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LR: HB BRAZIL
A Friday afternoon I am on my way to a coffee date with a cute Philippina girl whose number I’d gotten off a street approach one late night in Copenhagen, when suddenly I spot an incredibly hot girl across the street, who is about to cross.
She is everything that I desire in a woman: Not tall, with thick dark hair down to a slim waist, large-chested, super well-dressed, and with a very feminine air about her. She is a solid 8.5 on my scale and clearly not from my native Denmark where the girls are “ugly and fat” as well as “the most masculine in the world” in the words of RooshV – they’re definitely not anything for a Laowai : (. Normally I’m not THAT ready to approach in a snap when I’m not out to cold approach, but this girl is too good to pass by, and since I’m a member of this god-damn pick-up community I know that I just HAVE to approach her...
… so I run after her on the street, pull her into a bush, and rape her then and there! Well, not really, I approach her with a direct opener. She doesn’t speak English at all, but Danish with a heavy accent – she is Brazilian and has been in Denmark for five years. She is clearly uncomfortable with being chatted up, but I act normal and ask about her life in Denmark, and tell her about mine. Turns out she has a daughter and has recently been divorced. She works with old people, so I qualify by telling her it’s great to meet somebody who likes to take care of other people, and I relate to her by telling her about my very own grandmother who’s in her 90s and getting shorter and shorter : (. I find that using body language reduces my approach tension, and I gesticulate how grandmother used to be this tall, but now is only that tall, and through chilling, relating to her and being normal while not trying to impress her, I communicate that I’m a regular guy and safe to talk to. We talk about kids too and I show her some pictures of my nephews on my cell phone as the conversations goes on. She warms up to me pretty fast, grandma and my nephews are way awesome… and she becomes very receptive towards having coffee with me sometime, but she is not sure about her schedule. I take her number and arrive late, like always, for the date with the Philippina girl.
Over the next days HB Brazil and I text back and forth, and we settle for drinks for the following Thursday. My plan is to meet her for the day 2 and attempt a K-close, then try to bang her on the day 3, to play it safe. When she shows up for the date she’s a rocking bombshell; high heels, a short and tight white dress that shows her legs and cleavage, with make-up and pink lip gloss… I lead her to the drinks place and we get checked out by everyone and their dog, the waiters in the venue can’t stop smiling at me, the waitresses can’t stop looking at me, the other guests smile and stare… I’ve had the pleasure several times before of being with the hottest girl in a venue and receive all the (envious) stares and glances, and tonight is no different. I fucking love it!
But I’m tense. Dating girls in my native language was never a strong side (inner game sticking point), and with a girl as hot as her, I’m feeling outcome-dependent and self-aware. She immediately goes to the bathroom which I think is a bit odd. My strategy is just to chill and have a normal conversation, and I choose to initially sit to her front, facing her, to give her a normal dating experience at first and to build attraction through eye contact, which I find is more difficult when sitting side-by-side. Her eyes are glowing which is a good sign. After maybe 15 minutes I move over to sit next to her “to watch some pictures from when I was living in China” and to get some kino going. I cycle through AQC-game and at times she hits me for fun, but she keeps a distance between us, although her legs are folded towards me. I’m a bit confused and feeling a bit nervous (I’m reacting), but in retrospect it’s warm-cold behaviour as she warms up to me.
She talks about her ex-husband who is a dick and how they now have to go to court about the rights to their child and their apartment. She gets tears in her eyes so I hug her and tell her everything will be alright. I tell her how brave she must be for leaving Brazil and her family and friends for Denmark, where she gave birth to a child and then lost her marriage, and now that she has a child here she cannot return to Brazil (in doing so I show empathy, care, and understanding for her situation). I then change the topic to something lighter.
A few times the conversation dies out, and in those situations I use some simple PUA routines like taking her hand to make a bullshit palm-reading / compare hand-sizes / put my cap on her head / put my leather wrist band around her wrist, etc. At other times she starts a new thread when the conversation dies out – which (in retrospect) tells me that she’s willing to put in an effort, which suggests that she’s into me.
I suggest bouncing to another venue a few times, she is positively inclined but keeps saying no and that she has to finish her drink first. She also tells me that she has to get up at 8 AM in the morning, and here I interpret this as if she wants to go home early and doesn’t want to stay out with me (again, my negativity bias kicks in).
I go to the bathroom to think about my options. At this point I’m not sure I can make it. However, when I get back my nerves have elevated my state and she is digging my energy and I seed making Mexican food for her at my place sometime so she can try all the great meat (said with a cheeky smile).
I then bounce her first to an old-school bar with heavy wooden furniture and cigarette smoke (a mistake, I had failed to think about a good secondary venue), then I take her to the Copenhagen Hard Rock Café which is nearby. On the way she takes my arm which reassures me that it’s on. I lead her by the small of her back to the Hard Rock Café, and sit side-by-side. We get a second round of drinks and she is MUCH more physical now, and she gives me a number of SOIs – I’m sweet, I’m a good guy, etc. I qualify her on 1) being easy to talk to, 2) her warm personality – personality is a choice, 3) that she likes to help people through her work, 4) I tell her that I love when girls dress feminine and wear high heels and a dress with make-up, because that’s something Danish girls don’t do enough. We end up making out right there in the corner… a few tables away there is a tourist family with a teenage boy who is gaping and gawking at us and getting himself all worked up…
We go home separately but have scheduled meeting up for the next Friday, which is more than one week later, because she has her kid for that week. I text her on Sunday and suggest meeting for coffee during the week, since I don’t want to loose momentum, and she suggests that I come over that same night after her kid has fallen asleep. There are pros and cons to this, but I decide to go and bring a bottle of white wine along just to control the alcohol. She has prepared a large tray of various snacks and strawberries, and the set-up sends off a strong BF-zone vibe. We sit and talk for only 20 minutes when her daughter wakes up. Brazil tries to put the kid to bed, but the kid keeps shouting: “is it daddy, is that my daddy?” Ah, it’s hard-breaking – she is a three-year old child of recently divorced parents after all. Then two hours of baby cock-blocking ensue. Brazil and I eventually make out again, but with the kid sleeping in her bedroom right next door, it’s clear that there will be no honey for Laowai that night, so I leave around midnight.
HB Brazil comes by my place for dinner the following Friday. She has brought her own bottle of wine, so now we have two. I create a bit of romance by lighting candles for dinner. After dinner we sit on my bed “to watch the travel pictures from China” on my computer and we start to get at it. She keeps breaking off the escalation with excuses like: “I have to go to the toilet again, my bladder is small” – she does that no less than three times. She also breaks off the escalation repeatedly by telling me to pour more wine (she is knowingly creating plausible deniability / getting herself drunk because she is nervous about having sex), so I keep the alcohol flowing. She doesn’t even allow me to touch her generous amount of bosom and pulls away or blocks, then she says she is ticklish and pulls away again in a rush, and she reminds me more and more of the MANY times I struggled with LMR in China, the difference being that Brazil stays. Eventually I manage to finger her from behind (for some reason this ALWAYS works!), and that settles the issue and we have sex, although it turns out lousy since this time I come fast : (.
Afterwards she’s so drunk that she can only lie on my bed, bombed out. She asks me to take her home to spend the night with her there, so I do, but in the morning she doesn’t want to have sex or engage in any big make-outs. She puts up fierce resistance again towards any escalation. The same night I’m out sarging and she texts me and wants me to meet with her friends, the next day she texts me and wants to see me again already the day after, since she will be busy the rest of the week. Either way, she is chasing hard to put me into the BF zone by wanting to see me so much in the beginning, meet her friends, and by withholding sex. But then again… being chased by an 8.5 is not so bad ; )
REALIZATIONS / THINGS I LEARNED:
- When the conversation stalls I can put my cap on her head / compare hand-sizes / bullshit palm-read / just look deep into her eyes and smile / etc, which still communicates positive feelings rather than awkwardness.
- Warm kino (her touching me) / cold distance by her (her moving a bit away from me) on the seat suggests conflicting emotional / logical responses as she warms up. I can amp up the emotional side and/or get her more drunk.
- Bringing a girl to a place with loud music can help pump of the sexual state. I can do this for a 2nd bounce location, where it might aid in K-closing.
- She goes to the bathroom a lot. It doesn’t have to mean that the sarge is not going well, and I shouldn’t attach any great importance to it – she can merely just have a “small bladder”.
- I still smile too much with my teeth. I must attempt to have greater awareness of my facial expressions.
- It’s my negativity bias coupled with my frustrating dating experience in China that makes me frame her actions and responses in the negative. That’s an important reason for my lack of comfort.
- I’m still reactive if a girl doesn’t comply with my kino.
- Girls who are nervous about having sex might keep breaking off the escalation, even though they will still make out with you and make you lead her on.
THINGS I DID WELL:
- I approached an HB 8.5 in a snap even though I wasn’t out sarging.
- I managed to keep my cool through my nerves and outcome-dependence on the day2 and K-closed, and eventually full-closed.
- After reading “The Art of Seduction” I thought about what HB Brazil could be looking for in her life based on her situation: safety, comfort, stability, sex, adventure, a boyfriend. I seem to have been right about this apart from, apparently, the sex and adventure part, which are the things I’m most willing to readily give her.
- I recognize that she is framing me as potential BF material, and that might be the reason she is holding a bit back on the sex, even though we banged out once.
- I correctly suspected that she was DTF but needed to calm her nerves, since she wanted me to keep pouring her wine.
THINGS TO IMPROVE:
- I need a stronger date template for gaming girls in Copenhagen.
- I need greater focus on facial expressions and smile less with my mouth wide open ; )
- I was outcome-dependent and it made me uncomfortable.
- Consider meditation to help reduce my occasional discomfort.
- Be more aware that I interpret interactions with girls negatively.
- I need to figure out a way of sleeping better when sharing a bed with a girl or at least a better way to make her understand that I’m a light sleeper and that I keep waking up whenever she moves in the bed. Most girls become pissed off that I’m reluctant to sleep with them in the same bed and want to move into their couch in the living room or go back to my place in the night so I can get a proper night’s sleep. I just don’t think getting head-ache from a lack of sleep is very romantic…
QUESTIONS:
- Any comments about the sleeping part?
- Any comments on her LMR where she breaks off escalation again and again?
- Any comments on handling her BF-zone framing? Ideally I give her a lot of great sex in the beginning, then try to angle for a kind of relationship where we meet only once every 7-10 days to bang away. But if she keeps resisting sex, that could be a problem.
Thanks, guys. You are gentlemen and scholars!
A Friday afternoon I am on my way to a coffee date with a cute Philippina girl whose number I’d gotten off a street approach one late night in Copenhagen, when suddenly I spot an incredibly hot girl across the street, who is about to cross.
She is everything that I desire in a woman: Not tall, with thick dark hair down to a slim waist, large-chested, super well-dressed, and with a very feminine air about her. She is a solid 8.5 on my scale and clearly not from my native Denmark where the girls are “ugly and fat” as well as “the most masculine in the world” in the words of RooshV – they’re definitely not anything for a Laowai : (. Normally I’m not THAT ready to approach in a snap when I’m not out to cold approach, but this girl is too good to pass by, and since I’m a member of this god-damn pick-up community I know that I just HAVE to approach her...
… so I run after her on the street, pull her into a bush, and rape her then and there! Well, not really, I approach her with a direct opener. She doesn’t speak English at all, but Danish with a heavy accent – she is Brazilian and has been in Denmark for five years. She is clearly uncomfortable with being chatted up, but I act normal and ask about her life in Denmark, and tell her about mine. Turns out she has a daughter and has recently been divorced. She works with old people, so I qualify by telling her it’s great to meet somebody who likes to take care of other people, and I relate to her by telling her about my very own grandmother who’s in her 90s and getting shorter and shorter : (. I find that using body language reduces my approach tension, and I gesticulate how grandmother used to be this tall, but now is only that tall, and through chilling, relating to her and being normal while not trying to impress her, I communicate that I’m a regular guy and safe to talk to. We talk about kids too and I show her some pictures of my nephews on my cell phone as the conversations goes on. She warms up to me pretty fast, grandma and my nephews are way awesome… and she becomes very receptive towards having coffee with me sometime, but she is not sure about her schedule. I take her number and arrive late, like always, for the date with the Philippina girl.
Over the next days HB Brazil and I text back and forth, and we settle for drinks for the following Thursday. My plan is to meet her for the day 2 and attempt a K-close, then try to bang her on the day 3, to play it safe. When she shows up for the date she’s a rocking bombshell; high heels, a short and tight white dress that shows her legs and cleavage, with make-up and pink lip gloss… I lead her to the drinks place and we get checked out by everyone and their dog, the waiters in the venue can’t stop smiling at me, the waitresses can’t stop looking at me, the other guests smile and stare… I’ve had the pleasure several times before of being with the hottest girl in a venue and receive all the (envious) stares and glances, and tonight is no different. I fucking love it!
But I’m tense. Dating girls in my native language was never a strong side (inner game sticking point), and with a girl as hot as her, I’m feeling outcome-dependent and self-aware. She immediately goes to the bathroom which I think is a bit odd. My strategy is just to chill and have a normal conversation, and I choose to initially sit to her front, facing her, to give her a normal dating experience at first and to build attraction through eye contact, which I find is more difficult when sitting side-by-side. Her eyes are glowing which is a good sign. After maybe 15 minutes I move over to sit next to her “to watch some pictures from when I was living in China” and to get some kino going. I cycle through AQC-game and at times she hits me for fun, but she keeps a distance between us, although her legs are folded towards me. I’m a bit confused and feeling a bit nervous (I’m reacting), but in retrospect it’s warm-cold behaviour as she warms up to me.
She talks about her ex-husband who is a dick and how they now have to go to court about the rights to their child and their apartment. She gets tears in her eyes so I hug her and tell her everything will be alright. I tell her how brave she must be for leaving Brazil and her family and friends for Denmark, where she gave birth to a child and then lost her marriage, and now that she has a child here she cannot return to Brazil (in doing so I show empathy, care, and understanding for her situation). I then change the topic to something lighter.
A few times the conversation dies out, and in those situations I use some simple PUA routines like taking her hand to make a bullshit palm-reading / compare hand-sizes / put my cap on her head / put my leather wrist band around her wrist, etc. At other times she starts a new thread when the conversation dies out – which (in retrospect) tells me that she’s willing to put in an effort, which suggests that she’s into me.
I suggest bouncing to another venue a few times, she is positively inclined but keeps saying no and that she has to finish her drink first. She also tells me that she has to get up at 8 AM in the morning, and here I interpret this as if she wants to go home early and doesn’t want to stay out with me (again, my negativity bias kicks in).
I go to the bathroom to think about my options. At this point I’m not sure I can make it. However, when I get back my nerves have elevated my state and she is digging my energy and I seed making Mexican food for her at my place sometime so she can try all the great meat (said with a cheeky smile).
I then bounce her first to an old-school bar with heavy wooden furniture and cigarette smoke (a mistake, I had failed to think about a good secondary venue), then I take her to the Copenhagen Hard Rock Café which is nearby. On the way she takes my arm which reassures me that it’s on. I lead her by the small of her back to the Hard Rock Café, and sit side-by-side. We get a second round of drinks and she is MUCH more physical now, and she gives me a number of SOIs – I’m sweet, I’m a good guy, etc. I qualify her on 1) being easy to talk to, 2) her warm personality – personality is a choice, 3) that she likes to help people through her work, 4) I tell her that I love when girls dress feminine and wear high heels and a dress with make-up, because that’s something Danish girls don’t do enough. We end up making out right there in the corner… a few tables away there is a tourist family with a teenage boy who is gaping and gawking at us and getting himself all worked up…
We go home separately but have scheduled meeting up for the next Friday, which is more than one week later, because she has her kid for that week. I text her on Sunday and suggest meeting for coffee during the week, since I don’t want to loose momentum, and she suggests that I come over that same night after her kid has fallen asleep. There are pros and cons to this, but I decide to go and bring a bottle of white wine along just to control the alcohol. She has prepared a large tray of various snacks and strawberries, and the set-up sends off a strong BF-zone vibe. We sit and talk for only 20 minutes when her daughter wakes up. Brazil tries to put the kid to bed, but the kid keeps shouting: “is it daddy, is that my daddy?” Ah, it’s hard-breaking – she is a three-year old child of recently divorced parents after all. Then two hours of baby cock-blocking ensue. Brazil and I eventually make out again, but with the kid sleeping in her bedroom right next door, it’s clear that there will be no honey for Laowai that night, so I leave around midnight.
HB Brazil comes by my place for dinner the following Friday. She has brought her own bottle of wine, so now we have two. I create a bit of romance by lighting candles for dinner. After dinner we sit on my bed “to watch the travel pictures from China” on my computer and we start to get at it. She keeps breaking off the escalation with excuses like: “I have to go to the toilet again, my bladder is small” – she does that no less than three times. She also breaks off the escalation repeatedly by telling me to pour more wine (she is knowingly creating plausible deniability / getting herself drunk because she is nervous about having sex), so I keep the alcohol flowing. She doesn’t even allow me to touch her generous amount of bosom and pulls away or blocks, then she says she is ticklish and pulls away again in a rush, and she reminds me more and more of the MANY times I struggled with LMR in China, the difference being that Brazil stays. Eventually I manage to finger her from behind (for some reason this ALWAYS works!), and that settles the issue and we have sex, although it turns out lousy since this time I come fast : (.
Afterwards she’s so drunk that she can only lie on my bed, bombed out. She asks me to take her home to spend the night with her there, so I do, but in the morning she doesn’t want to have sex or engage in any big make-outs. She puts up fierce resistance again towards any escalation. The same night I’m out sarging and she texts me and wants me to meet with her friends, the next day she texts me and wants to see me again already the day after, since she will be busy the rest of the week. Either way, she is chasing hard to put me into the BF zone by wanting to see me so much in the beginning, meet her friends, and by withholding sex. But then again… being chased by an 8.5 is not so bad ; )
REALIZATIONS / THINGS I LEARNED:
- When the conversation stalls I can put my cap on her head / compare hand-sizes / bullshit palm-read / just look deep into her eyes and smile / etc, which still communicates positive feelings rather than awkwardness.
- Warm kino (her touching me) / cold distance by her (her moving a bit away from me) on the seat suggests conflicting emotional / logical responses as she warms up. I can amp up the emotional side and/or get her more drunk.
- Bringing a girl to a place with loud music can help pump of the sexual state. I can do this for a 2nd bounce location, where it might aid in K-closing.
- She goes to the bathroom a lot. It doesn’t have to mean that the sarge is not going well, and I shouldn’t attach any great importance to it – she can merely just have a “small bladder”.
- I still smile too much with my teeth. I must attempt to have greater awareness of my facial expressions.
- It’s my negativity bias coupled with my frustrating dating experience in China that makes me frame her actions and responses in the negative. That’s an important reason for my lack of comfort.
- I’m still reactive if a girl doesn’t comply with my kino.
- Girls who are nervous about having sex might keep breaking off the escalation, even though they will still make out with you and make you lead her on.
THINGS I DID WELL:
- I approached an HB 8.5 in a snap even though I wasn’t out sarging.
- I managed to keep my cool through my nerves and outcome-dependence on the day2 and K-closed, and eventually full-closed.
- After reading “The Art of Seduction” I thought about what HB Brazil could be looking for in her life based on her situation: safety, comfort, stability, sex, adventure, a boyfriend. I seem to have been right about this apart from, apparently, the sex and adventure part, which are the things I’m most willing to readily give her.
- I recognize that she is framing me as potential BF material, and that might be the reason she is holding a bit back on the sex, even though we banged out once.
- I correctly suspected that she was DTF but needed to calm her nerves, since she wanted me to keep pouring her wine.
THINGS TO IMPROVE:
- I need a stronger date template for gaming girls in Copenhagen.
- I need greater focus on facial expressions and smile less with my mouth wide open ; )
- I was outcome-dependent and it made me uncomfortable.
- Consider meditation to help reduce my occasional discomfort.
- Be more aware that I interpret interactions with girls negatively.
- I need to figure out a way of sleeping better when sharing a bed with a girl or at least a better way to make her understand that I’m a light sleeper and that I keep waking up whenever she moves in the bed. Most girls become pissed off that I’m reluctant to sleep with them in the same bed and want to move into their couch in the living room or go back to my place in the night so I can get a proper night’s sleep. I just don’t think getting head-ache from a lack of sleep is very romantic…
QUESTIONS:
- Any comments about the sleeping part?
- Any comments on her LMR where she breaks off escalation again and again?
- Any comments on handling her BF-zone framing? Ideally I give her a lot of great sex in the beginning, then try to angle for a kind of relationship where we meet only once every 7-10 days to bang away. But if she keeps resisting sex, that could be a problem.
Thanks, guys. You are gentlemen and scholars!
