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sneaky_charm

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So I met this girl in our History class about a month ago. She probably asked me something first. Noticed she looked pretty. From then on, we have been talking for a minute or two once every week or so.

I have touched her hand a couple of times, and to test the waters I think about fucking her while looking into her eyes. She usually smiles or responds positively. We have History together 2 days a week, and English together about 5 days a week. The class has about 200 students, so we don’t always talk or see each other even if we have class together.

Today, we had History test. After test, I met her. She was with 2 of her girlfriends. I asked her about exam, and how I didn’t see her and thought she missed the exam. Then she is about to go home with her friends. I ask her to stay a while instead of going home immediately. We walk together to an empty classroom. The class is empty, but the doors and windows are open, and the teachers can see us while walking through the aisle. Not many teachers walking, so mostly we are able to talk privately without any kind of interruption. But escalating privately is a bit of an issue.

She talks about her family, how close she is with them, how she likes to be positive, that her grandma with whom she stays loves her a lot etc. Ratio was about her talking 60 to 70 percent of the time.

I try to put discretion frames. I think I did an alright job here. She agrees she hates people who can’t keep things to themselves.
Now, we talk for about 25 or 30 minutes. Eye contact okay, she is mostly excited. I triangle gaze, look at her lips for long durations making it obvious, think about fucking her while holding eye contact etc. Mostly her response is positive. Multiple times I see her licking her lips. I touch her fingers, push hair strands away from face, touch her dimple etc. Once I ask her to come near, and she playfully resists and gets away. Now, since we were talking for so long and she was sharing personal stuff and opinions, should have tried to escalate inside the classroom a few more times, but didn’t. She also said 'Why did you bring me here?' I sensed if may have been an escalation window but my mind went blank. Should have said come and I'll tell you why, and go to the other side of the room with a window overlooking the trees where other people can't see us and try to escalate.

Other students come and we have to go to English class which we have together. I realize I’ve fucked up and try to be as normal as possible while walking to English class. She seems chill and not cold or anything. Now, in class, we are the only two students, others went home. So no class; the teacher leaves after seeing only the two of us and there’s nobody in the class except us. I touch her by neck and try to kiss, and she resists. She is smiling and playful, but I’m not able to kiss. I say things like ‘It’s alright, there’s nobody here’, not like I’m butt hurt but as a reassurance (was that a mistake?). We don’t kiss and we are out.

Now, both are walking home together. She talks about how it was a big deal and what if somebody saw us etc. She asks my last name, and since I’m born in a Muslim family I tell her that, also add that I don’t really consider those people religious who do not actively practice. I try to introduce other topics but she keeps coming back into the kissing thing. She says how I can be her brother or a friend. I tell her I have enough sisters already. Also playfully add I’m cool with her being my sister if we can still kiss. Now James Marshall strictly says that no talking about kissing before actually doing it. But since I already tried and she knew, I chose to talk about it verbally.

She is determined to put me into friendzone or make me a brother. Felt like she was testing if I give in, but she may also be serious. I playfully say get away from me, I don’t need any of those; if there’s any other option, I’m open. I think I made it clear that she has to either become my lover or she gets nothing of me. However, was there any subtle way to do this given my situation? Also, she tries holding my hand a few times. I think she was taken aback when I let go of her hand after a second or two of handholding. Last, I tell her explicitly to not hold because other students can see and it may hurt her reputation if people start talking about us. I assert I’m doing it for her, that I’m cool with holding hands but it’s for her own good. I think I talked too much here. Problem is, she may be considering me as a BF material. Chase or Ricardus says in one of the articles, if a girl is in class, resisting BF category is pretty tough.

Also, two things really messed with my mind. One, she repeatedly kept saying, ‘You’re such a good guy, you’re such a nice guy, stay this way etc.’ Now, she may have wanted me to resist that and tell her ‘I’m a bad guy.’ I told her that too in some ways, still she kept saying that. Also, another thing, she kept saying ‘You’ll get far better girls than me, don’t get involved with me I’m a bad girl.’ Not in a teasing way, but kinda neutral way. Now, ‘nice guy’ is bad coming from a girl I know. But since I already touch her and pushed for a kiss too, I don’t get her saying I’m nice. She also asked after trying to kiss, ‘Have you kissed a girl before?’ I put my finger on my lips and said ‘I’m not talking about others to you and not about you to others.’ I think she also said she didn’t kiss anyone before, I don’t know how much I believe the girl.

She also asked if I had a phone a few times when we were in class, and I said I did but didn’t use it much. Don’t know if not giving her my number was a good idea, but I don’t want to share my number among the college girls. She also asked me if I have a girlfriend while we were talking in the class, and as Chase suggests, I went into how my life is somewhat disorganized for commitment, and that I’m cool with having girls in my life just no big promises. I think I’m in deep shit, into the BF zone, or perhaps now after that failed attempt into the friendzone. How to avoid BF zone in college, especially with girls I see regularly?
Also what else could I have done better?
 

sneaky_charm

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napoleon718 said:
I'm no expert, but it seems like she wants the D

Haha I'm not really sure, but even if she did want it, I don't have a place or a car, so I'm fucked. But, we'll see how it goes, still 2 years 10 months left till college is over. Hope things work out great! ;)
 
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sneaky_charm

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She lives at home with grannny and others. So not possible :(
 

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hey sneaky, interesting report!

sneaky_charm said:
She talks about her family, how close she is with them, how she likes to be positive, that her grandma with whom she stays loves her a lot etc. Ratio was about her talking 60 to 70 percent of the time.

Huh, sounds like she is revealing alot about herself as a person and what she values - from reading this, she comes across as a real sweetheart! Sounds like she seeks security and belonging, and likes close and personal relationships.

Was this the first time she revealed deeper stuff like this to you? And was it unsolicited, like she just randomly started talking about it? I've noticed in the past that girls will randomly start blabbing my head off revealing unsolicited intense details about themselves. The reason they do it is because they are forging a connection with you so they can feel comfortable sleeping with you.

sneaky_charm said:
she is mostly excited. I triangle gaze, look at her lips for long durations making it obvious, think about fucking her while holding eye contact etc. Mostly her response is positive. Multiple times I see her licking her lips. I touch her fingers, push hair strands away from face, touch her dimple etc.

Oh man, these are all good signs - especially the lip licking - she's turned on and horny.

sneaky_charm said:
Now, since we were talking for so long and she was sharing personal stuff and opinions, should have tried to escalate inside the classroom a few more times, but didn’t.

When a girl is sharing personal stuff with you, she is being vulnerable around you. She is comfortable enough to share this with you, and thus you calibrate how you treat her to this fact. The relationship has changed basically - to a more intimate one. This is the perfect time to get "close" to her both physically and emotionally. You don't necessarily have to kiss her yet, but putting your arm around her or something similar (constant touch) shows that you understand that the relationship has changed and you are leading things forward.

sneaky_charm said:
She also said 'Why did you bring me here?' I sensed if may have been an escalation window but my mind went blank. Should have said come and I'll tell you why, and go to the other side of the room with a window overlooking the trees where other people can't see us and try to escalate.

Yeah, escalation window for sure. She's trying to give you a little nudge to ramp things up! I think at this point, you were probably a little bit unattainable to her. This is the perfect opportunity to tell her what you really like about her and then kiss her.

sneaky_charm said:
I touch her by neck and try to kiss, and she resists. She is smiling and playful, but I’m not able to kiss. I say things like ‘It’s alright, there’s nobody here’, not like I’m butt hurt but as a reassurance (was that a mistake?). We don’t kiss and we are out.

The mistake was escalating a little too late, that's why she was resisting. You made her feel like you didn't want her when you had the chance to kiss her earlier. So saying "It's alright theres nobody here" was not useful.

sneaky_charm said:
She talks about how it was a big deal and what if somebody saw us etc.

This chick really likes you dude. And you say she kept coming back to this? Sounds like here she's givin you a second chance, by rationalizing the risk of the situation, rather than being grumpy with you for not kissing her. A good way to escalate here would be to compare the risk level at this part of your interaction [low] to the risk level of your interaction at the school [high], then start escalating.

sneaky_charm said:
She says how I can be her brother or a friend. I tell her I have enough sisters already. Also playfully add I’m cool with her being my sister if we can still kiss. Now James Marshall strictly says that no talking about kissing before actually doing it. But since I already tried and she knew, I chose to talk about it verbally.

sneaky_charm said:
Also, two things really messed with my mind. One, she repeatedly kept saying, ‘You’re such a good guy, you’re such a nice guy, stay this way etc.’ Now, she may have wanted me to resist that and tell her ‘I’m a bad guy.’ I told her that too in some ways, still she kept saying that. Also, another thing, she kept saying ‘You’ll get far better girls than me, don’t get involved with me I’m a bad girl.’ Not in a teasing way, but kinda neutral way. Now, ‘nice guy’ is bad coming from a girl I know. But since I already touch her and pushed for a kiss too, I don’t get her saying I’m nice. She also asked after trying to kiss, ‘Have you kissed a girl before?’ I put my finger on my lips and said ‘I’m not talking about others to you and not about you to others.’ I think she also said she didn’t kiss anyone before, I don’t know how much I believe the girl.

Haha! This is her testing you - she's trying to figure out what role you'll play in her life. you did a good job handling it by not placing yourself in the friend zone.
 
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