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How To Deal With Addictions? Having and Addictive Personality

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I've been addicted to porn, video games, watching YouTube videos, etc, etc.

I have an extremely addictive personality and I always need some sort of stimulation it seems. When I go through periods of addiction I start developing some mild depression until I finally quit, but I've never been able to quit for good.

My addictions take over my life to the point that I choose it over over everything else. Even though I don't really enjoy what I'm addicted to it's just easy.

How can I get over these addictions for good, and stop going back?
 

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Yeah you can get addicted to maybe anything! I get what you mean its very easy sometimes to just.... sit at home and watch tv series instead of being productive with women for example.

Alcoholics do a 12step type program. I know that wasn't on your list, but there may be similar programs and stuff out there, maybe with less steps/levels, that deal with it.I don't know what the correct word is,but 'forward future think' where you think if I do xyz now, I won't have achieved my other goals for today and I may be mild depressed at the end of it, having those thoughts may help. If that easy thing then becomes a negative association.

Or you could do some youtube once you've achieved some other goals for that day, eg approaching women or something.
 

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I also have an addictive personality, and have lived with and occasionally hung out with hard-drug addicts for the majority of my college life. I used to be psychologically addicted to weed until it gave me extreme paranoia after 4 years of chronic use so I made myself stop. Then I used a multitude of other substances for highs (really anything I could get my hands on). Used to be addicted to videogames in middle school / high school but then I started becoming an academic / social person and put those down for the most part. Now I've been called a sex addict (but that's just shit talk lol) and have smelled hints of approach addiction!

How can I get over these addictions for good, and stop going back?

Quoting myself here, but I believe this applies,

"When people are in abusive relationships, abuse drugs / alcohol, etc. the ultimate effect is those [things] abuse the people.

In this sense we have control over our actions, and how those actions make us feel. The best method for a long term effect is to accomplish and reward with things that keep long term benefits in the picture, with minimal negative consequences."

Quick highs, unless associated with just accomplishing something beneficial to you, other than getting high, typically don't help you in the long term and have an affinity to get you hooked / rewire your reward circuitry a bit.


Phone-video games are made to keep you sucked into your screen and repeat simple actions of quick successes again and again and again. I suggest deleting phone-app games for this reason, unless it's one of those brain game apps (although the data on these is mixed as to if it's actually beneficial - your brain might just get good at those games).

If you delete the app / sell the game, you're less likely to redownload it and start playing it again. If you remove yourself from a drug-infested environment, you're less likely to relapse on the drug.

There's also different ways of Self Talk to slowly work your way out of addiction. Check out that link and digest what you can.

It's important to consider two things:
1). What is X addiction stopping me from doing?
2). Would I rather have X addiction, or Y thing that I won't have if I keep feeding the addiction?

If it's something immediate, (like my extreme paranoia), that can serve as a pretty big motivator to stop. If it's something long term, it's more difficult to see the light at the end of the tunnel, but in reality if not playing StarCraft for 8 hours a day let's me start studying literature / working out / learning martial arts, the long term things that X is stopping you from doing usually way outweighs the continued use of X in retrospect.

Many people when they're older look back regretfully for pouring money and time to their addictions, when they could have been doing something much more beneficial to themselves and to others. It's not uncommon to waste part of your life on something. I will add this though, if you like video games, go ahead and play video games!

BUT, like most things moderation is key.

Too little --> you're unhappy,
Too much --> you're not growing,
Just Right --> you're happy AND making positive changes in your life.

Adapting behaviors + beliefs and learning emotional regulation (try meditation)
has been shown to aid addicts in their path to recovery.

If you decide it's time to put a halt on your addictions and wasting your time on draining, less than beneficial things it's important to understand that beating addiction takes time and effort. It might not seem possible at first (video games were really hard for me to stop in middle school - I played 10-16 hours a day, it was my life), but it's entirely doable, and in my experience it's worth it.

For me it was finding something else I was passionate about (guitar, school, socializing) and feeding those areas. There's healthy addictions, too,but they often take more time to develop / truly identify.

There are many avenues people have found in beating addiction. Look some things up and try and see one that sticks with you.


Best,

Hue
 

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Hey guys,

Thanks for the advice.


BUT, like most things moderation is key.

I can't seem to be moderate in anything I do. It's always either none, or too much. Trust me I've tried.

I think the issue is I don't want to grow up. I don't even have a need to. I'm provided all the basic needs by my mom. So there is no real danger of if I don't work I won't get to eat or pay the bills.

The times were I've felt most fulfilled, grounded, and happy have been when I didn't have access to a computer or a phone.


Couple months ago I was posting here about how great I was feeling and I was approaching beautiful girls and I felt wonderful. I was beaming with confidence and I felt like I've never ever felt before and others were intoxicated by it.

But then I bought myself a phone and started reading stuff online and spending some time in it and I felt my vibe and presence dwindle.

Then after a couple days I started procrastinating and spending less and less time making money.

Then I got myself a pc and started playing games and I just stopped going in to work.
 

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I think the issue is I don't want to grow up. I don't even have a need to. I'm provided all the basic needs by my mom. So there is no real danger of if I don't work I won't get to eat or pay the bills.

Seems like you lack a source of inspiration to grow up and achieve something. Some people find this earlier than others. I recommend digging deep to see what you'd really like to accomplish some day and looking around you / the world to find an avenue/outlet to do that.

This might be a hard pill to swallow, but your comfortable living situation will not always be there. One day you'll have to support yourself and family / friends likely won't be around to provide for you.

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The times were I've felt most fulfilled, grounded, and happy have been when I didn't have access to a computer or a phone.

Couple months ago I was posting here about how great I was feeling and I was approaching beautiful girls and I felt wonderful. I was beaming with confidence and I felt like I've never ever felt before and others were intoxicated by it.

You've done it before, you can do it again.

Technology addictions are tough in the modern world because of how accessible everything is.

If you're not ready for moderation, polarize your environment. Sell your smart phone and get a flip phone. Sell your video games and computer and buy a low tech CPU with a shitty graphics card / power.

Take control of your environment and give yourself no other option, instead of letting your environment control you.

Change hurts, but not nearly as much as the regret of being complacent when you're older does.
 

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Hue gives some good advice.

Having had a similar situation to Hue (dependent on weed daily for years, a regular binge drinker, and dabbled extensively in hard drugs) and recovered to the point I'm a complete sober teetotaler. The thing that helped me get off all that shit, aside from a strong intrinsic desire not to be a loser anymore, was replacing my harmful addictions with better addictions.

Things like success, seduction (sex is like the least harmful addiction in my opinion unless you get Aids and herpes), lifting weights, meditation, and more. There harder to become addicted too but much more rewarding if you can achieve the replacement.

Cacc said:
I think the issue is I don't want to grow up. I don't even have a need to. I'm provided all the basic needs by my mom. So there is no real danger of if I don't work I won't get to eat or pay the bills.

Perhaps putting yourself in a situation where you'd be forced to grow up a bit would not give you time to be addicted to petty things since you'd then have to go out and discipline yourself or yield to your addiction and starve.

Perhaps move to a new city (or country even) and do a 6 month challenge to see if you can make it out in the real world. You could move to a country where the folks in the town don't have any computers and phones and have to go pick tomatoes and harvest coconuts everyday (perhaps choose a place with a sweet hostel that hot tourists chicks go to so you can have fun too). If you fail, no shame you can always go back and live with your mom, regroup, and try again in the future.

Cacc said:
But then I bought myself a phone and started reading stuff online and spending some time in it and I felt my vibe and presence dwindle.

Then after a couple days I started procrastinating and spending less and less time making money.

Then I got myself a pc and started playing games and I just stopped going in to work.

You know yourself better than I do and I'm not trying to tell you don't have an addictive personality but the way you talk about this it sounds like you just have a weak discipline muscle and the typical "millennial ADD" that our generation is susceptible to.

Anyway man if I were you I'd put myself in a more extreme situation that requires you to get off your ass and go be productive.

A favorite quote that motivates me to this day that I have penned on the front page of my journal goes as such:

"If you don't care enough about your own life to push hard and be the best you YOU can be, maybe you could at least think about your carbon footprint and remove yourself from the earth so at least your not fucking shit up for other people."

The point isn't to commit suicide but to put into perspective that if your not going to make the effort to realize your potential then what's the point? You seem like the type of guy that wants it all but has a vice to overcome, like plenty of great men in history have done.

Get control of your vice and your self and you'll be able to move mountains out of your way.

-Rob
 

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Addiction is rarely just to do with substance. In most cases there is something internally, a feeling of inadequacy perhaps, that leads to you feeling the need to add this ( usually ) bullshit to your life.

As Rain mentioned, 12 steps can be useful for identifying what's needed . It may not seem wholly applicable to your situation as your addictions seem to not be externally destructive ... hard to apologise to people for watching too much youtube or pornhub. If you adapt it as you need however and it should still be fruitful.

Hope the best for you mate

Kilyan
 

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Hueman,

Seems like you lack a source of inspiration to grow up and achieve something. Some people find this earlier than others. I recommend digging deep to see what you'd really like to accomplish some day and looking around you / the world to find an avenue/outlet to do that.

What I would like to do right now is to move abroad and have 1 or 2 cool friends that know seduction and sleep with a couple girls. I believe what's missing the most form my life is relationships. I haven't had a friend in years and I don't talk to anyone.

I believe that's what would "level" me up the most. I already know that I'm a cool, sexy guy from the way men and women treat me but since I go on such long periods of time without any kind of social feedback(since I don't socialize) I lose my edge and confidence. But I get it back after like 2 days of socializing.

Rob,

Perhaps move to a new city (or country even) and do a 6 month challenge to see if you can make it out in the real world. You could move to a country where the folks in the town don't have any computers and phones and have to go pick tomatoes and harvest coconuts everyday (perhaps choose a place with a sweet hostel that hot tourists chicks go to so you can have fun too). If you fail, no shame you can always go back and live with your mom, regroup, and try again in the future.

I've always fantasized about doing something like that. Living in a farm or in a tribe and working hard just to survive. However I've never known how to actually do it.


I agree that moving overseas would be good for exposing me to the world right now. However, I feel that it needs to be a place where I can heavily expose myself to social situations.


I genuinely feel that I'm good with girls. I just don't feel like expending the energy to get sex. However this wasn't the case some months back when I was feeling good. I was checking them out, they were turning me on, and I felt a huge burst of energy and feeling of "I got to talk to her!" when I saw a pretty girl. I think it was because my brain was starting to associate real life women as mating prospects.

And even more than girls, I really crave being friends with someone I like and connect with.
 

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Cacc,

I went 2 years without friends as well a few years back as well. Yes having relationships whether romantic, guy friends, or even platonic female friends that you have an emotional connection with is great for the soul. On the other hand social isolation can really wreck havoc on your emotional needs after prolonged periods of time and definitely leads to escapism whether you have an addictive personality or not.

There are plenty of jobs you can get virtually if you have a skillset and work your own hours from anywhere you want: https://www.flexjobs.com/

However in your case if you do go overseas somewhere I'd recommend getting a job local to the place you choose to live as it'd probably be more rewarding doing something more hands on in your situation.

Anecdotally when I traveled to both Ecuador and the Dominican Republic the coastal towns I stayed at had expats that were temporarily living there and worked at bars/restaurants or surf instructors, etc. They got to soak up the culture and the spent most of their time working to meet the living expenses (which were minimal in those countries), socializing with all the high turnover of young tourists, and hanging out at the beach. There social circle consisted of other expats and locals that spoke english and were cool.

Its pretty doable to be honest. Save up enough for a plane ticket and 2 weeks of living expenses and just go for it man. Maybe don't even line up a job and just hustle your ass off to find or create work once you get there. Even if you fail you'll still learn a lot and be forced to put your electronic devices down.

-Rob
 

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Cacc said:
I've been addicted to porn, video games, watching YouTube videos, etc, etc.

I have an extremely addictive personality and I always need some sort of stimulation it seems. When I go through periods of addiction I start developing some mild depression until I finally quit, but I've never been able to quit for good.

My addictions take over my life to the point that I choose it over over everything else. Even though I don't really enjoy what I'm addicted to it's just easy.

How can I get over these addictions for good, and stop going back?

I face the same issues as you, and my addictions have been a struggle and a distraction for a long time. However, I have largely tackled my addictions and even though I relapse once in a while, it is becoming more and more rare.

So here's what has worked for me.

1. Internalize that your addictions are actually a choice you are making. It's conscious. If you believe it's unconcious, then this is actually a form of self victimization. You've hinted at this when you wrote
"I can't seem to be moderate in anything I do. It's always either none, or too much. Trust me I've tried. I think the issue is I don't want to grow up. I don't even have a need to. I'm provided all the basic needs by my mom. So there is no real danger of if I don't work I won't get to eat or pay the bills."
The truth is that you're choosing whatever you do in life - if you watch porn, then you chose to watch that porn. It's your own fault. It's not the fault of not growing up, having your needs provided....that's shitty logic. It's not your biology, it's not someone else. YOU are making the choice. Take responsibility for it.

2. Internalize and acknowledge all the negative aspects of your additions. Rather than associating the addictions with good feelings, you have to understand and acknowledge the negatives and really believe it! For weed, I internalized that it made me feel tired, that i got nothing else done, and that I was throwing away lots of money instead of making money - whenever I smoked I got nothing productive done. Same thing with video games - though they were very enjoyable, I had to tell myself that I'm wasting time I could use to earn money and do cool things.

3. Forcibly remove the additions. This part is hard, because usually what prevents removal are resounding sentiments of pleasure. YOU HAVE TO DO THIS! To get over my video game addition, I had to uninstall all my video games and delete my accounts. To get over my porn addiction, I had to block all the porn websites I visited and I made it a total pain in the ass to unblock those sites on my phone as well as my computer. To get over my addiction to weed, I had to throw away my weed, my weed contacts, my smoking devices....everything. Another way to do this is to wean yourself off by removing the pleasure factor. For instance with weed, I started to smoke CBD weed only instead of THC weed, and in doing so I removed the feeling of getting high. Thus even though I got cravings, it didn't feel as good to smoke even though I was smoking.

4. Find replacement activities. This is the most important thing I think - because ultimately when you remove the addiction you'll find yourself with a LOT of time available. If you have nothing to do with that time, you'll be tempted to slide right back into the addiction. It'll be super easy, too, because you will know how to access the addiction but it's more difficult to find new things to do, so you must keep yourself stimulated and busy enough to NOT do this. Find new projects to tackle. Instead of watching youtube and playing video games I go to the gym and work on my body. Instead of smoking weed I dedicate my time to my hobbies like photography or meeting women or making money. Instead of watching porn, I have too many projects that earn money and need my time, and I focus on those instead.

Bonus: Another thing that has worked very well for me is creating a routine that supports Item 4. Without a good routine you can be lost, but if you have a good routine backed up by your mission and stick to it with discipline, it's going to be a lot harder to justify breaking that routine for some porn video. There's simply too much to lose. I think right now your default routine is based around porn video games and wasting time, so you need to create a new routine with new activities.

I have an article coming up about building a good routine with goals.
 

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Thanks for the advice Pooba. However you mistook something I said.

I don't blame anyone but myself. It's not an issue of feeling like a victim, it's an issue of not wanting to put in the effort to improve. Maybe I'm just a regular guy that found this website and is fighting his need to just be a regular guy and do regular things and never do anything interesting or have a terribly successful sex life. Who knows.

Also,

some of the things you guys suggested I already do. I play sports and weight train daily. Heck, there was a period in my life where all I did was go to the gym and play video games.

There are certain aspects I don't have handled. I believe, the missing link is socialization.


Let's get something straight. I'd rather talk to a girl I really dig than watch porn. I'd rather socialize at a party than play video games. It's not about what I'd rather be doing. It's that things like video games and porn take virtually no effort nor risk and they make you feel satisfied cus of dopamine. Where as real life things take way more effort and also failure and putting yourself out there.


But hey, maybe i am a victim. I'll admit, sometimes I wish someone would swoop in and help me get my life handled. But I don't feel like it's the worlds fault, I know it is my fault. I'm just so fucking worthless that I think to myself, "My life fucking sucks, maybe I should change it. Eh, maybe tomorrow."


In a nutshell, my life sucks because I don't give enough of a fuck to change it. Not because I feel I can't. Even though I know I'd be 10x more satisfied with my life if, say, I got myself a hot girlfriend.
 

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Cacc said:
I don't blame anyone but myself. It's not an issue of feeling like a victim, it's an issue of not wanting to put in the effort to improve. Maybe I'm just a regular guy that found this website and is fighting his need to just be a regular guy and do regular things and never do anything interesting or have a terribly successful sex life. Who knows.

Ah okay, so you're aware of your lack of desire to put in effort. I think awareness is key, which is why I think the first step to get over any kind of addictions is to become aware that you are making a choice.

So let me ask you this - are you aware that you are making a choice not to improve? If the answer is "yes," why are you making this choice? What is your pay off for this?

Now ask yourself - what is the pay off for improving?

Finally, what is holding you back? What's in the gap?

Cacc said:
There are certain aspects I don't have handled. I believe, the missing link is socialization.

Great! This is an awesome tool of awareness. So now you know that you have to build socialization into your routine to improve your situation, in addition to the sports and weight training you already do. How will you do this?

Cacc said:
But hey, maybe i am a victim. I'll admit, sometimes I wish someone would swoop in and help me get my life handled. But I don't feel like it's the worlds fault, I know it is my fault. I'm just so fucking worthless that I think to myself, "My life fucking sucks, maybe I should change it. Eh, maybe tomorrow."


In a nutshell, my life sucks because I don't give enough of a fuck to change it. Not because I feel I can't. Even though I know I'd be 10x more satisfied with my life if, say, I got myself a hot girlfriend.

I think your attitude of "maybe tomorrow" is part of the problem. Why not now? This goes back to item 3 I listed, which is to forcibly change a behavior by removing it entirely. Believe me, I get it - I have struggled with porn addiction and weed addiction all my life, and it's held me back in stupid ways. Alas, sometimes it was also because I believed I could just wait till tomorrow. However, opportunity cost is a very, very real thing!

Another more drastic solution I'd have for you, but I'm pretty sure it would work - simply move out of your house. One thing I noticed is that you live with your mum - and likely this creates a sense of comfort and security for you, but also removes you from socializing and making your own path in life. If you moved out, you're forced to support yourself to live independently, and I think that it would help you in socializing. Unfortunately the socialization isn't just going to magically appear - you've got to go create it! Since you have anxiety around it, that means you've gotta push yourself to do it as part of your routine.

Mr.Rob said:
the way you talk about this it sounds like you just have a weak discipline muscle and the typical "millennial ADD" that our generation is susceptible to.
Completely agree.
 

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Ah okay, so you're aware of your lack of desire to put in effort. I think awareness is key, which is why I think the first step to get over any kind of addictions is to become aware that you are making a choice.

So let me ask you this - are you aware that you are making a choice not to improve? If the answer is "yes," why are you making this choice? What is your pay off for this?

Now ask yourself - what is the pay off for improving?

Finally, what is holding you back? What's in the gap?

Yes I know. Right now? Inertia. But how did it start? It was caused by a string of rejections at my job and a rejection from a girl I really liked. You can read the fr here if you're interested in why it affected me so(read later posts): https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17078


Great! This is an awesome tool of awareness. So now you know that you have to build socialization into your routine to improve your situation, in addition to the sports and weight training you already do. How will you do this?

I will start by working again. I'm a d2d canvasser. I get a lot of good socialization in my work. I also get a lot of validation because I'm constantly called cute and handsome, and when women open their doors to see who's knocking I can see it in their facial expressions. I also really like helping people. I'm going to do that for a few days then start cold approaching again.


Another more drastic solution I'd have for you, but I'm pretty sure it would work - simply move out of your house. One thing I noticed is that you live with your mum - and likely this creates a sense of comfort and security for you, but also removes you from socializing and making your own path in life. If you moved out, you're forced to support yourself to live independently, and I think that it would help you in socializing. Unfortunately the socialization isn't just going to magically appear - you've got to go create it! Since you have anxiety around it, that means you've gotta push yourself to do it as part of your routine.

I'll do that as soon as I can get myself a car of my own.

Also, I'm genuinely surprised and thankful that you've taken the time to help me with my issues.

Cacc
 

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Cacc said:
Yes I know. Right now? Inertia. But how did it start? It was caused by a string of rejections at my job and a rejection from a girl I really liked. You can read the fr here if you're interested in why it affected me so(read later posts): viewtopic.php?f=5&t=17078

Cacc,

Yeah you should never let ONE or even a few bad interactions affect your demeanor. That's why it's important to achieve internal, rather than external, validation. The way to do this is to become more soulful and grounded within yourself.

A good book worth reading is "The Four Agreements," it takes just one evening to read and is pretty small, but one of the big lessons in it is "don't take things personally," and the reason it's that way is because every single human on Earth views the world from their own perspective, which influences the way they make decisions. That said, you can always reduce the impact of this by getting better at game and social skills. Once you're skilled enough, you can out-dominate others by allowing your own viewpoint to super cede theirs. It unfortunately doesn't always work that way, though.

I always love citing recent US Presidents as an example. Obama could have passed laws permitting gun ownership for everybody in the United States, and there are Republicans who would still hate his guts. Trump could pass laws giving everybody $2000 and a free kitten, and his opposition would still find a reason to hate him. It's just the way the world works - there are haters everywhere around you, and will hate on a person regardless of the facts.

Cacc said:
Also, I'm genuinely surprised and thankful that you've taken the time to help me with my issues.

Cacc

Happy to help!
 

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Grand Pooba said:
Yeah you should never let ONE or even a few bad interactions affect your demeanor. That's why it's important to achieve internal, rather than external, validation. The way to do this is to become more soulful and grounded within yourself.

Hi Grand Pooba!

Thank you for the excellent advice given in this thread. Becoming more soulful and grounded within myself is something that I've realized that I personally need a lot of work on - I'm often too up in my head and not enough in my body.

Do you have any practical recommendations for how someone could work on being more grounded in themselves?

I just ordered a copy of The Four Agreements, can't wait to read it!

Thanks,

Byron
 
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Lord Byron said:
Do you have any practical recommendations for how someone could work on being more grounded in themselves?

1. Meditate daily, even if it's just for 10-15 minutes. I like to meditate in the mornings when I wake up right before looking at my vision board and life goals. The purpose of meditation is to clear one's head - the way I meditate thus is to focus on sensations in my body and breathing, and whenever I have a thought (any thought) I focus on clearing the thought and focusing on body sensations instead.
2. Have core missions and goals which you focus on daily, even if just to review, and align the mission/goals with an effective routine. I have two articles coming up on how to set effective goals and how to align them with a daily routine; hopefully will be online in the next few weeks!

Definitely let me know what your reactions are to the book! I found it to be quite useful.
 

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Idk cacc, I personally found trading vices to help. Instead of porn I compete in contest for the fun of it.
 
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