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Help! Just reached 17 lays and I feel awful

Dario

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Whatsup fellas, I'm about to hit you guys with an unconventional post but if you've been where I'm at please advise.

I'm early 20's. After spiraling earlier this year (excessive drinking and drugs) I feel like I'm regaining my footing. I'm eating well, working out again and am pursuing a second form of income. However I cant start my career until I graduate college. This hurts me every day (missing purpose) but I have a mountain of debt to tackle.

Skip to this part if you dont care about the context. I've just made 17 lays since I lost my virginity. I feel like the women I've had sex with are forgetable and my standards should be higher? Is this normal at this level? I feel drained because I've put up with so much of bullshit and stupidity to get to 17 . Sometimes it feels desperate. They've all been at least 6's (minimum) to me but I want 8 and up consistently. Me not being able to advance my career atm is affecting me BIGLY but I'm slowing laying the foundation for my return to school. I've relied on tinder and my social circle. Now my social circle is disappearing!(work too much).

How have I even gotten this far you ask? I'm tall and most women think I'm traditionally handsome. Also a couple dozen dates and working on my basics in everyday interaction with women too. However I feeI a bit low on the totem pole at the moment. Should this realistically be interfering with my chance increasing the quality of my lays? Have five hours a week of social time. How can I fix my social life and improve my quality of lays while I build myself up again?


Apologies in advance for my tone. It's been one of those days and I'm just looking for some advice.

Thanks as always,
Dario
 
a good date brings a smile to your lips... and hers

Hue

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Dario,

Yo man - I've hit the exact same spot before and I understand how you might be feeling right now. It can be hard to realize how much work you've put in sometimes and not yet being at the point you want to be at.

I'm eating well, working out again and am pursuing a second form of income. However I cant start my career until I graduate college. This hurts me every day (missing purpose) but I have a mountain of debt to tackle.

Me not being able to advance my career atm is affecting me BIGLY but I'm slowing laying the foundation for my return to school.
That's great you're treating yourself well - this helps way more than a lot of people realize in being happy and progressing.

I'm not sure what career path you specifically have lined up for yourself with you academic trajectory, but I can tell you this.

The path that is outlined for you in traditional university settings is bullshit. That is to say, going from highschool --> college --> job is unrealistic for a lot of people, especially when those things are done exclusively to themselves. Sure, it can work, but personally I think that following this path is to almost assuredly sell yourself short. Last spring I went to a tech, music, and film festival and if I learned ANYTHING it was that the common narrative is not entirely true.

Many, many successful people that I talked to (and got to edit audio of from interviews after landing a temporary job at a start-up - some very successful folks) started doing some kind of project that fit their higher purpose before they finished their undergraduate. Some started a club, some started apps, some started a damn up (syntax puns lol). Is that where they ended up? No (well, there were like two if I remember right), but that experience showed them what they were capable of accomplishing, game them tools, AND used it to springboard them onto bigger and better things.

A degree helps, in a number of ways. But if you know what you fuck with find an outlet for that passion - I almost guarantee it will really be something you look forward to if you do.


How have I even gotten this far you ask? I'm tall and most women think I'm traditionally handsome. Also a couple dozen dates and working on my basics in everyday interaction with women too. However I feeI a bit low on the totem pole at the moment.
Bro, I've read your LR's, you have some decent game. Don't talk yourself down like this. You are where you're at and you plan on getting better - that's the most important thing.

I feel like the women I've had sex with are forgetable and my standards should be higher? Is this normal at this level? I feel drained because I've put up with so much of bullshit and stupidity to get to 17 . Sometimes it feels desperate.
Okay then. Time to put some serious work on leveling up. Field reports, journaling, and making specific goals towards Tinder, day game or night game are all must do things if you seriously want to get better and higher quality women.

Should this realistically be interfering with my chance increasing the quality of my lays? Have five hours a week of social time. How can I fix my social life and improve my quality of lays while I build myself up again?
Alright, you just hired yourself for a five hours a week internship in seduction. Your first task is to go approach 5 girls that you think are out of your league, instead of some 6's. After that you'll need to turn in a write up to yourself of what happened, what went good/bad, and how you can make it better. You're your own boss. Not a bad gig.

See what I'm saying here? If you have the time, and you're not using the time for something that you do give a fuck about - it's not gonna make you feel any better or get anything out of it. Treat yourself like an employee of a company you own, and think about what that employee doing an optimal job in their position might look like. While I think learning seduction is an important and admirable skill for people of all ages (but especially in their 20's), maybe women isn't where you want to spend your time right now and it turns out something to do with your career would better suite you. Totally your call to make Dario.


Last quick point I'll make is that there's generally two ways to go about getting higher quality women. You can either:

  • Plow through your usual quality until you're so damn good with that challenge of higher quality is no longer as much of a challenge (a sea of 6's will eventually have a 7 or 8 that you know how to game correctly)
  • Go hard as fuck for the higher quality girls until you get one, then two, then three, etc.
In my personal experience, the latter is more rewarding when you finally get there, and you learn more. More rejections, more competition, but greater prizes.

But the former is more consistent wet pussy on your cock, and with enough time you'll still hit the level you want. Also benefits you can leverage like social proof and preselection if you play a 6 to get a 7's attention/attraction, for instance.


You've come this far in your journey, and you know what you're capable of. Why would you stop when you know of the abundant possibilities that wait ahead of you, further up the mountain?

Hue
 
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