Girls act dumber than they are on purpose?

[Bboy100]

So, I was having a discussion with a good buddy of mine. And he brought up that in his experience, a lot of girls, (particularly college aged and young professionals) act stupider or "more basic" than they actually are. Its a façade. A social mask. Supposedly, that's what a lot of guys or even society in general look for in girls. In my experience, there are definitely a few girls I can remember who I thought were borderline retarded/adhd/"basic af" when I first met them. But as I got to know them better, I realized they were a lot more intelligent than I initially thought. What I can't tell is weather or not I judged them too quickly without getting to know them, or if they really did intentionally come off as dumb at first. But as I spent more time around them, they dropped their social masks and revealed that they have some depth to their personalities.

What do you guys think of all this?

 

[Inbocca]

Makes sense. Girls don't usually play with their cards down so masks are totally part of the deal. Some of the more intelligent women I've known have asked me if their intelligence was part of the reason guys didn't seem all that into them. And to be honest, I did notice that the ones who didn't make their intellect blatantly obvious were more desirable - even though intelligence is a big turn-on for me. I think it has to do insecurity on the guys' part. Men don't tend to like it when girls are smarter than them, make more money than them, have more experience than them, are physically stronger than them, and so forth. It goes back to the natural order of things: men are supposed to lead, women are supposed to follow. It's hard to follow when you're smarter than the leader. Rather than remain alone, some (or a lot) of these girls hide their intelligence to appeal to more guys. Then they can determine how much to let on without scaring the guy off.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

Yep! They do it to make men feel less intimidated. Some women will also act more drunk than they actually are so that a man feels more confident around her. I remember this 5'11" muscle-bound crossfit chick who was two drinks in and told me that she was getting pretty drunk. Fingerbanged her in a club hallway 5 minutes later. She was sober as fuck, but acted more dumb/inebriated to signal her desire to submit.

Women want their intellectual, physical, and emotional superior and will downplay themselves to see a man's best. It's similar to when a man sees another guy cowering before him - he's more inclined to dominate that man and kick him while he's down. Except with a girl, the dominance is loving, whereas dominance with another man is hostile, unless he's willingly submitting and either wants to take your cock or follow you.

 

[Bboy100]

I did notice that the ones who didn't make their intellect blatantly obvious were more desirable

They do it to make men feel less intimidated.

Yeah, I've heard this before. But I'll never understand why men are intimidated or threatened by intelligence. Personally, I could never date a dumb girl. In fact, even hookups/one night type deals are a lot more fun for me when I feel like the girl has some sort of intelligence. And I'm not talking necessarily about book smarts. I don't really care about that. I'm talking about an ability to efficiently solve life's problems+ a certain level of social skills. And most of my guy friends (all of whom are at least somewhat competent with women) are of the same opinion.

In fact, I would love to date a girl who's intelligent and has her shit together more than I do. I would learn and grow so much from her. But I guess the vast majority of men don't feel that way? To each their own I guess haha

 

[Lover]

Women want their intellectual, physical, and emotional superior and will downplay themselves to see a man's best.

Hector:
What you say above, is probably connected to men feeling intimidated by intelligent women, but can you explain this further? I think it seems contradictory that on one hand they want to see a man's best, but on the other hand they will downplay themselves to make it happen. That means that even though a woman could be lightyears ahead of the guy she is currently interacting with in terms of intelligens, physics (?) and emotions, she needs to check if HE measures up to her. And if he does, she will slowly "upplay" her intelligent side like BBoy writes about in his original post. Yes?

In fact, I would love to date a girl who's intelligent and has her shit together more than I do. I would learn and grow so much from her.

Bboy:
I would love to date such a woman as well - you know, with no mask from the beginning. Guess the game won't change just because I want it like this.. But I don't and can't really see myself learning and growing from a woman I'm dating or banging. I can't even think of a single woman in my life who wanted me to learn or grow from her once we were making out or having sex. They expected me to already know who I was and what I stood for without them having any influence. This is good because I don't want women I date or bang to inspire me, I want to have fun with them. We can learn and grow from experience, superiors and the internet

 

[Drck]

At the same time, be careful. Girls may act silly, dumb and submissive (well, not really act, that is how they are, LOL)... Yet it is also a great setup for simple test. She knows that you will get naturally overconfident around submissive girl, she konws you will feel great about girl who appears submissive to you.... So she sorts of can lead you on, and then bum - she goes cold, she goes bitchy, she goes overconfident, she goes smart, she even tries to put you down in front of other people... just to see how you behave...

...and there you go, if you are not really confident and relaxed in your own skin (regardless whether she is around or not), you will usually mess up... She will then shift you to a Friend Zone - and you are screwed, forever and ever...

Imagine a girl, who acts exactly like that, who sort of leads you on, who is really submissive to you... Now you think you are winning, you think you have a great game, you think you can bed her easily, you start believing that nothing can go wrong... Maybe she goes for a date, but then suddenly she goes cold, she pulls away... If you are not confident and mature enough, you will suffer, you will feel the pain...

 

[Bboy100]

But I don't and can't really see myself learning and growing from a woman I'm dating or banging. I can't even think of a single woman in my life who wanted me to learn or grow from her once we were making out or having sex.

It's not about what she wants or what you want. If you're an introspective person, you'll learn and grow from relationships naturally. When I talk about learning and growing, I'm not talking about a "mentor/mentee" type relationship. Relationships naturally give you a type of life experience which you won't get anywhere else. And there's lots to learn from it.

They expected me to already know who I was and what I stood for without them having any influence.

Sure. To a certain degree. Just like you probably wouldn't date a girl who's a complete mess, she wants a man who's on the same level as or better than her. But just because your overall attractiveness is similar to hers, that doesn't mean there aren't some areas in life in which she has more progress than you (and vice versa). And fuck dude, even if we look at things via your belief system- even if we assume you are her "superior", you can still learn from her. Leaders learn from their team/subordinates/followers all the time.

This is good because I don't want women I date or bang to inspire me, I want to have fun with them. We can learn and grow from experience, superiors and the internet

This sounds pretty toxic. Evaluate why you think this. You might find some bitterness or even straight up sexism.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

That means that even though a woman could be lightyears ahead of the guy she is currently interacting with in terms of intelligens, physics (?) and emotions, she needs to check if HE measures up to her. And if he does, she will slowly "upplay" her intelligent side like BBoy writes about in his original post. Yes?

The more time I spend around women, the more I learn just how stupid and clueless the average man is. I also spend a lot of time in the gay community and can assure you, even those guys, who are on average MUCH more improvement-minded than straight guys (their bodies, fashion, social skill, etc), are not remotely attractive to me. Some are, but most, well, are disappointing.

Hell, I find myself getting duped by women on the reg. There's a quote by Casanova that I have read somewhere (and will write about when I finish his memoirs) where he's in his 60s and talks about how he was the one being duped by women until his latest years in life.

Women are light-years ahead of 99.9% of men. It's not even a contest.

What metric am I using? The metric of women of course. Guys think they're intelligent because they can do integrals in 3-dimensional space. Do you think she fucking cares? No, she only cares when you use it in rocket engineering.

She wants to see you conquer another culture with an atom bomb.

She wants to see you put people on Mars (Elon musk is winning that one right now)

Women don't give a fuck about intelligence in and of itself. They care about what you do with it.

Thus, if i were to say that even the stupidest woman is smarter than most male quantum physicists, could you finish the argument for me? Like follow the logic that I've set up here and come to the conclusion that she's a genius?

Women will play dumb to see your best, because when a man gets cocky, she will see him take risks he normally wouldn't. Drck brings up a good point with that - be careful. She's waiting to see you fuck up.

Everyday it becomes increasingly clear just how out-matched we are in this game of love. Hell, over the past half decade, the majority of men have been convinced by women that they've been oppressing the female gender throughout all of history. It's the greatest shit-test in history.

I don't think I could have more respect or love for women than I do now.

Ajay, if you say you can't learn from women, then damn man, you are not paying attention at all.

Until tomorrow...

Hector

 

[Drck]

Hector: "Women are light-years ahead of 99.9% of men. It's not even a contest"

Yep, agreed 100%. I consider myself quite knowledgeable, yet probably even average girl in early 20's can beat me (dupe me). It's just unbelievable how women think, and men don't, LOL

 

[killerman]

Anatman -

I'm not an expert level seducer like Chase, you, franco and the others yet, but I'm not sure if I agree with you on women acting dumber and more boring than they are. The reason for this is I've met thousands of women over the last 2 years and whenever I have a good conversation with a beautiful girl who has a whole range of interests and an interesting life, it's always a foreign girl. I live in the UK and on average british girls are just so BORING. The conversations are so mundane. 2 days ago I met a Russian girl in the pharmacy and boy, was she interesting. Physically attractive, confident, well travelled, into music and loads of other stuff. And yesterday in the same place I met a white girl from Hong Kong. Same story again, not just beautiful, but interesting and the conversation was the opposite of boring. Yet whenever it's a British girl, it always seems to be that she just likes to "socialise with friends, and go out and do shopping"

To me it seems like it's all the fault of feminism, girls dont have to make an effort anymore, life in the west is so easy now, everything is handed to them on a plate, and so they get complacent and lazy. And it doesnt help that they have all these pathetic beta boys on instagram and facebook giving them validation and so they think they dont have to make an effort. They can look average and have nothing interesting to say and they'll still have the losers kissing their ass because those same guys and desperate for pussy because they're not getting any. It's so easy to get into university, so no one makes an effort to acquire new skills. Everyone speaks english so there's no motivation to learn another language. The west has pretty much everything, healthy levels of employment included so there's no motivation to learn another language and move to a different country and learn another culture because everything is just too goddamn easy.

I'm not a bitter guy and i hope i dont sound like one because i know it's wrong to dwell in victim mentality, bitterness because then you wallow in a black hole of misery but it seems that british women in this country on average are just plain boring. The question i want to ask though is that if british girls are doing this being dumber on purpose than they actually are, why are all the girls from around the world not doing the same? Why do they show their interesting personalities straight away and not playing dumb on purpose?

 

[Inbocca]

killerman,

Reminds me a bit of the Atlanta thread that was big a couple weeks ago. Anatman could tell you more, but the general consensus was if you find yourself in a place where the girls aren't to your liking and you're not having much luck, you can either tailor yourself to what they like or go somewhere else. Not sure where in the UK you live but if it's in a smaller city or in the countryside, the higher-caliber girls tend to leave for greener pastures. Might be best to do the same. If you live in London, I would think you'd have better options to choose from.

Regarding British girls vs. foreign girls, I'd say that it has to do with abundance on the girls' part. More well-travelled women have been exposed to more of the world, they tend to have either higher-paying jobs or come from affluent families; either way, it usually comes with a naturally-higher social aptitude. People who are higher up on the social ladder don't really need to downplay their intellect because all the mates they have to choose from are going to be higher-intellect by default. So rather than trying to hit the mean level of "interesting", they're going to try and come off as more interesting because their prospective mates are looking for that. The more "basic" girls might be downplaying their intelligence or interests to keep themselves available to more average chaps, while the high-society chicks don't even register them as blips on their radar. There's also the fact that travel just makes people more interesting, and interesting people love to travel.