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killerman

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Wow, had an incredible experience last night. Went on a date with a girl, and about an hour into the date I made a move. I put my hand on her lap, she let me rest it there, then I moved it onto her inner thigh. She pushed the hand away, then about a minute later I went for the kiss. She rejected it saying she doesnt kiss on first dates and that she wants to get to know me first. An hour later she's in my bed at my place and i'm fucking her. Never has this happened to me before, usually i'd go for the kiss, if they'd reject it, that was it for me, i couldnt get back on track. This time it was different, i responded to the situation pretty confidently with my vibe totally unaffected by her rejection to my advances, continuing the seduction and conversation like nothing had happened. i guess it's proof that when you get rejected at first it's how you react to the situation that is the most important.

Earlier on in the date she had asked me what i was doing later tonight. When she asked me that i did think it was a possible invitation for sex, but i didnt make an effort then to extract her to my place, probably because it was still very early,we had only started our drinks and it was 20 mins in and i still hadnt made a move (we were sitting opposite each other as there was no option of sitting side by side, so getting physical would have been difficult). I did remember though so when she asked me again what i was doing later (this was after she rejected the kiss and said she doesnt kiss on first dates) I said i'd be watching a film and asked if she wanted to join me. she asked "are you sure we're only watching a film?" in a very suspicious way to which i said "of course". She then asked "you sure we're only watching a film? nothing else?" to which i said "sure". She then said it was getting late and that she needed to be up early to which i said we could watch a short documentary instead as i remembered she liked documentaries. i said i also had tea, coffee, fruit juice, ice cream at my place (needed to give good exciting reasons for her to come over) then she agreed to come. and within 20 mins of watching documentary we had sex.

Last night was absolute proof you can get what you want even after initial rejection. Just keep persevering in a cool, suave, smooth way and you'll get it. Girls often don't want to appear as "sluts" (i hate that word) so will put up initial resistance, especially if they're quite conservative (this one i think was quite conservative). But the thing is, if they've agreed to come out with you it's because they are attracted to you so you've just got to make it happen and break through those defences and barriers they put up.

My eyes are slowly opening. After last night the more I realise how easy it can actually be if you do the right things to get what you actually want. Definitely my seductions have come a long way thanks to this website. I would never have been able to do this even just a few months ago let alone a year ago. And the more I've been doing pickup and doing the stuff they preach on this website the more i realise what bullshit mainstream dating advice is and the more i realise how this stuff really works. Been mostly sleeping with girls on 2nd dates but definitely going to try and do it on the first more from now on.
 

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Re: Girl rejects kiss, an hour later we're having sex. My eyes are slowly openin

Those times are the best, when you get that "ahaaa! so that's how it works! I can see it now!". It's funny how watching a movie never means actually watching a movie.
Great that you handled the situation with confidence, she definitely was testing you when she said it was late. I think laid-back is the key when it comes to rejections, act like you doesn't care, and it wont be a big deal, which later will come in your favor.
 

ocantu1987

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Re: Girl rejects kiss, an hour later we're having sex. My eyes are slowly openin

nice man. Where did you meet this girl daygame?
 

killerman

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Re: Girl rejects kiss, an hour later we're having sex. My eyes are slowly openin

ocantu1987,

yeah, i met her during daygame. cold approached her, very short convo, she gave me her number. i honestly thought it would go nowhere because it was a very short convo and didnt feel i managed to connect that much but obviously i was wrong.

Radeng,

Yeah sure. After she said that she doesn't kiss on first dates I replied with "oh are you a bad kisser?" and "i feel you really want to kiss me, just go ahead and do it". then she said that she wants to get to know me better before she apologised, and i responded with an indifferent attitude. when she was back at my place, i was lying on my bed and she was sitting on the side of the bed. i started stroking and running my fingers down her back. she let me carry on. then i told her she could lie down if she wanted to, which she did. then i went to kiss her, and everything from then on was pretty good. started kissing her neck, which REALLY turned her on, then started feeling her tits and lower body. she resisted a little when i went to touch the skin of her torso, then said "i don't usually do this" and "i'm not that kind of girl" (haha the classic) to which i replied, "it's ok, you've got a good heart" to reassure her she's a good person and make her feel more comfortable. she then said she hadn't had sex in a year to which i replied reassuringly "just relax, it'll be ok" while stroking her face. from then on it was pretty smooth, easy. then i started licking and sucking her tits, while feeling her entire body, which made her go fuckin crazy before fucking her.
 

ocantu1987

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Re: Girl rejects kiss, an hour later we're having sex. My eyes are slowly openin

cool man you give me hope haha it seems alot of FR are tinder dates or social circle game and not much cold approach at a mall or something. Proud of you :)

Got to get my ass out there and sarge, pure mall daygame for me in the meantime.
 

HellAtlantic

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Re: Girl rejects kiss, an hour later we're having sex. My eyes are slowly openin

The one thing that always confuses me is dealing with rejection and the game way to handle it is to ignore as if nothing happened - how the hell do you do that? Like you put your hand on the thigh and they remove it. How do you proceed as if nothing happened? The way I like to deal with anything is to acknowledge awkwardness instead of pretend it didn't happen. That's like an ostrich burying its head in the sand - you're not hiding from anything. I understand the concept of moving on as if it's no big deal but how do you proceed as if nothing awkward just didn't happen without looking like you're running away from an awkward moment because you aren't man enough to address it? The answer to that will help me big time.
 

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Re: Girl rejects kiss, an hour later we're having sex. My eyes are slowly openin

HellAtlantic,

How do you proceed as if nothing happened? The way I like to deal with anything is to acknowledge awkwardness instead of pretend it didn't happen. That's like an ostrich burying its head in the sand - you're not hiding from anything. I understand the concept of moving on as if it's no big deal but how do you proceed as if nothing awkward just didn't happen without looking like you're running away from an awkward moment because you aren't man enough to address it? The answer to that will help me big time.

By understanding that women are water -- they fit whatever glass you hand to them.

If you want to hand them a glass of awkwardness, then they are going to fill it with awkwardness. If a man acts as if a girl's "rejection" attempt was just a way to make herself seem hard to get, then the girl is going to play along with the idea of being "gotten" by him. And if he's good, she'll eventually let him get her.

If you address the awkwardness, all that does is imply to her that you saw the situation as awkward, which will force her to see it as awkward as well. And unfortunately, most awkwardness is a mood-breaker for a guy who's trying to seduce a woman. In some cases, awkwardness can be turned into sexual tension; the best example of this is when you encounter a moment of silence between you and her where you stare into her eyes with a sexy smile, causing her to briefly feel flustered by the moment (which can "up" her attraction).

The other thing worth noting is that good seducers always assume attraction. If you assume a girl is attracted from the moment you open her, then it's easier to interpret all of her actions as ways of "playing the game" with you rather than rejecting your attempts to move things forward.

- Franco
 

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Re: Girl rejects kiss, an hour later we're having sex. My eyes are slowly openin

After she said that she doesn't kiss on first dates I replied with "oh are you a bad kisser?"
LOL definitely have to remember that one. ;) And, smooth moves. ;)

Ray

PS @HellAtlantic and @Franco, Chase's recent article https://www.girlschase.com/content/what-it-means-when-she-says-she-has-boyfriend says a little bit about responding to tests and mentions that ignoring a test can be risky because she may consider this as leaving an elephant in the room. I'm not sure if this means all tests or just her mentioning she has a boyfriend, but it's food for thought so I'm mentioning it.
 

HellAtlantic

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Re: Girl rejects kiss, an hour later we're having sex. My eyes are slowly openin

Ray:

That's exactly my point - if you completely ignore it and continue as if nothing happened it's almost as if you're showing you're too scared to address it. I would think even just giving a wink would at least show "ok, we're going to play this game out the hard way, I'll try again later". To just pretend she didn't remove your hand or dodged her face when you go in for a kiss displays a weakness, almost as if you're trying to show your feelings weren't hurt. It's not in my nature to just pretend something awkward didn't just happen, also because of my tall muscular frame it doesn't seem congruent that someone that looks like me would be scared to acknowledge a slight rejection so I guess I'm more asking "if you want to acknowledge something just happened but want to show it wasn't a big deal what is the preferable way to do it?". A wink and a smile? Smirking and saying "no worries"? Immediately trying again (doesn't seem like a good idea)?
 

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Re: Girl rejects kiss, an hour later we're having sex. My eyes are slowly openin

ray, Hell,

PS @HellAtlantic and @Franco, Chase's recent article https://www.girlschase.com/content/what- ... -boyfriend says a little bit about responding to tests and mentions that ignoring a test can be risky because she may consider this as leaving an elephant in the room. I'm not sure if this means all tests or just her mentioning she has a boyfriend, but it's food for thought so I'm mentioning it.

Her moving your hand away when you attempt to touch her is an entirely different "shit test" than her mentioning that she does not want to do something (i.e. "we can't do this" or "we should wait to have sex"). The first one can almost genuinely be ignored by pulling back, switching the conversation a bit, and attempting to escalate again later. The latter form of LMR needs to be addressed verbally either with some form of directness, humor/sarcasm, or witty reply.

The one thing you generally want to avoid during escalation situations is having logical arguments with women about why they should or should not sleep with you. Directly addressing why a girl "shouldn't wait" to have sex with you puts you into dangerous territory because it can be construed as manipulation on your part, and unless you want to risk rape allegations coming your way, I would suggest taking a more playful/sexy approach.

Logically, there's no reason she shouldn't sleep with you, so attempting to address things logically is basically beating a dead horse anyway, and women are socially calibrated enough to know that. Instead, you want to address her objections emotionally because that's where the dissonance is occuring when she gives you resistance in the first place. Lightening the mood by keeping things playful, fun, and sexy is what will let her know that you're a man who knows what he's doing. Becoming logical or stern sets off her alarms that you might be trying to manipulate her, so her guard comes up rather than goes down.

- Franco
 

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Re: Girl rejects kiss, an hour later we're having sex. My eyes are slowly openin

Yeah, guys, although I'm not super good with shit tests (I almost never get shit tested which I believe is to do with my demographic and that I'm basically a daygamer), I can say definitely that rinse/repeat in physical escalation with no acknowledgement except to back off and continue the previous conversation or activity WORKS. It's not awkward.

Ray
 

TheChased

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Re: LR: Girl rejects kiss, an hour later we're having sex. My eyes are opening..

I have a saying that I go by: It's only awkward if you make it awkward.
If you truly go by that saying, it sure gets true I will tell you. I have had good practice with situations that should have been awkward, but it didn't, because I handled it well. Like the classics "I can't kiss/sleep with a girl in my class, because it will be awkward". Yeah, for most people it will.. Because they think "SHIT, what did I do last night? This shit will truly be awkward tomorrow..." Ofcourse it will be awkward then, you just thought to yourself that I will.. When I did my last year at upper secondary school (akin to high school), I kissed 5 girls from my class, and laid two of them. (Night game/social circle on all of them, actually the last girl i laid became my girlfriend.) Sure as hell wasn't awkward the next day with either one of the girls.

Same goes for rejections that should be awkward, the last girl I talked about. The one who became my girlfriend for a year. She rejected me three times, because I kinda got the rumor of being the man whore in my class. (haha) Gave me the cheek when I tried to kiss her, gave her a sexy look and acted as nothing. A week later at another party, I got the kiss. Later that night she was gone, didn't know where she went. I heard from her friend at the party that she went home and had an after party with some of her friends. I sent her a text that I came over, and just went with her friend to her place before I got any response.(Actually never got a response) Stayed there until everyone had left, then she said "we're not going to have sex", and then she went to the toilet. Fuck that shit I thought, and jumped in her bed. She came in and looked at me strange and said "You're still here?", told her it was really cold and then I gave her the puppy eyes while I waved her over. She laughed and agreed, then she came to lay with me. We kinda just cuddled together at first (It was actually really cold. It's winter in Scandinavia and she had left her window open?!), but then things escalated once we started kissing ;)
This was a story with social circle "game", and 4 years ago I think. Nevertheless, I think it sticks to the point on awkwardness.

Hope this lighted up some stuff for some of you, as I myself like examples when I don't understand things :)
-TC
 

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Re: LR: Girl rejects kiss, an hour later we're having sex. My eyes are opening..

Great job! It seems you're getting the right mindset. The key is to remain uber cool. I am guilty of breaking this golden rule many times, and each time i regret. If we're going to interact with women we need nerves of steel.
 
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lux7

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Re: LR: Girl rejects kiss, an hour later we're having sex. My eyes are opening..

Funny, this thread went to address a topic I had just opened on being "rejected" and if always has to be a drawback for you or if it can actually also give you points :

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=11276

Not long ago I had a girl withdrawing from my "kiss attempt" and since she was shy I framed it as me being in control and "I knew you'd move away, you're so shy".
 
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