Hit a pleateu - need advice

[Toby2030]

I'm getting a level right now where I feel pretty stuck. I have gamed now for just over 3 years going from a virgin to being able to pull 7,5-8s more or less every night I go out. I want to take the next step up on the quality, and start gaming 8,5-9s but I'm having trouble identifying where I really can improve. I've been on a lot of different forums, watched and implemented a lot of different structures, and recently felt over this forum where it seems a lot of you have a different approach than what I have, which is nice.

In my experience, my fundamentals are in place. When I game 8,5+ I face more resistance. It's a problem for me to get girls sucked into my world as I can with most of 8s that I game. I work a lot on rewarding being carefree, spontaneous and open about sex both conversational and sexual partners, and simultaneously escalate the vibe towards increasing sexual tension. I would probably say my escalation and pulling skills are my strongest tools, without coming off as pushy.

Which epiphanies helped you get through a plateau getting to the next level in quality? and what would you say I should more even more on? I know it's hard to give great advice over a forum, but I just hope I can get in the right direction.

 

[JacobPalmer]

To start, and I've said this in other posts before as well, things are much easier when trying to get a 10 if you are a 10. So when you say your fundamentals are in check what does that mean, and is there room for improvement?

1. Are you muscular and have 5% body fat?
2. Do you have a killer smile with straight, white teeth?
3. Are you one stylish mutherfucker?
4. Is your haircut trendy?
5. Is your posture and movements sleek and controlled, and near perfect?

Because this is what you're after, a girl with basically all the above attributes.

Now to answer the epiphany part. I actually do have one, and one that I learned somewhat recently actually. It's basically to have a "high value" mentality, which boils down to a few things.

1. Being outcome independent/abundance mentality. Helps tons, but it really only stuck for me when I heard this quote from Dan Bilzerian, who says, "They can stay if they want to stay, and leave if they want to leave."
2. Be warm but do not expect warmness in return.
3. I started being more intriguing and less funny/cocky/entertaining. This one was huge actually, I was way too much of an entertainer and it killed the sexual attraction.

Hope this was useful!

 

[Toby2030]

To start, and I've said this in other posts before as well, things are much easier when trying to get a 10 if you are a 10. So when you say your fundamentals are in check what does that mean, and is there room for improvement?

1. Are you muscular and have 5% body fat?
2. Do you have a killer smile with straight, white teeth?
3. Are you one stylish mutherfucker?
4. Is your haircut trendy?
5. Is your posture and movements sleek and controlled, and near perfect?

Because this is what you're after, a girl with basically all the above attributes.

Now to answer the epiphany part. I actually do have one, and one that I learned somewhat recently actually. It's basically to have a "high value" mentality, which boils down to a few things.

1. Being outcome independent/abundance mentality. Helps tons, but it really only stuck for me when I heard this quote from Dan Bilzerian, who says, "They can stay if they want to stay, and leave if they want to leave."
2. Be warm but do not expect warmness in return.
3. I started being more intriguing and less funny/cocky/entertaining. This one was huge actually, I was way too much of an entertainer and it killed the sexual attraction.

Hope this was useful!

Thanks for your reply!

1. I'm muscular, not 5% body fat but that's not needed.
2. My teeth are fine
3. My style is over average
4. Yes.
5. I would say yes.

Outcome independence was one of the first concepts I got hammered into me, and switching from cocky/funny to intriguing also gave my game a huge boost when I did that. I'm much more down to earth and normal now than what I was when I started out approx. 3 years ago.

What seems to be my sticking point is to really create the sexual bubble and allowance from her side to build strong sexual tension. I've been working on implementing more sex talk, more focus on making her chase, and breaking my escalation down to even smaller moves, making it more subtle. I just still have this sticking point with girls of really high caliber. With other girls, no problem at all. The funny thing is, that my sexual bubble usually is my strongest weapon. A lot of the girls I see fall in love with me but I just can't create that bubble with really high caliber girls.

 

[JacobPalmer]

Part of this may be an inner game thing for you then. Do you think you deserve the hotter girls? Or do you think they are "better" than you?

 

[naturalmikey]

Push em away. That’s what the hottest girls want. Get them qualifying themselves.

 

[Fuck This]

I'm going to say get a regular girl as your main girl. A repeatable Fuck Buddy. Someone you know you can have sex with at a moment's notice. She won't be your hottest, but she will be a SURE THING. Establish early on that you are doing the Polyamorous thing. Knowing that you have a sure thing to get laid in the next 24 hours, then engage the upper level women. You will have a better Outcome Independance, and you will look at what you consider a "10" with a more critical eye.

From my experience you will start to see past the surface beauty and find more personality flaws at first glance when you are reliably getting your dick wet....

 

[Toby2030]

I'm going to say get a regular girl as your main girl. A repeatable Fuck Buddy. Someone you know you can have sex with at a moment's notice. She won't be your hottest, but she will be a SURE THING. Establish early on that you are doing the Polyamorous thing. Knowing that you have a sure thing to get laid in the next 24 hours, then engage the upper level women. You will have a better Outcome Independance, and you will look at what you consider a "10" with a more critical eye.

From my experience you will start to see past the surface beauty and find more personality flaws at first glance when you are reliably getting your dick wet....

I already have 2 fuckbuddies, and I feel that I'm pretty outcome independent. I know it's hard to detect over a forum but I may have some kind of fundamental mistake that need to get fixed. I just about figuring out what it is.

 

[Pitcher]

I can't give you advice about how to consistently pull 9s & 10s from personal experience because I'm not there yet with my own game.

However, I think this GC article could be valuable for you: https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-master-transition-phases-and-be-smooth-women

What transition phases are you losing the 9s & 10s at? Getting them to hook? Getting their contact info? Getting them back to your place? Or getting your P in their V? Or all of the above?

Once you know which spot you have the most room for improvement in, then it will be easier to pay closer attention to what you're doing differently when you're gaming a 9/10 vs. 6/7/8.

 

[Overdoze]

i get the sense youve hit the plateu where you need to shift into a new paradigm

the current way you do things are all action oriented

i do
i do
i do
(your LR)

you got somewhat decent fundamentals, and you can attract and sexualise things.

but

its only applied tricks and tips of PU and youve developed a step by step model that works, learned to do some things at the right times etc. And KUDOS for getting there. i respect the work you put into things here. well done!

the next level is actual seduction

For that you need to improve on some key points - main thing is to get into her head, her emotions, start understanding her more. Youre not just doing thing to her. youre doing things w her. For that you need to know women. thatll help you form your techs more refinedly. shift into sensing more etc. here you turn into a sniper and your quality will go up. Yull learn when and how to use the techs - yll see tha at refining them is a key.

Also - an example in your LR from the tasting shows that youve not really understood guns techs ( like at all). So you might be thinking youve learned other techs too but you havent really. Just for your own awareness. If you dig into Guns techs and thinking alot more you can gets some of the most powerful tools to get to the next level. Theyre much deeper and powerful than what your perceiving as is. But the key is that you need to apply them under a different mindset. And further develop these beyond what he provides in his product so its not just tools. but its tools you can adapt to the girls based on her responses cause you know her/whats going in her. And you can enjoy it much more.

its sorta next level of things, a deeper level - more what we call "inside game"

 

[Toby2030]

I can't give you advice about how to consistently pull 9s & 10s from personal experience because I'm not there yet with my own game.

However, I think this GC article could be valuable for you: https://www.girlschase.com/content/how- ... ooth-women

What transition phases are you losing the 9s & 10s at? Getting them to hook? Getting their contact info? Getting them back to your place? Or getting your P in their V? Or all of the above?

Once you know which spot you have the most room for improvement in, then it will be easier to pay closer attention to what you're doing differently when you're gaming a 9/10 vs. 6/7/8.

I can easily get their attention, and hook. Normal sexualization is also easy but it isn't really hitting them. They don't get that horny and won't allow me to pull. I'll check that article out, thanks!

i get the sense youve hit the plateu where you need to shift into a new paradigm

the current way you do things are all action oriented

i do
i do
i do
(your LR)

you got somewhat decent fundamentals, and you can attract and sexualise things.

but

its only applied tricks and tips of PU and youve developed a step by step model that works, learned to do some things at the right times etc. And KUDOS for getting there. i respect the work you put into things here. well done!

the next level is actual seduction

For that you need to improve on some key points - main thing is to get into her head, her emotions, start understanding her more. Youre not just doing thing to her. youre doing things w her. For that you need to know women. thatll help you form your techs more refinedly. shift into sensing more etc. here you turn into a sniper and your quality will go up. Yull learn when and how to use the techs - yll see tha at refining them is a key.

Also - an example in your LR from the tasting shows that youve not really understood guns techs ( like at all). So you might be thinking youve learned other techs too but you havent really. Just for your own awareness. If you dig into Guns techs and thinking alot more you can gets some of the most powerful tools to get to the next level. Theyre much deeper and powerful than what your perceiving as is. But the key is that you need to apply them under a different mindset. And further develop these beyond what he provides in his product so its not just tools. but its tools you can adapt to the girls based on her responses cause you know her/whats going in her. And you can enjoy it much more.

its sorta next level of things, a deeper level - more what we call "inside game"

I think you might be in the right direction here, thanks! I can understand I really fucked up with Gunwitch's material. I'm gonna rewatch it all again. I understand the direction you want me to go. Making my pickups more a thing about building the vibe together and on each other, trying to understand the human being underneath the skin. I'll watch his Seduction MMA again, and try to field test his concepts, and write a couple of FRs on it. Thanks.

 

[naturalmikey]

seduction mma is my third favorite program and essential in my opinion. but if you want the hotter girls check out swinggcat's foundations for generating attraction and sexual connections.