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Helping My Sister Get Rid of Creepy Orbiter

Rage

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Hey what's up guys,

I wanted to ask with help about something; my sister came to me about advice on what to do about this guy, that is obsessed with her.

She's asked me about him like before and shit, and in the past I’ve told her “don’t worry its probably harmless, just keep going about what you’d be doing otherwise” and for the most part in the past that did ok for her it seems. But things have gotten a bit worse for her lately.

A little background; I’m the oldest child in my family and am 21.

My sister is my only sister and she is 2 years younger than me; we grew up together and have been fairly close since we’ve been young. Not super close, but we have a healthy relationship probably more than the average brother and sister do. I talk to her and or see her like once or twice a week or so.

My sister, oddly enough has a lot of the qualities that I find myself looking for in relationship quality girls.

I think there’s a bit of psychology that Chase mentioned somewhere that says that you tend to mirror or model either your mother or your sister for a relationship to some degree in your life, and that ends up happening in the relationships you get.

For me it is kind of the case for my sister I think; definitely not my mom cause she’s more masculine, and aggressive, and an asshole/more in common with me. My dad and sister are the softer ones in the family and the ones who I try to learn empathy and kindness and feminine qualities from.

My sister is 19, gonna turn 20 soon; she is inexperienced has never had a boyfriend, is an engineering student and gets really good grades.

She is shy excited inexperienced, conservative girl https://www.girlschase.com/content/girl- ... ited-girls and yeah honestly its kind of weird as fuck but a lot of the qualities she has are what I find similar to some degree that I like for in a girlfriend (just stripped of some of the  bad, like sibling disagreements and bullshit and stuff perhaps).

She is feminine and soft by nature and ambitious, hardworking, but also likes to socialize having movie nights and other bullshit with social circles besides spending time with her close friends.



My sister’s been having trouble with this orbiter guy. Who is an indian guy and really socially awkward and clueless coincidentally.

The guy is obsessed with her she says, knows everything about her, knows where she went to school and who all her friends are and what all her classes are without her telling him.

What’s he like I asked her; and my sister’s like he’s a loser, and told me how her and a few friends watched a Bollywood film together two days ago and one of the friends brought along a few other girls and this guy decided to tag along. And it was like 8 or 9 of them and this guy, and he is weird as fuck and socially awkward, and how he sang along, by himself, to all the Bollywood songs in the movie. Lol

I didn’t really know what advice to give my sister or how to help her out.

She is afraid of him and creeped out, because he knows where she lives now after her fuckign friend brought him over for that movie night. There is shit I'm forgetting to say here but everything she's told me seems to proves that he is creepy is obsessed with her and is fantasizing about them being together or whatever.

She is afraid and worried he will get violent or try to push things too much with her or what will happen.  

My sisters very sweet and feminine  by nature; and had trouble telling him off. She did once or twice and he was sad and mad at her then as a loser guy would be, and then she felt horrible and apologized right away. She said then he chilled for a few weeks or so and she thought it was over but then it transpired again.

Whatever events she goes to or club meetings or whtever she goes to he sees on facebook and then goes just to be there too and to try and stalk her kind of. She’s said that they are always in groups with other acquaintances and never her and him together alone; she has told her close friends but the people she is in these groups with are more acquaintances , who if they got involved it would be weird or not help or something.

Honestly, I don’t know a ton about this, and just know what my sister has told me.

I met the guy and didn’t know it was him actually, at a restaurant event I dropped my sister off at.

Apparently I honked my horn at him because he wouldn’t turn left when the signal went green (I’ve been working on chilling with that a little lol), and I apologized to him and smiled and was nice and got his name.

She later told me that;s the guy whos been stalking me and who I’m scared of and shit; she said I wish youd been more threatening or scarier with him and you were like really nice instead.



I don’t know what advice I could give my sister or how I could help her out.

I also don’t know how much of a serious problem or not this is, cause the guy is creepy and weird and inexperienced and could act up or do something, and my 90 lb sister would have no hope of fighting him off.

WIth girlfriends and orbiters I think the advice to give girlfriends was to just you as the guy not take their orbiters too seriously, and for them to be clear they have a boyfriend, but other than that just go about their day to day? And the orbiters can keep their hope and keep talking to them or whatever but your girlfriend will be fine and have you still at the end of the day.

So yeah; I’m not really sure what my sister could do or should do?

If you guys have any thoughts; I’m not sure if this is anything really serious or not either, and how bad it is vs. if my sister is just really worried but its more because she’s inexperienced and hasn’t had an orbiter like this before ever.

He may seem more threatening because he just has no social competenece at all maybe. Idk.



I was fucking stumped and just trying not to laugh as my sister told me all this (for like the 4th or t54th time) and show her that I take it seriously and try to think of things.

Only things I could think of but neither of them are practical were if my sister got a boyfriend right away who could then protect her and then show the guy that she;s taken and he should fuck off or not be around her as much anymore.

Or I could drive the 30 miles to his school and kick his ass and tell him to be sure he stays away from her (this one doesn’t work anymore now that I’m 21 probably lol).

But my sisters been going out less and afraid to go to any events or socialize anymore because this guy shows up to everything stares at her tries to talk to her more spend more time with her ask her all these questions etc.

He hasn’t ever even told her how he feels so that she could then go and tell him no I don’t feel the same way.

That’s what bugs her most about this and is especially why she is worried that this might end up something scary or violent or really bad or dangerous for her down the line. I don’t know how likely her concerns are but I don’t want to risk shit.

I want the best for her, and to give her advice that helps her out with this guy and any other idiots in the future. Something she’ll have to learn here likely.

Any practical help, helps thanks a lot guys!

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Chase

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Can you just meet him and put a firm hand on his shoulder and be like, "Hey dude, you need to cool it with my sister and go learn social skills. I'm sure you're a great guy but you have no idea how to interact with women and you're totally freaking her out. You won't make it better by spending more time around her, you just need to cut back, make more friends, learn how to act like a normal human being, and then eventually the right girl will come along like in those Bollywood movies you watch, but trust me, it ain't Liza. Cool?"

Chase
 

Rage

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I think I could possibly do that; the thing is my sisters schedule and my own schedule are both kind of busy and we are about 30 min apart.

Would this be the best thing to do chase you think, and is it important that I go and do that. Not any way that she could handle it herself or have a masculine guy friend say the same thing to the orbiter or something.

I'm willing to drive out there and do this, so I don't ask the above because of that. But I want to make sure that 1. It's the best solution/thing to do in this situation and 2. That if its something she can deal with and fix she be taught to do so and go and do so just so that also if she runs into this situation in the future with other guys she can better handle it and handle it herself.

Maybe this isn't something girls can or should have to handle themselves and is something that it's important for me to go and firmly tell this guy this. And if that's the case then that's what I should do and what I likely will do.


But it's just coincidence that my sister and I both happened to go to university near la. What if she were in school in east coast would the advice hold, or would something else have to be arranged.

Just some thoughts of mine; I hope that this isn't anything threatening or menacing rand that it can be fixed somoothly. If what you suggest is the best and or only way then that'll be my plan moving forward

Thanks

Rage
 

ray_zorse

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In my opinion she needs to deal with the orbiter herself, just by learning normal assertive behaviour like we teach on GC. If there's a problem, face up to it -- start by hardcore ignoring and denying eye contact, and if he persists say something like
I am willing to interact with you on the same basis as my other friends in this group, but that's all.
A bit later if he still persists say something like
Continually trying to get closer to me and start conversations is not what the other people in this group do, and it's not normal. Please stop.
And then the next stage would be like
I have asked you to stop pestering me and following me and you have not. I am not willing to interact with you on that basis.
And further interaction would be just hardcore ignoring and refusing to speak to him at all.

I'm at the 3rd stage with my current stalker at my kids' school, a deranged mum who has been sending me letters and trying to give me presents and trying to get access to me via various other friends (other mums or dads) and giving things to my kids and so forth. It's really embarrassing and has impacted my life e.g. her barging in when I'm about to invite my (male) friend for coffee, so I couldn't proceed as planned because he/she would have invited stalker along. Initially I really tried to be gentle, because I don't want to make enemies, but it got out of hand and I had to cut her off. I THINK she's stopped for now.

In between the above stages stages various stuff happened. For example she's sent me loads of text messages and I haven't responded. When approached in person I've refused any compliance (such as taking her gifts) and said like "Please do not follow me or try to give me things". With "Did you receive my text message" I lied "no" in a surprised tone. With "Can I speak to you" or "Would it be okay to catch up" I was like "I'm a bit busy right now" followed by calling my son and walking off. She followed us for some time trying to explain/excuse herself but I denied eye contact and eventually said "Please don't follow me around".

Anyway that's my experience, I hope it's helpful.

Ray
 

Bboy100

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Having been the guy who's been straight up rejected due to low perceived social value, I can tell you right now that she should firmly and directly express her disinterest. I'll admit that I've never resorted to creepy/stalkerish behavior like what this guy is doing. But the effects of being told straight up that a girl isn't interested is quite profound. Usually, when I run into a girl I like and she doesn't text me back, I ruminate and obessess over her a LOT more than if she directly tells me no. I can't really explain why this is. When a girl straight up says "no", my urge to chase her vanishes completely. I also stop thinking about her. Whereas, if she simply doesn't reply to my text, the urge to chase amplifies. I feel like this would probably be true for this guy as well.

Imagine these two possible responses your sister might have given him when she tried to express her disinterest:

1. Her: [In a nice/rapport seeking tone of voice] "Hey, I think you're a cool guy but I'm not really sure I'm that interested right now. [He gives her a look of sadness] But y'know...maybe someday!" <---This is just an example to illustrate my point. That's probably not what she said to him. But you did mention she's had a hard time telling him off. Whatever it is that she did say, it no doubt led him to believe (consciously or not) that he still has some sort of shot with her. Which in turn, causes him to chase even harder. And in his case, "chasing" manifests itself in creepy behavior like stalking.

2. Her: [In a firm/neutral voice] "Sorry dude. I'm not interested. Please leave me alone." <---This is a lot more final, and a lot less ambiguous.

To put this in GC terms: In case #1, her attainability is still high enough that he continues to pursue her. In case #2, her attainability is a lot more likely to drop low enough for him to go into auto-rejection and want to have nothing to do with her.
 

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I would have your sister text him something like:

I appreciate your honest interest and I am very flattered, but I also have to be honest with you. I don't have the same feelings for you, and I already have (or looking for) a boyfriend. I wish you all the best and please stop following me, it makes me very uncomfortable

Simply be honest and tell him n a nice way that she has no feelings for him. So that's first level.

Second level will be more confrontational, perhaps mentioning police or law: listen, I'm getting really afraid by you constantly following me. I don't know you at all and I don't know what to think about it. If I see you again I will have to go to the police to report this....

Third one, well, just contact the law officer, who knows what kind of freak is he and what is he planning...
 
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Rage

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Hey thanks a lot guys, really means a lot to me :)

Will sit down with my sister and discuss some of this, and what she thinks and what she should think about doing.

She is softer and nicer but I was thinking something along the lines of what you guys said that likely she'll have to be more vocal and aggressive about stating her disinterest and annoyance with all this

-rage
 
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