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tvktvk

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Hey guys, lay #2 right here. Not gonna go into too much detail, but will post some of the texting, hope some of the newer guys can learn something from it. I set up a way too boyfriendish precedent, but managed to correct it and break it off on good terms.

Background
I met this girl (let's call her Sonja) before the summer holidays. She's bestfriends with my buddy's girlfriend. I had met her before, but back then she had a serious boyfriend. I complimented how her eyes where very tigerish and she replied that nobody has ever said anything like that to her - Not even her ex. I then asked her shortly after some more smalltalk if she'd like to go out sometime and she agreed immediately and gave me her number. I tried to set a date up before the holidays, but exams and her going home made it difficult.

First Night
Two weeks ago I met her at a pregame at my buddy's place (the one dating the bestfriend). It was on from the moment we said hi. I oozed spezzatura, didn't talk to much with her and just did some light touching. Her bestfriend started asking me what I thought about her n stuff. I just laughed and said that I liked being single, not having to worry about any jealousy, but I thought Sonja was cute. Me and Sonja left the pregame together and while walking between bars we would hold hands (this was probably too couple'ish) At the last bar we danced a bit and made out. At the end of the night I told her we were going home to my place for some wine:

me - Let's go back to my place for some wine
Sonja - Noo, I have to get home
me - No you're coming with me, we're gonna have some wine and chill
Sonja - Haha ok

Lol, wasn't any real resistance. Back at my place I poured us some wine, we made out, but she wouldnt go any further. She said she had to find a taxi home, I just told her she could stay over. She slept over, but wouldnt take her clothes off in bed. Tried again in the morning but no budge.I persisted in a playful and non needy way so she never got mad. She was leaving town for a week and we agreed to set up a date when she came back

Second night
I was going to text her in the beginning of this week but she texted me first. Already then I knew this was in the bag. We set up something for sunday, but she then texted me and told me she was going to the same pregame as me on saturday. Fuck I thought, did not need this girl to get too close to one of my social circles as I was already flirting with some other girls there. To avoid any jealousy plotlines I found another pregame and told her I couldn't make it, but we could meet at a bar (I don't recommend you do this, but this girl was chasing me so hard she would have met me anywhere). When I was still on my way downtown my buddy (whos so whipped btw) starts calling and tells me Sonja is with him and his girlfriend and I can find them at x bar. This really annoyed me because it wasn't low key at all + it was clear that Sonjas best friend wanted to set us up as a couple. I avoided them for a while when I got downtown but around 1 am I meet them after Sonja double texts me "where at y bar now", and "where are you?" Jeeez. I got there and acted like everything was cool. We chill and talk for about half hour before we agree to get some late night food. My buddy, his girlfriend and his roomate went to a kebab shop. Me and Sonja went to a pizzeria next to my apartment. We got some pizza, we ate a piece each back at my place and started making out. I then led her to bed. Before I started escalating I told her:

Look, I don't have the capacity to be in a serious relationship right now, so I don't want you do something with me tonight and regret it later.

It kinda freaked her out. She told me she didn't know what to say, but she appreciated me being honest. I then started escalating and there was close to no LMR, I just made sure to take time while escalating. The sex was unfortunately bad, the condom felt weird and she wasnt that hot naked so it kinda turned me off. I have to work on the adapted missionary... After about 30 min I came while she was riding me. We cuddled a while before we fell asleep.

Today
When we wake up we cuddle a bit, eat some pizza and she takes a shower before she leaves. I text her in the evening: (this may sound kinda gay and awkward, just google translated most of the texting)

me - Hey, had fun yesterday/today, hope you had a good time :)

Sonja - Had a good time, but quite frankly I'm left with a lot of questions. Finding it a bit heavy to take up so early, but since you mentioned it yesterday, I'd like to talk to you about what your expectations are for this. We do not need to discuss it via text, but I need at least a little chat. Know this probably sounds crazy serious, but I just want us to be "on the same page". I'm left with the feeling that you might not have time for me, but maybe I just misunderstood:)

me - I realize what I said must have been confusing :) And no, it's good that we discuss it now so we are actually on the same page. It started with me being uncomfortable whith the way my buddy started calling me several times yesterday. I know that your best friend and buddy only have good intentions, but it just stressed me out, I was going to meet you anyway. I feel that when friends interfere with these things they get the expectations of how things should go ... What actually happens is first and foremost between us. I'd like to see you again when I come back from my trip, but I do not see myself in a committed relationship in the near future. Therefore I got the feeling that I can't give you everything you need

Sonja - I truly regret drawing them into this, it was wrong of me and I do not think I realized that he contacted you so many times! Fully agree that this is between you and me. I think you're wonderful guy and I enjoy myself when I'm with you, but as I said to you yesterday and I put a lot of emotional effort when I'm with a guy, and I'm quite frankly looking for someone that will set aside time to be with me. I don't expect to see you several times a week in the start, butI'm not the type to date multiple guys at once or just have a casual relationship with someone. So it depends a little on what you are looking for ... if you're just looking for innocent fun I don't think that I could be cool with that, which really sucks because I want to get to know you better.

me - The first time I met you last year I thought it really sucked that you had a boyfriend because I thought you were wonderful :) I've really enjoyed myself these few times with you after the holidays, but right now I'm just looking to have fun and put my needs above all. I understand of course you're not into the casual thing, which I think is very unfortunate...

Sonja - Trust me, I truly wish that I was able to just take things as they come and not think so much, but that's unfortunately not the case. Like you I must think of myself, and I know I'm going to get hurt if I get to know you better and eventually want it to become something more, when you do not want the same. This really sucks, but it sounds like we might just end things now

me - Looks like it yeah =/ I hope you find everything you want Sonja, you deserve it really! I appreciate the time we've had together and hope you do the same :) dont be a stranger, we will probably meet again

You are so nice! I do appreciate it and I'm glad I got to know you better, and I really had fun, which is why this situation sucks! You have no idea how happy I was when you asked for my number, it was really just what I needed! It's probably very likely that we meet again, so I'm At least happy we've ended things on good terms :)

me - Me too :) If I start to flirt too much next time I see you, you have to let me know haha;)

Sonja - Hahah ya I will!

Thoughts
- Always set the right expectations with the girl from the get go. That way there can be no confusions and nobody gets hurt. Luckily this ended on good terms.
- Honesty is hot.
- Completed one of my goals which was to have sex sober (or almost sober), next step is to get higher quality girls. I have a date with a cute german on tuesday.
- Right now I'm just reaping the benefits of all of my hard work from the past 10 months. I'm starting to flake on girls I don't consider hot enough, I have too much other stuff going on lol.

Hope you learned something from this report. Until next time guys!

tvktvk
 

Big Daddy

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Nice report dude :)

This girl really wanted your dick. In my experience, most girls won't even bother going out again if I fail to escalate on my first try. Good thing you managed to capitalize on the moment on the second time and bedded her.

In fact, it just happened last week. I'll try one last time this week before giving up and writing the report as a FR++.

As for the text part, it was solid. I get the feeling that she was quite a secure girl from the get-go, because most girls would freak out with that comment and the way you both handled it afterwards was very mature.

As you said, better to communicate these upon meeting, but sometimes we do fuck things up. I, for instance, have a hard time calibrating this frame setting.

I'm also reaching the level where I can finally see myself in a position to be comfortable around hotter girls, banging one OK girl here and there.

Keep with the great work dude, see you in lay #20 ;)
 

ray_zorse

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This is all good and I have used this approach in the past with success, but given it's damn near lost me the lay I recommend you don't do expectation-setting in the leadup to escalation. As someone wisely pointed out here, what she assumes is on her... I would wait until she mentions relationshippy stuff to drop this bomb on her. Yes, it seems mean, but OTOH you may actually end up in a r/ship with her, you can't COMPLETELY rule it out.

Congratulations on the lay! By the way, what country are you in?

Ray
 

TheChased

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Really liked how you handled it, but I would go with ray on this one. Telling her that you don't want anything else than sex before you bed her can make you miss out on a good lay. Not because she's not cool with it, but because it can activate some of her anti-slut alarms. I usually wait until after I have bedded her before I tell her that this is just fun and nothing more. (Not that harsh of course) What can work, is implying it, and not telling it straight out. Can't say that I, my self is good at that, because I'm afraid I will fuck it up and lose the lay. Sometimes I get away as they guy who got away, sometimes as a friend, and sometimes as the douchebag. Haha, ohh well, we all have things to work on!

Congrats on the lay, hope to see more in the future!
-TC
 
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tvktvk

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Big Daddy
Dude, this chick was chasing me so hard it was actually getting quite annoying. She was definitely setting me up for a serious relationship, hence no sex the first night (I'm guessing she had a principle thing). As for you girl BD, just keep on persisting man, you won't get anywhere without it ;)

Ray & TC
Yeah I'm completely aware that saying that shit before escalating could have fucked up the LR, but I didn't really care if I got the lay or not and I needed to do some damage control for multiple reasons:
- She was getting alarmingly close to one of my social circles. This would possibly lead to two scenarios (or both). 1. She announces to the other girls that I'm taken and they stop flirting with me 2. She finds out I'm dating other women and she tells the girls in my social circle that I'm a douchebag player that only used her for sex. By doing what I did she couldn't do either because I told her before we had sex.
- I still have too high empathy to hurt a girl's feelings when I know we want different things
- I believe doing this saved me a lot of headache and stress whether I got the lay or not.

Thank you bros! I've been living my whole my life in Norway, but I'm of south asian descent :) Going on a date tonight, let's see how it goes!

tvktvk
 

TheChased

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Thank you bros! I've been living my whole my life in Norway, but I'm of south asian descent :) Going on a date tonight, let's see how it goes!
You're kidding me? A fellow Norwegian! Veldig artig det da ;)

I see why you had to do it now, but as I also see, she was chasing you hard. So she probably thought she could change your mind or something, based on the texts.

I don't expect to see you several times a week in the start, butI'm not the type to date multiple guys at once or just have a casual relationship with someone. So it depends a little on what you are looking for ... if you're just looking for innocent fun I don't think that I could be cool with that, which really sucks because I want to get to know you better.

You can see it quite clearly here, even tho you told her before you bedded her, she still thought you could change your mind.
 
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