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Having a open LTR. Now she wanna fuck some guys. What to do?

kristian

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Hi people. I have a sort of high quality problem here, but the biggest challenge in my dating life to date.

After being immersed in game the last six months - and only doing it religiously for one month - my GF now want to have one of two "adventures" a year.

I met this woman (7 years older than me, and perhaps the smartest woman I know) about a half a year ago. She always knew from the beginning that I wanted to live polyamorous (having sex with different women), nevertheless she understood and because she is the best woman I met so far I decided to have a relationship with her. We have been together for four months now, and I am happier than ever. She is making me a better man, helping me with my career and is like a mentor to me. And the best of all; she even let me fuck other girls in her house (we live together) as long as she is not there, and use protection and as long as I change the sheets after a having a girl over. She is in many ways perfect, and understands my desire to become better with women, "as long as its only sex", she says. And don't seem to bother if I tell her about my girls now and then.

However; since we are on an open relationship (I am getting my cake and eating it too), she now told me that she - once in a wile - is getting ready to get her fare share from our relationship. She is a very sexually experienced girl and has always been honest about her past. She tells me she don't "want to be that woman again", but as a woman in a relationship - she still finds guys attractive now and then. And might want to fuck them from time to time.

I guess my question is; how do I become 100% comfortable with this? I am still a bit jealous when she go out (she is the leader of a non-profit organisation and have to travel from time to time). I often think to myself; "is she fucking someone?", "what if he is better than me?" and "what if she leaves me for someone her age, more successful and mature?" . I just came to realize that I have two options (options she told me as well):
  • 1. Go single and meet the women without being scared
. or
  • 2. Be with her and accepting that our relationship is open.

The truth is that I don't want to leave this woman. She is teaching me to become a better man, giving me a lot of business-opportunities and making me feel like "a man" at the same time (although she is a boss and has a lot of responsibilities at her work). She is someone that many people know, and do often get attention from the older, more successful guys, but says she wants to be with me and loves me for who I am. But at the same time I am a little apprehensive about this new situation. How do I manage my emotions?

And have some of you guys had an experience like this? And how did you become comfortable with it if you ever did?

She says she only will use this "option" when she travels abroad and will only be a "one night thing" with guys she will not meet more than once a year. She also says she will have sex with someone else a couple of times a year at most, and can tell me about it if I want to (albeit I told her I don't wanna know).

She is an open minded person, but hate lies and people that cheat. She also says that almost noone can be 100% monogamous all the time and says that the only difference is that we are open and honest about it wile 99% of couples out there cheat, lie and are stucked with people they don't love (she is a progressive woman). She dont want us to become like the other couples out there and hope that we both can be as honest as we can about this issue.

This is a long post, but it is my biggest relationship-challenge so far. I hope some of you guys can give me some insight about this. Im I crazy? Or Im I the luckiest guy ever?
 

Sophisticated Gent

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I have to admit that my first reaction is to tell you to quit whining. You have your cake, you're eating it but you don't want her to have hers. But I get it. You have a great thing and you are afraid of losing it. Here is the issue. If you don't let her then you are telling her that you don't trust her and that you are weak and jealous. These will lead to you losing her. I think that what you need to do is focus on giving her great sex. Make it that she doesn't even think about other guys. You will have to be dominate in the bed and make her orgasm repeatedly. Also continue to bed her day after day until she tells you she has had enough. Keep her happy. If she decides to bed some other guy so be it. But then you know you are her dominate man. Also she may tell you she is sleeping with another guy just to shit test you. You will need to respond positively. For the time being hold off on the other women and focus on her for a while. I think she will let you know when it is time to entertain other women.

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Eternity

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Seven years older? Damn son, if I was you I would have my fun with her and focus on meeting other girls other than her. She's on the down slope in terms of attractiveness. Sure, she makes you feel good n shit but seems you are accepting her frame in terms of your "relationship" and are frustrated about something you agreed to. Get the most out of this arrangement and look for other women, less you develop "feelings" and are heartbroken when she tells she fucked two/three guys last week. There's always a better one around the corner. Though that living together thing might blow up in your face, when you see a guy she brings home there. You have the frame and abundance to stay? If not, time to look for plan B...
 

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Eternity said:
Seven years older? Damn son, if I was you I would have my fun with her and focus on meeting other girls other than her. She's on the down slope in terms of attractiveness. Sure, she makes you feel good n shit but seems you are accepting her frame in terms of your "relationship" and are frustrated about something you agreed to. Get the most out of this arrangement and look for other women, less you develop "feelings" and are heartbroken when she tells she fucked two/three guys last week. There's always a better one around the corner. Though that living together thing might blow up in your face, when you see a guy she brings home there. You have the frame and abundance to stay? If not, time to look for plan B...

I would agree with you on a personal level.

But who are we to judge?

Some people are very attracted by smarts.

Some don't are about age that much, and some actually dig some years older.

A colleague of mine, extremely handsome and in his late 20's, loves older women and was the happiest when he met and banged a woman twice -literally- his age, age of her mom, with a son his age.
 

mb1

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Total cougar lover here, though anything involving her being the teacher/leader or more experienced in any way seems like a dangerous slope. Don't women always prefer an all-knowing Daddy?

Honestly this is all about genes right, and what's really happening here is you are the provider (emotionally) while she's searching for better DNA, regardless of you seeing other women. You are still lower in her sexual pecking order. She has one uterus.

There also seems to be a complete incompatibility between falling in love and truly feeling she's replaceable (necessary to act in a way that keeps her most attracted?). If you truly had absolute abundance, that would mean you have actual experience getting girls with what value she offers, meaning you wouldn't be in love with just this one. Or am I wrong and is absolute abundance knowing you can find that value within meeting 10 more girls, etc.? This seems like lower abundance then being able to call 10 more girls OF HER SAME VALUE the day of the breakup who are waiting to sleep with you, but again you never could have been in love.

It seems that being in love and deciding to settle in any way just means she's the best option around, which by default lowers your preselection compared to every other lover in her past she wasn't able to lock down.

I think many of the negative feelings simply stem from a subconscious desire to not raise another man's offspring. One of the girls I'm seeing settles for other men when I'm too busy, and I don't give a FUCK because I'm 100% positive the sex is worse, and don't care if she leaves for good, meaning I'm not too concerned with giving her up as a reproductive resource right? This is VERY different emotionally than another girl whose value's far more scarce, has access to a comparable quality of sex, and is still in love with her ex. It's painful knowing that she submits to another man and I'm considering fully breaking contact with the best woman of my life because I think that it's unhealthy to have feelings for someone who does not view me as by far the best that she has ever had or could possibly get. What else is this a discussion about besides our sexual marketplace position?
 

ProblemSolving

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I've never done open LTR's, nor do I ever plan on doing it for a couple of reasons:

For a girl to qualify for a serious monogamous LTR she has to check all my boxes. Basically, I need to feel like I couldn't do any better by being with her. That way I'm not tempted to jump ship and bang other girls when I've already got the best and she's worth the emotional investment. It's usually when a guy is committed to a girl that he thinks is below what he's capable of pulling, that he starts to consider an open LTR. In my opinion, if she's not the best, then don't make her your gf, keep her a FB.

For all the girls that don't make the cut, FB relationships are awesome. Just hanging out, getting each other off, with no emotional investment. I don't care what they do when they're not with me and if they find a guy that will give them commitment, I'm happy for them.

Now, to why I think open LTRs are pretty shitty. Who are the REAL winners in an open LTR? It's not you or your girlfriend. It's the side guys that get to bang your girlfriend then send her home to you to take care of her emotions. They get all the benefits, without any drawbacks. Not only that, but because they are more novel and scarce, they will be more memorable than you even if you're better in bed.

In my opinion, pick a side: committed monogamous relationship or casual FB relationship. Trying to mix both in an open LTR seems like a bad idea.
 
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Having an open LTR doesn't serve you.

I believe that an open LTR doesn't serve you. Mainly because of biological brain, the way the relationship starts and you basically rewarding her with every guy she had sex with.

FWB or casual will be good. or One sided monogamy anyone? I believe Chase won't teach that stuff. The CNN might paint him as the next Charlie Sheen.

Zac
 

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Just a suggestion, but maybe evaluate what you're really looking for.

I know it's the fashion to go around saying you're sleeping with all these women and want multiple open relationships, etc, etc, etc... but in reality I see very few guys ACTUALLY achieve it.

If you've caught such feelings for the girl then you're into her. I'd suspect, not actually meeting and sleeping with many women but you like the idea of being able to say you COULD do it.... but obviously as long as she doesn't do the same.

Not taking anyone to task, just saying. If you wanted her to be a girlfriend, make her a girlfriend. There's no point in posturing about MLTRs and open relationships if you're not actually achieving it and it's not what you're really looking for. If you go for an open relationship, only women who are willing to actually sleep with multiple men at a time will be open to the idea. And unless your skills are tight, it will be MUCH easier for her to get sex than any guy.... which puts you back in this situation.... loving the IDEA of this type of relationship, but not actually being able to handle it.

Do what YOU want. Not what PUA guys say is cool.
 

Rusty

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Also...

You must determine your own set of values and ethics. Whether you decide to adopt one set of values or another, you have to stand by them, and live by them in order to be living honestly and congruently. It sounds like you're not really comfortable with the idea of open relationships. So... why be in one?

I don't believe that to be true, about 99% of people cheating on their partners/spouses. And whether that is the case or not, that fear that a woman would cheat on me is not going to deter me from entering into a monogamous relationship with a woman, one that is exclusive.

I'm not here to preach values. But whether you believe she will cheat or not, or that women will cheat on you, does not change the fact whether she actually will or not. She can still "cheat" on you, even if you label a relationship as open, because if you really do have feelings for her and get jealous/possessive, guess what. You're still getting hurt. You're still being affected by her choices to sleep with other men. You might have changed the label, but internally, you're still suffering and feeling betrayal.

No matter what type of relationship you enter into, any person, man or woman has the potential to cheat on you. But that should never stop you, or make you live in constant fear or dread. All you can do is keep growing as a person, keep evolving, and keep challenging your partner. In the end, whether your partner/girlfriend/spouse decides to cheat is her decision. You can't force her or stop her from doing so. All you can do is give your best and live with purpose and keep an open heart, knowing that love and relationships will always entail some sort of risk.
 

kristian

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Hi folks. And thanks for the answers.

I am back after six weeks. And here are the experiences so far:

First of all I have been seeing another girl while being in my LTR (the other girl has been around for a wile, but I am meeting her more frequently lately). Its been a wonderful experience to have two girls. They both know about each other and haven't caused any drama. At least not yet.

Since we met, my girl has been really good to me. She has given me a place to stay, emotional comfort as well as the best sex in my life so far. I have been jobless for some months and she saved my ass financially, as well as accepting my polyamourous lifestyle.

But at the same time, there are some drawbacks:

First of all, I am not comfortable being in a LTR that is open. I wouldn't mind if we were just FB/MLTR, as I am seeing another woman . I just feel that there are too much emotions involved in our relationship to be non-exclusive and live together at the same time.

When I posted this topic six weeks ago, a part of me thought I could pull off being in an open, long committed relationship, but I realize that its much more difficult than expected. I have been in an inner conflict that I wasn't aware of; seeing her as the one, but not wanting to commit at the same time. Like ProblemSolving and some other guys prevously were alluding to; if she were perfect I wouldn't pledge to be non-exclusive.

The reason I am with her openly is because I never felt that she made the cut for what I consider a girlfriend (her age, her having kids and so on). As my fundamentals are becoming better I am starting realize that I can get women that are better suited for me where I am in my life right now (as a younger guy with a lot of ambitions other than being a surrogate father living of a woman).

Yesterday I got out of her place after realizing this. It just didn't feel right to spend the night waiting for her, and taking care of her kids wile she was with somebody else.

I think the solution is something akin to Chases thread "Why Guys Drop Out of the Game Right Before Breaking Through" (https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=12013&p=60828#p60828) As soon as I move out (now that I finally found a job) I will downgrade her from a GF to a MLTR/FB . The thing that is making our relationship a little tricky is that we live together. I told her that I just need to need to save for a month or two in order to find my own place. I also realized that getting good with women is my goal. Having a relationship prevents me from making progress fast as I become more lazy and in my comfort zone.

Now the question is, how do I say this without hurting her? I guess it will solve itself when she sees me less often, but in a way I want to verbalize this without sounding like an asshole. She needs to understand that we have different ambitions with relationships, I want her to understand this without causing any emotional damage.

I hope you guys can help.

Thank you so much for the support.
 

ray_zorse

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I feel it is impossible to downgrade your relationship with a woman. You must always respect the precedent you had previously set. Moving out might not be a big deal though, as long as it was understood that your moving in was only a temporary solution to a financial issue. If you want to cut down the amount of time you spend with her, then this might cause problems (i.e. drama) but you could possibly get away with it if it looks like a natural consequence of your moving out. Actually I moved on from a FWB in this way just by moving from her suburb to downtown which made it harder logistically especially given our opposing schedules, but she's not stupid, she knew what was up and I finally had the breakup talk with her the other day, 11mths later. So I guess your girl is also not stupid. Why not be honest with her that things are not 100% working from your point of view at the moment.
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PS I had an experience similar to your OP when my girlfriend picked up a sexy younger Colombian man in a club the other week, he texted her a few days later to set up a coffee date. I controlled my emotions pretty well, may have felt a slight twinge of jealousy but mainly curiosity. Dude apparently had good logistics so I expected him to pull her home and fuck her (and I hinted to my gf this might happen, in a teasing way that suggested she could go along for the ride). I didn't want her to know it was an issue for me so I never asked what happened but a week later she volunteered the information that he was really shy and beta without alcohol. How disappointing, haha.
 
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