting into the heavily sexual touch... so hopefully recoverable?
Until now (11am Saturday) I haven’t got any “follow up text” from her. I will try a reconnect text later this week if I have time.
