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This was one of the first time I have seen / heard someone use this AMOG tactic.

So the thing is I had hooked and talked to the girl for a bit more than 5 minutes.

Then a random guy comes in and starts talking to the girl (I don't engage the guy as that would be breaking circle and if the guy shuts me off it will be digging my own grave).

So I just get distracted and look into the distance (But I am hearing what they say).

The guy then starts Bullshitting this

"He seems so into you, you think he might be getting jealous we are talking? He looks so tensed"

I give a skeptical look and walk away telling the girl that it was "nice to meet her". (I did this because trying to teenage the girl after he said something like this could have confirmed the frame as me trying to get the girls attention).

How would you have tackled this AMOG?
 
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@Sully dude! That is a very manipulative AMOG, as stated reengaging the girl at this point can confirm his frame unless she's totally sold on you then this doesn't matter. The girl has broken circle and let this dude in, if she doesn't know him this isn't great though these dudes usually trip themselves up if you give them long enough.

The keys here is she's broken circle and you're about to eject to do a "takeaway" anyway though usually it's best to give an opening. You can work an opening to address him here, "I'm going to catch up with my friends, we might bump into each other later when you're not babysitting, enjoy your night" this frames his behaviour as childish and let's you do a takeaway.

Alternatively with this line be more direct and obvious, address the girl "I didn't realise you were babysitting. We'll catch up when you're done talking to the children, enjoy your night"

If you're more interested in taking down the AMOG, she's broken circle so all bets are off at this point, fuck him. Address the girl, "oh is this your boyfriend? He seems nice" use more "manipulative" tactics to set the frame on him. He's now a really nice guy coming to white knight her.

If you really want to, address him directly.
1) "Wow how insecure are you dude that you're watching me? I'm flattered but I don't go that way"
2) "wow dude how insecure? Talking from experience? Seen you walk over here all tense and jealous that I'm talking to her. Does she know you think she's your girlfriend? It's cute. Run along dude the grownups are talking"
3) "Haha wow, reverse psychology? Is that how you're chatting up girls now? I'm surprised you didn't use a cheesy chat up line"
4) "well played dude, did you get that line from a cereal box? It sounds like you were rehearsing it before you walked over here all jealous"

One of those lines will trip him up, I'd recommend the boyfriend line before the AMOG specific lines but I understand wanting to tool a prick like this
 

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This was one of the first time I have seen / heard someone use this AMOG tactic.

So the thing is I had hooked and talked to the girl for a bit more than 5 minutes.

Then a random guy comes in and starts talking to the girl (I don't engage the guy as that would be breaking circle and if the guy shuts me off it will be digging my own grave).

So I just get distracted and look into the distance (But I am hearing what they say).

The guy then starts Bullshitting this

"He seems so into you, you think he might be getting jealous we are talking? He looks so tensed"

I give a skeptical look and walk away telling the girl that it was "nice to meet her". (I did this because trying to teenage the girl after he said something like this could have confirmed the frame as me trying to get the girls attention).

How would you have tackled this AMOG?
wowow clearly that dude studies seduction, that was great by him, though, i totally don't like and have never like amog tactics, for me is dutchbaggery.... But that is me....... I would have said "dude you don't know me, stop projecting your own insecurities on to me, she is smart enough she can tell what you are doing" but what a scumbag, i hate dudes like that....By the way this is so unusual i don't think i have experienced such an incident...
 

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wowow clearly that dude studies seduction, that was great by him, though, i totally don't like and have never like amog tactics, for me is dutchbaggery
I rolled with some guys a couple years ago who used AMOGing as a primary tool. It was generally not very good to introduce them to girlfriends, family members because they had zero morality or code.

Some AMOGing tactics the used to use are.

1) each time a different guy would interrupt the conversation between a girl and a guy and try to frame the guy as chasing the girl. After repeatedly doing they said it will act like confirmation to the girl that the guy is actually chasing.

2) They would make "WTF face" at the girl and the guy, nonverbally trying to say "What is this girl doing with this loser?" repeatedly and laugh.

3) They would ask the girl if the guy she is talking to has been friendzoned in front of the guy.

4) They would "read bodylanguage" and imply to the girl that the guy is chasing the girl's friend. (This was to create a image that every guy over there has bad game and contrast himself and also give openings to his buddy to hit on the girls friend).
 

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I rolled with some guys a couple years ago who used AMOGing as a primary tool. It was generally not very good to introduce them to girlfriends, family members because they had zero morality or code.

Some AMOGing tactics the used to use are.

1) each time a different guy would interrupt the conversation between a girl and a guy and try to frame the guy as chasing the girl. After repeatedly doing they said it will act like confirmation to the girl that the guy is actually chasing.

2) They would make "WTF face" at the girl and the guy, nonverbally trying to say "What is this girl doing with this loser?" repeatedly and laugh.

3) They would ask the girl if the guy she is talking to has been friendzoned in front of the guy.

4) They would "read bodylanguage" and imply to the girl that the guy is chasing the girl's friend. (This was to create a image that every guy over there has bad game and contrast himself and also give openings to his buddy to hit on the girls friend).
Amog tactics are unecesary, they were develop in a peeiod when seducers were being bully and destroye by jogs when opening sets... is not necesary i like to earn groups.... with that being said every once in a blue it happens, and seducers get a lot of jealousy, i will link post later when i get home... that is also one of the benefits of hitting the gym and learning martial arts... again i like more earning groups as superior tecnique, but learning fast come backs, witts, trolling can help at times if needed...
 

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This was one of the first time I have seen / heard someone use this AMOG tactic.

So the thing is I had hooked and talked to the girl for a bit more than 5 minutes.

Then a random guy comes in and starts talking to the girl (I don't engage the guy as that would be breaking circle and if the guy shuts me off it will be digging my own grave).

So I just get distracted and look into the distance (But I am hearing what they say).

The guy then starts Bullshitting this

"He seems so into you, you think he might be getting jealous we are talking? He looks so tensed"

I give a skeptical look and walk away telling the girl that it was "nice to meet her". (I did this because trying to teenage the girl after he said something like this could have confirmed the frame as me trying to get the girls attention).

How would you have tackled this AMOG?
Go to gym, get buffed, do some contact sports and you ll never ask yourself that question again.

As a line you could say something like "of course I m into her, but you know what? I m wondering why those girls rejected you earlier? With her will be different? " And maybe left, or stay there, impenetrable. This must be calibrated af. It s not really about you say, but about your frame vs his frame.

You re focusing on the wrong things. And it s not first time you do this, it s the n thread you open here, asking for the same thing, but you don t seem to read the replies you get.

You could get the perfect answer here, but until you work on your inner game and core beliefs, they ll not work.
 

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well played dude, did you get that line from a cereal box? It sounds like you were rehearsing it before you walked over here all jealous
If you can pull this off with unfazed frame you will really fuck him up lol.
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But this tactic of the dude is really insidious, imagine the girl buying in his frame. I think in that case doing the :
I didn't realise you were babysitting. We'll catch up when you're done talking to the children, enjoy your night
so kinda depends on what the actual fuck is happening here.

Also:

but until you work on your inner game and core beliefs, they ll not work.
Definitely agreed. I can imagine me pulling the dude on his shoulder looking at him straight up and just asking "I'm sorry, what?"

Gtfo lol
 

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The key for me here is
1) Not to go passive in relation to him.
2) To maintain a good position for eye contact w her.

W. guys like that i like to lean back and just let them clown around - sending out im chill or on top of the world type vibes. Sorta leaning back - ok play your hand..

that said actually my attention is on her not him. hes just... vapor.

As he moves in im softly, looking at her seductively creating its on moments and being very attuned to a more intimate soft connection.. letting it sizzle..

Sometimes they move in front of me excluding me - here i eye ball with the girl about his rudeness, playfully which makes us against him sorta connection. or play peekaboh w her behind him to the various sides of his back.

With good timing after leaning back and doing eye work i relockin in a sorta momentum and selfdepreciate "yeah im so into her, and so jelaous i cramp up like a nervous wreck not even sure how to handle her" and smoothly take the girls hand and run away w her physically. Or i just continue to roll of rockstar like. the girls always gravitate towards me in this.

i faceplay with her too along it if i need to drain time or jiggle him. i time it so that his points are broken. Mostly they have no clue whats going on. some turn more agressive, some perplexed.

i use this to steal girls too btw. Roll in and make her feel shit from my presence and tension skills.

What happens is that he tryes to be alpha smart but i make her feel its on, sensual connection and a relaxedness-laugh in relation to him as a tryhard = i play on different channels vs the usual verbal stuff. and it hijacks her. Not just one level but several. This is way smoother than 99% of guys connection with women.

Above needs some adjustment of the pieces to each situation. But it is my go to model using these various tactics.

but the thing is NOT to go passive in relation to him. Shift gears. Shift where youre communicating. focus on her and her reactions. Work her from the distance. If youre in set just stay in and selfdepreciate or play the exluded with her doing eye ball stuff (normally a girl2girl trick).
 
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@Sully,

Assuming you have decent rapport with the girl, here is what I have done in these situations...

Lean in real close to the girl, grin, and whisper in an amused voice so that only she can hear: "He's trying pretty hard to get you, huh?"

If the rapport is good and she likes you at least a bit, she will laugh and agree. The guy will see you laughing and whispering to her, and her laughing and agreeing with you, but he will have no idea what you said to her, he will just know whatever it was it was some kind of joke at his expense and that she is laughing at him.

You can then go back to ignoring him for a bit, and let him keep trying to talk to her, but he is going to be self-conscious now, not knowing what was said. If he doesn't take a hike, another minute or two later you can lean back into her again and say, "So are you about ready to run off and get married to this guy now? Seems like his game's working pretty well, right?" and the girl is almost always going to start laughing and loudly saying "Nooooo nooo!"

The guy has no idea what you are saying but he is feeling super tooled now.

It's really a niche tactic though. If your rapport is stronger (it should be) you should really just be pulling the girl aside and boxing out the guy, so he is forced to keep having to intrude into the circle, chasing harder every time, if he wants to keep talking to her.

If the guy came in too early though and your rapport isn't at that point yet, you can use the "whisper stuff about him in her ears" tactic to neutralize him. He will have no idea what you're saying, so can't counter it; all he knows is you and the girl are whispering about him and laughing. Makes even the ballsiest AMOG feel small.

If your rapport with the girl is not great, and you do not want to leave the girl, you will need to go for the direct confrontation... of course in that case it is a cockfight and there's no guarantee the girl is going to care who the winner is. I had a few times as a beginner when I got into an AMOG battle with some guy and then at some point we both looked around and realized the girls had wandered off, lol.

The other alternative is, if your rapport is so weak you can't even pull her away from a guy who came in and started talking to her, might as well just tell her you're going to go poke around a bit, go meet some other girls, then circle back to her later once the guy has wandered off, assuming he does. This is my preference usually for weak-rapport-other-dude-competing scenarios. There are plenty of other fish in the sea... and if not, you can always try again with her once she's alone a little later on.

Chase
 

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I have to disagree with confidence or any real violent ability warding this sort of thing off.

When I was younger, in smaller towns and such, just having some extra muscle, dressing to show it, looking guys firm in the eye if they came around etc I never got this sure.

When you get into venues in major cities where you want to dress for cool, or fashion etc, you're gonna get sized up by guys who are 6'3'' 240lbs solid, who probably have training themselves. You might get guys who are 5'2'' 110 lbs who were born and raised in fuckin Dubai and have never been punched in the face before, they have no concept that someone could even for a minor "slight" just start beating on them.

Even if you really ARE the cliche tough guy talk of "really don't know who you're fucking with" carrying a weapon, guys who run game like this half the time don't even look you in the eye to maybe see some danger, they sum up the situation and just start acting on it assuming you are no danger.

They always say an "ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure", this is one case where it isn't. So...

The Cure

You use chick stuff:

It's almost always loud in the venues guys will do this in, so whatever he says go:

"WHAT!?" kind of annoyed squinting eyes like "I didn't hear you"

As he's in middle of repeating what he said like a tool (already losing confidence) interrupt him:

"Why are you talking to us?"

Seen guys turn red with embarrassment from this alone. It's such a trigger for players and PUA etc getting that line from a set or mixed group.

It also implies to her that it is "US" and he is the outlier, triggers a response in her of "yeah who are you why are you interrupting"

It also makes him question if the two of you are a couple and he misread.

Then as he's explaining himself look over at her without eye rolling or anything to overtly be insulting, but kind of "sad for this terd" vibe and interrupt him again....

"hey it was nice to meet you, we are gonna get back to our night out, enjoy your night" and raise hand in a friendly wave.

Again implying you just might be a couple, or know each other without overtly saying it to be challenged by her etc,

Simple as that, sequence I use on almost any interrupter. If they're drunk and wont go away or get shitty or anything I'll say "hey where is security" and start looking around, Even if they didn't threaten or get tough or rude or anything it puts them on alert that you ain't gonna play their game, scares them they might be burning the venue for themselves, and frames them so poorly to the chick as a bothersome person they always bail out. You usually have to re-hook if you threaten with security, but it gets rid of the guy in a socially intelligent manner in her eyes, vs threating him, or verbally sparring with some young jabroni.

MOST bail on the interrupt and "why are you talking to us?" because they don't have a canned reply to it. Most men they do this to never respond with that, and the chick wants to see you play it out scenario wise so she won't say it, unless you really are together.

Of course if it's just a run of the mill barfly or drunk or something, not someone using verbal tech, just a true interrupter, not someone trying to be competitive i'll just:

Get between him and the target with my back to him.

Eye code her with a little eye roll he can't see (again not looking to start shit) and put my hands on her arms and lead her away.

It's a class move and again implies the two of you are together.

If the guys true trying to "amog" (more should say "show dominance") though, it might not be straight tech, there could be some real aggression there in the guy, so best to keep an eye on the motherfucker and not attempt to lead her away like that. HE needs to go away.



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Has anyone ever been AMOGed doing daygame?
I actually have daygamed with some guys who used to do AMOGing guy even in daygame.
I will put up a post on the tactics and lines they used soon.
(They were very malicious people who I had to cut out of my life, if I now see a guy who tries to go AMOG others, it's a red flag to maintain distance from him)

It will be a good resource and will prepare you for the worst.
 

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I actually have daygamed with some guys who used to do AMOGing guy even in daygame.
I will put up a post on the tactics and lines they used soon.
(They were very malicious people who I had to cut out of my life, if I now see a guy who tries to go AMOG others, it's a red flag to maintain distance from him)

It will be a good resource and will prepare you for the worst.
As I had promised, here is the list of ways the guys I went out with used to AMOG.

1) Interrupting whenever the guy starts saying some DHV story and insert their own DHV then ask the guy for his.

2) Giving unsolicited advice to a guy to make it look like you are the authority.

3) Framing the guy as a provider to the girl by saying how he will carry her bags for her, buy roses, help her meet other guys, etc.

4) Saying things like “What? No way”, “I don’t believe you”, “Why are you lying bro?” Whenever the other guy DHV’s.

5) Saying “He seems to like you a lot”, “When is the honeymoon guys?”
“He thinks he is your boyfriend, he is so adorable”

(Basically imply the guy is chasing her)

6) Tell how its obvious the girl likes submissive men because she is talking to the other guy.

7) Try imitating the guy without him knowing in an exaggerated way to tool him.

8) Advice the guy on how to hit on the girl in front of the girl.

9) Push the girl onto the guy and laugh.

10) Give fake encouragement saying
“You are doing great man better than the last time the other girl rejected you”.

“Its ok bro you will get her soon, one thing a women loves is a guy who never lets go”


11) Tell the guy “it’s ok bro the other only told good things about you”
(Basically implying the other guy is butthurt)

12) ask questions like “Are you tired/nervous/drunk ?”

13) During conversation egg the girl on to shit on guys of a particular nationality and then differentiate yourself by telling her what she needs (Based on the negative qualities she told about other guys)

Ex :-
What do you think of Polish/Bulgarian/etc guys? (Most likely the girl will complain)

14) Ask if her guy friends will get jealous if you talk to her.
(Now if any other guy tries to come in it will create an image that he is jealous).

15) Ask “is he your boyfriend?”, “I know you are a couple based on how this guy looks at you”

16) Create an open loop whenever the guy asks a question by responding such as "it's complicated", " Depends", etc. (The more he continues to push the more he seems in a chasing position)

Ex :- Him :- Where are you from? / What do you do?
You :- It's complicated. / Promise me you are not going to judge. / I will tell you some other time.



These are very insidious and will work most of the time unless the other guy knows how to handle it (which is very rare).

I don’t support using these AMOG tricks, just comes across as negative.

You can watch out for guys like this and keep them at bay. Also you can think up responses so that you won’t be caught offguard.
 
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As I had promised, here is the list of ways the guys I went out with used to AMOG.

1) Interrupting whenever the guy starts saying some DHV story and insert their own DHV then ask the guy for his.

2) Giving unsolicited advice to a guy to make it look like you are the authority.

3) Framing the guy as a provider to the girl by saying how he will carry her bags for her, buy roses, help her meet other guys, etc.

4) Saying things like “What? No way”, “I don’t believe you”, “Why are you lying bro?” Whenever the other guy DHV’s.

5) Saying “He seems to like you a lot”, “When is the honeymoon guys?”
“He thinks he is your boyfriend, he is so adorable”

(Basically imply the guy is chasing her)

6) Tell how its obvious the girl likes submissive men because she is talking to the other guy.

7) Try imitating the guy without him knowing in an exaggerated way to tool him.

8) Advice the guy on how to hit on the girl in front of the girl.

9) Push the girl onto the guy and laugh.

10) Give fake encouragement saying
“You are doing great man better than the last time the other girl rejected you”.

“Its ok bro you will get her soon, one thing a women loves is a guy who never lets go”


11) Tell the guy “it’s ok bro the other only told good things about you”
(Basically implying the other guy is butthurt)

12) ask questions like “Are you tired/nervous/drunk ?”

13) During conversation egg the girl on to shit on guys of a particular nationality and then differentiate yourself by telling her what she needs (Based on the negative qualities she told about other guys)

Ex :-
What do you think of Polish/Bulgarian/etc guys? (Most likely the girl will complain)

14) Ask if her guy friends will get jealous if you talk to her.
(Now if any other guy tries to come in it will create an image that he is jealous).

15) Ask “is he your boyfriend?”, “I know you are a couple based on how this guy looks at you”

16) Create an open loop whenever the guy asks a question by responding such as "it's complicated", " Depends", etc. (The more he continues to push the more he seems in a chasing position)

Ex :- Him :- Where are you from? / What do you do?
You :- It's complicated. / Promise me you are not going to judge. / I will tell you some other time.



These are very insidious and will work most of the time unless the other guy knows how to handle it (which is very rare).

I don’t support using these AMOG tricks, just comes across as negative.

You can watch out for guys like this and keep them at bay. Also you can think up responses so that you won’t be caught offguard.
Have you guys encountered any of these? Any ideas on how you would respond. Especially when you haven't been in the interaction long enough.
 

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It's almost always loud in the venues guys will do this in, so whatever he says go:

"WHAT!?" kind of annoyed squinting eyes like "I didn't hear you"

As he's in middle of repeating what he said like a tool (already losing confidence) interrupt him:

"Why are you talking to us?"

This is the best and easiest way to amog any tough guy - getting them to repeat themselves.

It always works, even for guys that are squaring you up for a fight.

Case in point: Two guys tried squaring up with me in the gym about a month ago. I just said, “Huh?” To what they said. They tried repeating themselves and I interrupted them with a “huh?” again and it immediately crumpled their confidence, and they turned around and headed in the other direction. Massive roided out guy, just deflated.

Where it works best:
The telling them you didn’t hear or just acting it, works best if there’s:
1. abit of music/sounds/noise/distractions in the shared environment or
2. there’s at least a little bit of distance between you two

Combatting this technique:
However, I have had this technique (of saying or implying they can’t hear me) used to AMOG me a number of times when I was younger, usually by older and more experienced guys while I’m out at clubs, parties or festivales here in Australia.

Here’s how I combat it when guys do this me:
When they do the, “I can’t hear you” or “Huh”
You respond with the exact same, interrupt whatever their response is with a relaxed but loud “huh”.

The interruption + the same technique used back on them will turn the tables on their amog or just genuinely confuse them.

Interrupting/Ignoring

One of the best techniques that I haven’t really seen mentioned is also one of the simplest.

If a guy comes over and starts trying to amog you and you can’t reasonably use the above technique because:
1. It’s fairly quiet & not alot of noise/sounds in the environment because it’s the smoking area, or some other daytime event, etc.
2. You’re fairly close to each other


Amog them here by simply:

1. Interrupting whatever they’re saying, keeping firm eye contact with the girl you’re seducing and raising the volume of your voice in a comfortable and relaxed way that drowns out whatever amog is saying. Do it with a slight smirk or smile like you’re having fun.

2. Continue the conversation you were already having with the girl with a strong and calm frame like the amog never interrupted or existed and make it feel like abit of fun, like she’s in on you - a subtle ‘Us Vs. The World’ frame. And you both can have a laugh about it later.

It should be noted, that when you raise your voice - it should be imperceptably louder and remain cool, calm, relaxed and fun and shouldn’t have any tone of frustration, strain, annoyance, anger, spite or being in any way despairing or butthurt. Just chill

Just rinse + repeat if they start trying to talk again. It’s the most relaxed and dominant thing you can do in a quiet, relaxed environment.

Why would you let some strange dude say a whole sentence to a girl you’re talking to who’s trying to amog you?
This is just shutting it down quickly and calmly before any amoging really begins.

Usually guys just slink away defeated and dejected and usually leave the venue or area shortly after this is done.

If that doesn’t work for whatever reason (it should!), then I think Chase’s ‘Whispering in her ear & laughing with her’ technique is the last nuclear option that should work.
You also have a natural segue or lead-in to the ear whispering from when he continues talking when you’ve interrupted him and he keeps going and everything gets too difficult to hear.

I think the ‘Whispering in the ear’ is great tech for guys trying to amog you with fuckbuddies/plates you’re with, but I have rarely used this because I don’t go out to publicly crowded social places with fuckbuddies that much.

Picking her up & Moving her

Another fun one that I’ve done, and a few of my friends have done when a guy comes over and approaches is:

Pick her up in a bear hug like way, and walk her further away and out of earshot or out of sight/or both of the guy in question. Do it in a fun way with a big smile on your face and give her a cheek kiss when you put her back down, but that’s my style - optional for you guys.

Then the guy can’t really do anything, looks silly, impotent and powerless and you look dominant, masculine and fun for taking control.
If the guys starting moving towards where she is, he’s already lost frame and you can just do it again and he looks even worse, like he’s chasing.
This is good for really really loud environments, as opposed to the above.

The interruption + not hearing technique is used to perfection throughout the Tv series ‘Shoresy’ by the main character, a compilation:

 
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