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Not going to spend too much time writing this FR. There were a lot of lessons for me:
Length of interaction: Roughly 1.5 hours
Context of outing:
Managed to find a good place with decent volume of young chicks walking to a supermarket in a rich neighbourhood in the evening despite country's Corona restrictions. Was walking towards this road junction. Chick lives at a condominium near this road junction.
Structure of interaction:
Part 1: Opening and setting date
Opened while on the way to the road junction. She just walked out of a mall and was heading towards the junction (her flat). Asked her to take a walk. Managed to get her to agree.
Excuse I give: I'm taking a walk. This seems to work well enough for to get most chicks comfortable enough interacting
Problem
Punder current laws in the country, only people who are residents of an apartment block are allowed entry to that apartment blockP
Reach the entrance of her block. She says can you wait here while she puts her groceries in apartment. Good move: Use time restraint: learnt this from quite a long and useless (now useful) interaction in previous journal entry.
Part 2: Bringing to planned seduction location 1
She actually comes back down to meet. Problem: I have no logistics plan. No car. The only seduction location I know is a rather private but in-public grass patch 20 MINUTES AWAY.
Improvement: I don't give up and stick to the shitty plan. I genuinely believe that it would work so she could sense some confidence.
An endless barrage of testing:
Examples:
I'm from this country and she says the accent of people from this country is hard to understand even if I don't actually sound like that.
She consistently lies to me. No I didn't say that... Why you keep thinking I'm lying to you? In the very flirty aloof tone...
I catch her in her lies. She changes topic.
She insists on crossing a road at one point, I force her to walk not a much more efficient way but my way
She insists on buying a certain dish from a certain shop. I don't give up and make her check out a different shop. She fights like crazy I'm not used to it but don't give up
I don't have the verbal game to destroy her back on her tests so I just shrug and manage to not let it affect me.
Not enough emotional stamina: There are so many tests that my emotional energy gets sapped. Solution: Train cardio
We have to cross a lot of junctions and go places we doesn't know so well. We get 75% of the way there and she stops and refuses to go further.
Important part of interaction:
If anybody's read this far and has a good idea of what this means, could you give me an idea of what this means? Just gonna assume this is bullshit unless anyone disagrees
This is the point where if I had more experience and better skills I may have been able to walk her the extra 5 minutes. Solution: Find a better location nearer the junction or take car and park near junction next time
She turns back and starts walking back to her house. I can tell she's still interested since she walks slowly and I can tell wants me to follow her
Part 3: Bringing to planned seduction location 2 (her flat)
Not sure whether changing my direction to follow her was good move I conclude it was as I learnt more even though eventually fucked it up.
I follow her back but do a good job of not making it seem like I'm chasing. Solid emotional frame. I can emotionally feel I succeed here. Problem: Another endless barrage of tests on way back.
She keeps hammering that I won't be able enter her flat All the way until except for the very end I pass this test.
She keeps hammering that she rents a room and her flatmates not gonna be happy with her bringing a guy during Corona period
She says she doesn't speak to her landlord and only the agent who she goes through. Agent says can't bring guys back home
My response:
Very good fundamental:
So we're walking back to her flat and she says she's going to buy this certain dish from this certain shop she likes to buy from. My earlier stance was to get her to buy from another shop. Perhaps the solution is don't lock yourself into any specific opinion in conversation idk
Enter the shop. The cashier is this humongously fat chick. I raise my voice in the shop in Chinese which my date can't understand to talk to the cashier while my date's paying the cash just simply saying 3 sentences: What time does the shop close etc... Just to see what happens
My date is visibly annoyed after I converse across room with even this really overweight cashier
I decide to try the check her out openly technique from one of Chase's articles:
Then she changes story and says she's looking for toothpaste then later just goes to Supermarket. And I go with her.
Last stretch of walk to her apartment:
Hammers me again with the can't go in to her apartment tests. I just keep quiet.
We reach the outside of the entrance to her apartment. She acts (at least that what I think she did) and says bye.
I fck up this part and just say ok bye and walk off without saying anything.
I don't even try and actually walk in without saying anything to the security dude.
I don't even try getting any contact details from her.
My frame crumpled. Gotta say the tests were a beating.
Feel quite bad writing this. Will do my best to increase my chances of success the next time this happens.
A very very important note on screening for personality, age, and mood
This is probably the third 25-- girl I've approached since I started writing the journal entries couple of weeks back.
This one's exactly 25.
This really shows how much more I can learn by screening for age because level of conservativeness of this country with younger chicks being exponentially more liberal than those even just slightly older 25-30.
Discussion on Corona situation and personal morale
This shows that if I screen well, choose the right location, put in my very very best into the interaction, I can learn seduction even during this period of time.
Will adapt long-term strategy accordingly.
Additional problems and lessons
Touch
I try to get her walking with her arm in mine. She's not a citizen of the country. She explains and I understand that she can get her pass revoked if seen doing this now.
Next time invent excuse that we'll just tell people I'm her 'official' boyfriend. Holding boyfriend's hand/arm is gray area of law currently. still can do
This is my first time doing instant date go for sex. I forgot that you should lead with hand on lower back so I just put hand on shoulder and on upper back. Next time: lower back
Deep diving: I fck up the deep diving ALL THE WAY
My deep diving is really crap. I don't even get 60% to prime emotional state. Solution: Seriously go and get better at deep diving and verbal game
Big tests and opportunities I don't/lack skills to grab
1. After she comes down from her flat, she changes her story to say she was planning to come out for a walk after putting . Prime chase frame oppportunity. I don't have guts or verbal game to pull off. Solution: Internally rehearse for next parallel situation you run into
2. At the point when she refuses to walk the remaining distance to seduction location 1, in response to "I'm not that kind of girl", this would have been an opportunity to show openness of mindset towards sex, which I at this point in time do not have. Will read the article on this.
Overall remarks towards this FR:
1. Very proud of improvement my "don't give up mentality" and flexibility to come up and convince myself of seduction plan 2 after seduction plan 1 failed
2. "Don't give up" mentality is slightly different from aggression. Will think more thoroughly about the difference and implication
3. Glaring weakness in deep diving noted. Will follow up with solution another day
This shows the power of good fundamentals and belief in your plan and yourself. Keep this up. I fck up the deep diving and she still follows me on a halfway down a quiet lane to seduction location while sun is setting so getting dark
4. She's having fun testing me. Honestly, I'm slightly unhappy that chicks in this conservative country just IOI me to see what I'll do especially married and attached chicks and just get kicks out of testing me. A form of bitterness. Overall, I'm handling bitterness to women well. Solution: no need to put in extra effort. Biggest and unbreakable fundamental: I understand that it sucks to be a girl. I'm already on right track and won't have problems in this area.
Specific questions/tasks to come up with a response to:
1. How exactly am I going to get better at deep diving?
2. I learnt that I always have to have a plan to get girl to agree with even if the date doesn't go according to my plan. What is the template "plan" during this Corona virus period?
3. There is definitely a way to get chicks to stop testing. I believe it is takeaways. Go read more extensively on this on Girlschase.
I believe push-pull is the next more advanced level to get to.
4. An idea that I have: Before getting to seduction location, get chick to preliminary seduction location and do the following things:
Isolate
Get her to sit down with you (this whole FR happens while standing and walking), do touch escalation
Get her to remove her mask or take it off her face myself and chat maskless
Go for kiss
Length of interaction: Roughly 1.5 hours
Context of outing:
Managed to find a good place with decent volume of young chicks walking to a supermarket in a rich neighbourhood in the evening despite country's Corona restrictions. Was walking towards this road junction. Chick lives at a condominium near this road junction.
Structure of interaction:
Part 1: Opening and setting date
Opened while on the way to the road junction. She just walked out of a mall and was heading towards the junction (her flat). Asked her to take a walk. Managed to get her to agree.
Excuse I give: I'm taking a walk. This seems to work well enough for to get most chicks comfortable enough interacting
Problem
Punder current laws in the country, only people who are residents of an apartment block are allowed entry to that apartment blockP
Reach the entrance of her block. She says can you wait here while she puts her groceries in apartment. Good move: Use time restraint: learnt this from quite a long and useless (now useful) interaction in previous journal entry.
Part 2: Bringing to planned seduction location 1
She actually comes back down to meet. Problem: I have no logistics plan. No car. The only seduction location I know is a rather private but in-public grass patch 20 MINUTES AWAY.
Improvement: I don't give up and stick to the shitty plan. I genuinely believe that it would work so she could sense some confidence.
An endless barrage of testing:
Examples:
I'm from this country and she says the accent of people from this country is hard to understand even if I don't actually sound like that.
She consistently lies to me. No I didn't say that... Why you keep thinking I'm lying to you? In the very flirty aloof tone...
I catch her in her lies. She changes topic.
She insists on crossing a road at one point, I force her to walk not a much more efficient way but my way
She insists on buying a certain dish from a certain shop. I don't give up and make her check out a different shop. She fights like crazy I'm not used to it but don't give up
I don't have the verbal game to destroy her back on her tests so I just shrug and manage to not let it affect me.
Not enough emotional stamina: There are so many tests that my emotional energy gets sapped. Solution: Train cardio
We have to cross a lot of junctions and go places we doesn't know so well. We get 75% of the way there and she stops and refuses to go further.
Important part of interaction:
Interesting sentence she utters in quite a neutral tone of voice after we start walking back on par again: "I'm not that kind of girl"
If anybody's read this far and has a good idea of what this means, could you give me an idea of what this means? Just gonna assume this is bullshit unless anyone disagrees
This is the point where if I had more experience and better skills I may have been able to walk her the extra 5 minutes. Solution: Find a better location nearer the junction or take car and park near junction next time
She turns back and starts walking back to her house. I can tell she's still interested since she walks slowly and I can tell wants me to follow her
Part 3: Bringing to planned seduction location 2 (her flat)
Not sure whether changing my direction to follow her was good move I conclude it was as I learnt more even though eventually fucked it up.
I follow her back but do a good job of not making it seem like I'm chasing. Solid emotional frame. I can emotionally feel I succeed here. Problem: Another endless barrage of tests on way back.
She keeps hammering that I won't be able enter her flat All the way until except for the very end I pass this test.
She keeps hammering that she rents a room and her flatmates not gonna be happy with her bringing a guy during Corona period
She says she doesn't speak to her landlord and only the agent who she goes through. Agent says can't bring guys back home
My response:
Very good fundamental:
Can commend myself here: Already a feat to convince myself that Seduction plan 2 can work.
So we're walking back to her flat and she says she's going to buy this certain dish from this certain shop she likes to buy from. My earlier stance was to get her to buy from another shop. Perhaps the solution is don't lock yourself into any specific opinion in conversation idk
Enter the shop. The cashier is this humongously fat chick. I raise my voice in the shop in Chinese which my date can't understand to talk to the cashier while my date's paying the cash just simply saying 3 sentences: What time does the shop close etc... Just to see what happens
My date is visibly annoyed after I converse across room with even this really overweight cashier
We sit on stools one metre apart against the same wall, waiting for her food.
I decide to try the check her out openly technique from one of Chase's articles:
Leave shop and another test, says she going to buy water from a supermarket
She says ok let's go to this other shop instead, and somehow I just follow. Mistake. I fail test.
Then she changes story and says she's looking for toothpaste then later just goes to Supermarket. And I go with her.
Last stretch of walk to her apartment:
Hammers me again with the can't go in to her apartment tests. I just keep quiet.
We reach the outside of the entrance to her apartment. She acts (at least that what I think she did) and says bye.
I fck up this part and just say ok bye and walk off without saying anything.
I don't even try and actually walk in without saying anything to the security dude.
I don't even try getting any contact details from her.
My frame crumpled. Gotta say the tests were a beating.
Feel quite bad writing this. Will do my best to increase my chances of success the next time this happens.
A very very important note on screening for personality, age, and mood
This is probably the third 25-- girl I've approached since I started writing the journal entries couple of weeks back.
This one's exactly 25.
This really shows how much more I can learn by screening for age because level of conservativeness of this country with younger chicks being exponentially more liberal than those even just slightly older 25-30.
Discussion on Corona situation and personal morale
This shows that if I screen well, choose the right location, put in my very very best into the interaction, I can learn seduction even during this period of time.
Will adapt long-term strategy accordingly.
Additional problems and lessons
Touch
I try to get her walking with her arm in mine. She's not a citizen of the country. She explains and I understand that she can get her pass revoked if seen doing this now.
Next time invent excuse that we'll just tell people I'm her 'official' boyfriend. Holding boyfriend's hand/arm is gray area of law currently. still can do
This is my first time doing instant date go for sex. I forgot that you should lead with hand on lower back so I just put hand on shoulder and on upper back. Next time: lower back
Deep diving: I fck up the deep diving ALL THE WAY
My deep diving is really crap. I don't even get 60% to prime emotional state. Solution: Seriously go and get better at deep diving and verbal game
Big tests and opportunities I don't/lack skills to grab
1. After she comes down from her flat, she changes her story to say she was planning to come out for a walk after putting . Prime chase frame oppportunity. I don't have guts or verbal game to pull off. Solution: Internally rehearse for next parallel situation you run into
2. At the point when she refuses to walk the remaining distance to seduction location 1, in response to "I'm not that kind of girl", this would have been an opportunity to show openness of mindset towards sex, which I at this point in time do not have. Will read the article on this.
Overall remarks towards this FR:
1. Very proud of improvement my "don't give up mentality" and flexibility to come up and convince myself of seduction plan 2 after seduction plan 1 failed
2. "Don't give up" mentality is slightly different from aggression. Will think more thoroughly about the difference and implication
3. Glaring weakness in deep diving noted. Will follow up with solution another day
This shows the power of good fundamentals and belief in your plan and yourself. Keep this up. I fck up the deep diving and she still follows me on a halfway down a quiet lane to seduction location while sun is setting so getting dark
4. She's having fun testing me. Honestly, I'm slightly unhappy that chicks in this conservative country just IOI me to see what I'll do especially married and attached chicks and just get kicks out of testing me. A form of bitterness. Overall, I'm handling bitterness to women well. Solution: no need to put in extra effort. Biggest and unbreakable fundamental: I understand that it sucks to be a girl. I'm already on right track and won't have problems in this area.
Specific questions/tasks to come up with a response to:
1. How exactly am I going to get better at deep diving?
2. I learnt that I always have to have a plan to get girl to agree with even if the date doesn't go according to my plan. What is the template "plan" during this Corona virus period?
3. There is definitely a way to get chicks to stop testing. I believe it is takeaways. Go read more extensively on this on Girlschase.
I believe push-pull is the next more advanced level to get to.
4. An idea that I have: Before getting to seduction location, get chick to preliminary seduction location and do the following things:
Isolate
Get her to sit down with you (this whole FR happens while standing and walking), do touch escalation
Get her to remove her mask or take it off her face myself and chat maskless
Go for kiss
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