How Much A Girl Likes You. Conflicting Ideas On Effort and Investment.

[Cacc]

I'm confused about something.

The general idea at girls chase is to use the law of least effort. and having sex with a girl with the least effort possible makes you look the most socially dominant and powerful to her. This idea tells you to only use as much effort as it takes to get the lay and perhaps keep her.

But there was also some advice given by Chase where he mentioned that the girls he really really liked were the girls that liked him the most back. And Hector also mentions in his video that the girls you think are absolutely drop dead gorgeous always give you the best receptions which is true in my case.


The latter tells you that if you want a girl to really hook hard, you need more than just the least amount of effort possible. You need to give her some of your emotions and not be a complete caveman so she can continue investing.

It seems to me like the men who show their women some emotions get better girls than the hypermasculine stoic bad asses.

Which brings me to the ultimate question. Is it about the difference in investment levels between you and her, or is it more about her total level of investment in you?

 

[Richard]

If you can imagine a graph of investment you'd probably see that investment/attraction is curvilinear.

Minimal/mild investment from you will yield higher levels of attraction, but there comes a point in time where if you continuallyprovide minimal/mild investment her attraction for you will die. So, to answer your question, it's about both. Her investment in you should be higher and your investment in her should be lower BUT that doesn't mean you don't invest in her at all nor does it mean you can't do a lot for a girl.

Hope that clears things up.

-Richard

 

[Cacc]

I see. But investment promotes investment right? After a certain point you have to give her incentive to keep investing right?

Also, it seems to me like women only really fall in love with men who give her a good deal of investment back. Am i wrong?

Trying to clear up waht im trying to say.

what makes a woman invest more in you.

giving her just enough to keep her investing. or giving her a good deal of your investment if you really like her?

just to clear things up. im talking specifically post sex.

 

[Fuck This]

I think women want to continue building excitement through varied means. I think we need to continue to build emotional momentum, so that there is a positive emotional association with our image. If HER post sex image makes her feel ashamed, bored, angry or self conscious then she will not want to continue to invest in the relationship.

If all you are doing is "hanging out" there is no growth there. But if you provide what many folks call "emotional spikes" through, shared experiences and, stimulating conversations, then the woman is more likely to continue to invest in you.

Ask yourself, "How do I make her FEEL?" and I think you have your answer.

 

[Richard]

I see. But investment promotes investment right? After a certain point you have to give her incentive to keep investing right?

Also, it seems to me like women only really fall in love with men who give her a good deal of investment back. Am i wrong?

Trying to clear up waht im trying to say.

what makes a woman invest more in you.

giving her just enough to keep her investing. or giving her a good deal of your investment if you really like her?

just to clear things up. im talking specifically post sex.

It depends on what context we're talking about; whether she's a friend, a girlfriend, a fuckbuddy, a girl you're casually seeing, etc. I recognize that we have to explain these things like business propositions but don't get so caught up in making this an exchange because you'll lose your connection with a girl.

Generally, you do whatever you feel like doing with a girl - but, we can't explicitly say that because most men are not men who can do that naturally. The natural inclination of guys is to invest as much time and energy as possible into a girl so we can't just say "Do what feels right" in a situation like this. Top-tier guys invest as much as they want into a woman they're seeing because a) he usually has enough value that the girl reciprocates more value or b) they usually have limited time and literally cannot continually invest, etc.

So, a lot of things come in to play when answering that question. A basic idea, though, is that if the girl is significantly interested in you then you invest in her however you want provided you're not going overboard. After you sleep with a girl the investment dynamic changes a lot and becomes a bit more flexible, anyway.

-Richard

EDIT: Also, one thing to mention; you do not want to START off by investing more into a girl hoping that she will, in turn, invest more back. At the onset, you want to use minimal effort and as you close, go into a date, or sleep with her the amount you can invest increases, just to clarify.

 

[lostnumber]

Cacc, ask yourself what it is you are looking for from a post-sex relationship. Do you want this girl to be a girl on the side while you devote your primary attentions somewhere else? Is this a serious relationship candidate? Are you looking for just more sex? A partner to take to the dance? Are you OK with this relationship flaming out after 2 months, or do you want her to stick around?

You won't be able to form a coherent approach to investment levels until you've answered questions like these and have a firm idea of what you want.

 

[Cacc]

Your advice and Chase's articles are helping me understand this.

It seems like making a girl go crazy for you entails giving her a just enough to reel her in, stepping back and letting her stew for awhile until you go reel her in some more. Back and forth.

My question now is, what do you do or rather don't do so that a girl you're only interested in fucking casually doesn't develop deep feelings for you, or start demanding something more?

 

[Richard]

Your advice and Chase's articles are helping me understand this.

It seems like making a girl go crazy for you entails giving her a just enough to reel her in, stepping back and letting her stew for awhile until you go reel her in some more. Back and forth.

My question now is, what do you do or rather don't do so that a girl you're only interested in fucking casually doesn't develop deep feelings for you, or start demanding something more?

Ah, that's almost impossible to answer directly. Girls you fuck will always develop feelings for you (with very rare exceptions) because long-term sex is an emotional act. Plus, unless a girl directly says it's a ONS or nothing serious then it's best to assume she's going to end up emotionally involved... which creates a moral problem for some guys and becomes a delicate situation to handle.

Anyway, it will vary from girl to girl but, generally, if you only want to fuck her casually then you don't implicitly set bad expectations. Women are constantly pushing and testing men to see how much they can get out of them and if you're fucking a girl, she's going to try pretty hard to get you to develop an emotional connection to her (texting daily, phone calls, dates, etc.) and you have to swiftly avoid being reeled in. So, the short answer is you just fuck her, stay cordial, but don't commit to anything that leads her to think you want her as a girlfriend.

That being said, the moral issue is resolved when the two of you don't directly attach a title to thing; basically, until you two agree that you're dating then you're realistically free to do as you want so you can simply fuck her casually and not commit. However, the day will always come where she demands to know what the two of you are and that's when you have to be direct with a girl but, until that time comes, just fuck her and avoid leading into thinking you want something more serious.

-Richard