how do i get dumb women?

[Ree]

hey....recetly realised that all the galz i get are smart,intersting ambitous fly women......well...whats the problem u ask?
the problem is there arent so many of them.....i usually have to make so many approaches before i find one(like ten approaches )....
whenever i approach the dritzy party gal dancing in the club..the aprroach always stalls and fails.....day game hired guns.....people in school only coz their parents made them go.... always fails.....the only women i get...r writers,philosophers,over achievers....lol...
.is this a problem with my game?......or is it just how it is ?
to help u...help me troubleshoot ...let me give yu my process

approach...repartee....move....rapport(really low energy and cool)

 

[Dude909]

First, Why would you even want dumb chicks, if you can get smart ones? It's like asking how to get smelly girls when you already have nice smelling ones.

Second, in my experience (which is more from online), what seems to be dumb chicks are actually *uninterested* chicks. When they're interested they make some effort to get a convo going, no matter how smart/dumb you think they may be.

 

[snipefield]

Hey Ree,

Your post resonates with me. What I'm hearing is that you want to be able to expand to dumb women because there are more of them? Are there any other reasons?

I basically have the same issue as you. It's harder for me to hook a girl through meaningless banter and pure "energy". In my case, I want to expand to the "dumb" girls because the smarter girls on average tend to be more sexually reserved. While in the longer term, when I settle down, I don't think a "dumb" girl will cut it, I do want to experience all of what life has to offer.

If you really want the answer to your question, post detailed field reports. It is impossible for someone to troubleshoot your process with a 30,000 foot overview of "approach...repartee...move....rapport".

In my case, my problem is that I don't focus enough on the energy of the interaction and am still putting too much effort into making sense. This takes my mind off of non-verbals and vibe. In a nutshell, fundamentals and being too in my head are the main issues.

I'd like you to find the answer to your question. I'm sure I could learn something from it. Good luck and keep on grinding!

 

[Ree]

First, Why would you even want dumb chicks, if you can get smart ones? It's like asking how to get smelly girls when you already have nice smelling ones.
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lol....snipefield breaks it down.....in a typical clubor street (i dont know anything about online) ...smart driven confident chics are rare...the "dumb"(students,hired guns,free spirits,no plan,living life everyday as it comes)are the majority....snipefield is right in that when looking for a girlfriend i dont want dumb women....but hey....im not looking for a girlfreind in the club now.im i?
i can only attract biochemists and film producers ...but the club isnt full of them is it?...its full of models,waitreses,air hosteses,students...etc....so i need to know how to game the type of woman who the only thing she has going on for her is looks

 

[Ree]

If you really want the answer to your question, post detailed field reports. It is impossible for someone to troubleshoot your process with a 30,000 foot overview of "approach...repartee...move....rapport".

In my case, my problem is that I don't focus enough on the energy of the interaction and am still putting too much effort into making sense. This takes my mind off of non-verbals and vibe. In a nutshell, fundamentals and being too in my head are the main issues.

hey...ur right...il post a detailed field report
something else tho....when u say fundamentals...do u mean they are too tight or u havent worked on them enough?
because sometimes( when wearing a blazer) i fail with all but the highest caliber women....is there such a thing as having fundamentals that are too tight?

 

[snipefield]

Hey Ree,

From what I understand about fundamentals (and please correct me more experienced guys if I'm off), they are by definition the bedrock of game. So, no, there is no such thing as fundamentals that are too "perfect".

So for me, lacking in fundamentals means that I let some of them slip. For example, my voice will not be dominant enough, my eye contact will not be direct enough, my smile will not be "smirky" enough, my movements will be too jerky. These are all little things but together they add up and make a tremendous impact.

Look forward to a report Ree.

 

[Smith]

How do you know they're dumb when you've just met them? Do you know their GPA?

 

[Ree]

....what seems to be dumb chicks are actually *uninterested* chicks. When they're interested they make some effort to get a convo going, no matter how smart/dumb you think they may be.

Ree,

This right here. While no doubt there are some dumb girls out there. Most girls you're probably classifying as this are incredibly smart. What you're telling me is that there's a large subset of girls who are not interested in you for one reason or another. why don't you look in yourself as to what might be making them turned off. Don't say it's because I wear a blazer and I am too smart. That just means your coming off arrogantly and not very fun. Intelligence is nearly impossible to tell from social interaction. Don't blame the girl for you not being able to get her.

Radeng

lol...radeng i respect u too much to get involved in a flame war with u....

first...in my post i clearly state that i am looking for a way to get this subset of women.....there is no place where i have blamed the girl for my not being able to get her...

.second.....the point of this post is not how smart or dumb women are,...this is not a rant from a bitter man.......its a question....
.lets not lose sight of the ball here mateyz....i think they r dumb....but wether they r smart or dumb is really irelevant..

what would u advise i do to get this large subset of women?

 

[Ree]

How do you know they're dumb when you've just met them? Do you know their GPA?

hehhehe...i dont even know what a GPA is?(maybe im the dumb one...lol)...anyway i think i do know what the problem here is ....
u think im using dumb as an insult..when im actually using it as a description...u envision a bitter hurt man hurling insults,wanting to hurt the women who have hurt him.....lol...wipe away that picture freind...replace it with a picture of a scientist...eager to discover why his formulas appeal to only a small select section of the women population ..though i will stay away from loaded wordz in the future...

how do i know theyre dumb if i just met them?
because we talk....then i get to know them...

let me just give u a description of what i mean by dumb girl...its more a lifestyle thing than an iq thing

dumb girl characteristics

1.usually very active on social media
2.usually changes whatsapp statuses and profile pics very frequantly
3.have no hobbies,apart from watching movie and series
4.have never read anything that they werent forced to read in school(no novels or even magazines)
5.likes to travel in packs
6.takes each day as it comes...has no dreams..the course they do in school is usually a course that they were forced to take by a parent
7.if they r working they are usually a waitress,a model(not a succesful one,coz to be a succesful model takes ambition)...a hired gun....or a job they got from either a relative or a boyfreind(or an orbiter who wanted to impress her by getting her a job)

the list goes on but...i think u know the type of girl im describing....names are jsut semantics...label her however u want...just tell me how to get her

 

[Ree]

Hey Ree,

From what I understand about fundamentals (and please correct me more experienced guys if I'm off), they are by definition the bedrock of game. So, no, there is no such thing as fundamentals that are too "perfect".



Look forward to a report Ree.

i dont know if im more experienced...but i will beg to differ.....how it works with me is...its kind of like a bracket....the better my fundamentals are,the higher quality woman i can get,but also ...some low quality women now become inaccesible......when i lower them...i cant get the flyest women ....but i can now get some low quality ones that were previously inaccesible...i can wear a blazer(hahah..radeng dont hate on my blazer man)....and get fl women,but not cute women....i can then wear just tshirt and jeans ..then get cute women...but the fly ones are now out of my reach..i.dont know about ur experiences with this tho.....what im trying to find is a tactic to get low class women despite keeping my fundamentals sharp in the event that rare high class woman comes along.... ...hence my post...how do i get these dumb bitches?.....hheheheh

 

[Bboy100]

Assuming you've troubleshooted the issue correctly and their lack of intelligence really is the problem,

It sounds like you might be of above average intelligence. Statistically speaking, people relate to and pair up with people near their intelligence level. If you're of above average intelligence, its going to be very difficult for you to talk to "dumb" girls (the majority of which are actually probably average intelligence). Its like how a 60 year old experienced business owner would probably have a difficult time relating to a freshman in college...their life experiences are totally different and their values, beliefs, and so fourth lie in different places. Because of this, finding common ground and relating is difficult.

That's not to say its impossible. But it probably just means you have to improve your conversation skills as a whole to a higher level. In other words...keep doing approaches and focusing specifically on conversation and connection building. And you'll eventually get there.

1.usually very active on social media
2.usually changes whatsapp statuses and profile pics very frequantly
3.have no hobbies,apart from watching movie and series
4.have never read anything that they werent forced to read in school(no novels or even magazines)
5.likes to travel in packs.
6.takes each day as it comes...has no dreams..the course they do in school is usually a course that they were forced to take by a parent
7.if they r working they are usually a waitress,a model(not a succesful one,coz to be a succesful model takes ambition)...a hired gun....or a job they got from either a relative or a boyfreind(or an orbiter who wanted to impress her by getting her a job)

Also worth considering:
1-4 are just mostly true of younger girls. My generation hasn't really been taught the value of reading. And we just grew up with social media. <----Not saying these things are good. Just stating that that's how it is.
5. I feel this is just true of most people. Especially girls. Cause many of them have had experiances of being stalked/feeling physically unsafe by themselves.
6-7 Same as 1-4. Younger people usually lack direction in life. I know VERY few people my age who are not like this.

So I think your real question might be: How do I relate to young girls? Which is an entirely different and unrelated topic.

 

[Smith]

dumb girl characteristics

1.usually very active on social media
2.usually changes whatsapp statuses and profile pics very frequantly
3.have no hobbies,apart from watching movie and series
4.have never read anything that they werent forced to read in school(no novels or even magazines)
5.likes to travel in packs
6.takes each day as it comes...has no dreams..the course they do in school is usually a course that they were forced to take by a parent
7.if they r working they are usually a waitress,a model(not a succesful one,coz to be a succesful model takes ambition)...a hired gun....or a job they got from either a relative or a boyfreind(or an orbiter who wanted to impress her by getting her a job)

the list goes on but...i think u know the type of girl im describing....names are jsut semantics...label her however u want...just tell me how to get he

lol I know exactly what u mean buddy. and no... some people are just dumb. There's no doubt about that. Like BBoy said, I assume the girls you're talking about are 18-20. You seduce them the same way you seduce any girl...Qualifying, sex talk, eye contact, voice, sensual touch.
You probably can't relate to them because your beliefs and lifestyle is more goal-oriented.

You probably already know this, but find out what they're interested in with an open question (so what do you like to do?), then challenge her on that and qualify her, then connect with her. Talk about their childhood, which isn't that far away for them, so they'll have plenty to talk about. Another thing is most of these girls don't know how to have a conversation! They probably don't even have the social experience you have, so you have to teach them how to carry a conversation with more pauses.

 

[Ree]

So I think your real question might be: How do I relate to young girls? Which is an entirely different and unrelated topic.

...inersesting....plus...does it make a difference.....?..Assuming i have misdiagnosed the situation....and the only thing these girls are guilty only of is being young...what wud u Suggest then?...in other words ....in what ways does the solutions for dealing with a girl who is dumb differ from one who is young....i want to hit the club friday armed with both soltions

 

[Ree]

dumb girl characteristics

1.usually very active on social media
2.usually changes whatsapp statuses and profile pics very frequantly
3.have no hobbies,apart from watching movie and series
4.have never read anything that they werent forced to read in school(no novels or even magazines)
5.likes to travel in packs
6.takes each day as it comes...has no dreams..the course they do in school is usually a course that they were forced to take by a parent
7.if they r working they are usually a waitress,a model(not a succesful one,coz to be a succesful model takes ambition)...a hired gun....or a job they got from either a relative or a boyfreind(or an orbiter who wanted to impress her by getting her a job)

the list goes on but...i think u know the type of girl im describing....names are jsut semantics...label her however u want...just tell me how to get he

lol I know exactly what u mean buddy. and no... some people are just dumb. There's no doubt about that. Like BBoy said, I assume the girls you're talking about are 18-20. You seduce them the same way you seduce any girl...Qualifying, sex talk, eye contact, voice, sensual touch.
You probably can't relate to them because your beliefs and lifestyle is more goal-oriented.

You probably already know this, but find out what they're interested in with an open question (so what do you like to do?), then challenge her on that and qualify her, then connect with her. Talk about their childhood, which isn't that far away for them, so they'll have plenty to talk about. Another thing is most of these girls don't know how to have a conversation! They probably don't even have the social experience you have, so you have to teach them how to carry a conversation with more pauses.

Will definetely try this....thanks....will also do as snipefield said....make a detailed report...so that the advice can be more specific...and u guys can get a clearer picture of where i stall

 

[GeneralFap]

Perfect video for you:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB246CSYqEU

 

[Ree]

gamed on saturday and friday(both dayganme and nightgame)
my daygame interactions went splendid(as usual)
my nightgame interactions went horrible(as usual)

this is typically how my nightgame interactions go

ree:hey i like ur style
low attention span party gal:thanx
ree:whats ur name
low attention span party gal:me?...im stacy
ree:wow,what an exotic name,my name is ree
hows ur night so far?
low attention span party gal:fun
ree:i like ur outfit,trying to figure out what u do when u not in the club
low attention span party gal:im a student
ree:thats cool,what do u study,journalism?
low attention span party gal:nuh...h.r

now this is where my daygame results differ with my night ones....in nightgame

as the talk progresses the gal goes from super excited to bored to making an excuse to leave/not talk

low attention span party gal:im sorry,i came here to have fun,not talk/im sorry i have to go to the ladies

however in daygame...the gal just keeps talking and hooks

 

[Bboy100]

Ree,

I'm usually not a fan of anything canned/premeditated, but lately I've been trying a canned opener and its been working great for me. You might want to give it a shot. It'll start the conversation on the right foot for you. Its kind of like a crutch. If you just come up and say "hi" you have a lot of work to do before she's hooked. Whereas, if you do something canned, its usually pretty polarizing, she'll hook right away. And it also works as a much better launching point for continuing the conversation. Once we get better at coming up with appropriate conversation starters on the spot, we can discard canned openers.

Here's a list: http://www.seductionbase.com/seduction/ ... y/666.html
I'm not saying I advocate any of these. They're just examples. I recommend coming up with one of your own.

I also recommend this for anyone else who has a hard time making the conversation fun/playful.

 

[ray_zorse]

Hmm well in my opinion there are no dumb girls, just girls you don't connect with or relate to. Honestly it sucks to be judgemental, we normally think about this in relation to sexual judging, but it really applies generally as well. It has sometimes happened that I had a 20min interaction with a girl and kind of thought "this girl is hopeless, she has no dreams, doesn't tell me anything about herself, doesn't ask questions etc"... in fact a good example would be in Osaka a few months back, she's a legal secretary and well dressed and nice makeup, lives in a country town and commutes 30~40min to work, umm... the first date was as boring as hell, I couldn't get ANYTHING out of her, she said she had to go and I tried to kiss her on the cheek (can't remember if I succeed or not but she wasn't too down with it)... thought "dumb aimless girl, NEXT!"... well surprisingly enough she texted me in good English later on that she'd enjoyed the date. I'm like WTF?!... I texted back "hmm i see, to be honest I didn't have that great a time, have you done much dating before?" and she's texted back "much dating?!" with a big emoticon (like a dog scratching its head or something)... again I thought "dumb as dogshit"... I replied to her "I mean if we hung out again, could u try to tell me a bit about yourself, ask questions etc?" and she's like "okay I didn't realize"... she ended up investing quite a bit over text. We caught up again and had a much better time, because I read her better (as being super shy). When I dropped the attempts to deep dive and just hung with her, things were really pleasant. (As an epilogue to this story I did pull her to a hotel but fucked up by leading her to wrong lift and she unfortunately got away). IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SHE WANTS AND GIVE HER THAT. The only thing holding you back from connecting with these girls is you're not being a generalist. The thing is to become a seducer of women, YOU MUST LOVE ALL WOMEN, that's why your post strikes the wrong note for me. Check Chase's ebook part 2.
Ray
PS. Women might be what you consider as dumb, but they are SUPER INTUITIVE. They know a million miles away when they're being talked down to, and this hurts you.
PPS. In your nightgame example, the thing is this girl didn't really want to be deep dived and connected with, she wanted a fun dynamic guy to be playful with her. Do that.

 

[Ree]

.. again I thought "dumb as dogshit"... I replied to her "I mean if we hung out again, could u try to tell me a bit about yourself, ask questions etc?" and she's like "okay I didn't realize"... she ended up investing quite a bit over text. We caught up again and had a much better time, because I read her better (as being super shy). When I dropped the attempts to deep dive and just hung with her, things were really pleasant. (As an epilogue to this story I did pull her to a hotel but fucked up by leading her to wrong lift and she unfortunately got away). IT'S YOUR RESPONSIBILITY TO FIGURE OUT WHAT SHE WANTS AND GIVE HER THAT. The only thing holding you back from connecting with these girls is you're not being a generalist. The thing is to become a seducer of women, YOU MUST LOVE ALL WOMEN, that's why your post strikes the wrong note for me. Check Chase's ebook part 2.
Ray
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Didnt know chase had a second ebook....really interested in the gal in ur story....so is there a group of galz who are undeepdivable?....met a gal who i absolutely couldnt ddepdive...i just think....i cant get her too open,i end date....could i get more on what u do...once u discover a gal s unddepdivable

 

[Ree]

Bboy and genereal fap....thanks for the links....got no beef with canned material.....lol....i think if u do thousands of approaches inevitably yuljust be using routines