How to Know When You're Being Touchy Enough (?)

[Gentle_Phrases]

I read a very, very interesting forum post from somebody at another site. It's gone now - I SO wish that I'd copied it to share with all of you. Anyway, this guy said this:

From the forum poster:

[paraphrase] Most men are not touchy enough with women. To make sure that you're escalating enough with a woman and not moving too slow, you should aim for your touches to be rejected about 50% of the time. At that point you'll know that you couldn't be moving much faster. By "rejection" I don't mean her screaming and running away. I mean her moving her hand or her body slightly, or making some other obvious sign while still spending time with you/not leaving. [paraphrase]

That blew my mind. I went out with that mindset last night and was holding hands with a girl and playing with her hair in under three minutes because I was looking for that 50%! It was a mental hack that sort of helped me do what Chase has suggested we do from the get-go, which is to play to win and not to not lose.

Have any of you had experiences that support or don't support this 50% philosophy? And do you have any other unconventional means for determing when you're starting to crouch into "Dr. Octopus" territory?

 

[Mr.Rob]

Have any of you had experiences that support or don't support this 50% philosophy? And do you have any other unconventional means for determing when you're starting to crouch into "Dr. Octopus" territory?

What the hell is Dr. Octopus?

Yes lately I've been pushing my comfort zone with touch as well a bit and I have to say I've never thought about as that but it's true.

Friday I opened a black girl with an extremely sexy pair of legs and was holding her hand while we stood in place and talked. I put my arm around her multiple times (just in the moment fucking around with her) and she would back away (happened twice). I'd throw out a chase frame and she'd hit me (always a good sign) playfully and flirt back. So she was comfortable with me holding her hand but not putting my arm around her. She was qualifying herself throughout the interaction as well (always good). I got her number and she responded to my icebreaker. Done deal.

The horse girl from my past lay report I got rejected for interlocking arms, holding hands, putting my arm around her etc. and yeah that went well.

A girl I met at the mall the other day that just turned 18 held my hand and walked down the hallway of the mall with me within 2 minutes of knowing her.

Yes just because she rejects your touch doesn't mean anything keep going.

 

[Marty]

Gentle Phrases,

I'm sure I don't touch enough either. I tend to touch a huge amount in social circle (attractive women I mean), but in cold approach I normally seem to leave it mostly until the date, by which time it may be too late (i.e. if a date never actually takes place due to my failure to escalate).

If I meet a cool girl at a social event, even if it's a direct approach I'll tend to touch her a lot, but not in traditional daytime settings for some reason. I'm sure that's wrong, I need to make sure I do it more. I think part of the trouble is, in daytime cold approach I'm often not quite sure whether I've reached the "hook point".

Here's a very informative video about touch:

How to touch a girl—Kezia Noble

Rob's already seen it. I only found it recently, I haven't put anything into practice yet!

-Marty

 

[Gentle_Phrases]

Friday I opened a black girl with an extremely sexy pair of legs and was holding her hand while we stood in place and talked. I put my arm around her multiple times (just in the moment fucking around with her) and she would back away (happened twice). I'd throw out a chase frame and she'd hit me (always a good sign) playfully and flirt back. So she was comfortable with me holding her hand but not putting my arm around her. She was qualifying herself throughout the interaction as well (always good). I got her number and she responded to my icebreaker. Done deal.

The horse girl from my past lay report I got rejected for interlocking arms, holding hands, putting my arm around her etc. and yeah that went well.

A girl I met at the mall the other day that just turned 18 held my hand and walked down the hallway of the mall with me within 2 minutes of knowing her.

Damn, Rob. Get bizzayyy. Looks like we might be seeing some LRs soon...

Yes just because she rejects your touch doesn't mean anything keep going.

Yup, yup!

What the hell is Dr. Octopus?

think part of the trouble is, in daytime cold approach I'm often not quite sure whether I've reached the "hook point".

Hm. Same. That's why I've started touching before the hook . You can use the handshake as a tester during the daytime. If she'll let her hand rest there comfortably and squeezes back, I've found that usually she's receptive to some flirtation very early on. Those are the girls that respond to my texts. If she rests it there but doesn't squeeze back I usually expect at least a number. Anything else means she'll be saying goodbye soon. Major generalizing.

That video was a good share, Marty. I say that because I'm already using all those touches LOL. It was scary how his progression is my exact touch progression. After belly touch, I go for accidental boob brush on the way to belly, hand hold, then the hair. Guess it's another example of universality in Game.

Also, can you imagine trying to approach Kezia? She's quite literally seen it all. Her eyes would probably be so soulless as she calculates your every move.

 

[Mr.Rob]

Lol Dr. Octopus!

Yeah as far as touching and the hook point goes I've been touching before the hook point a lot recently (even walking up to girls and putting my arms around their waist like we're a couple and asking them when we're getting married) and I've found that the girls I do touch early on and not in a timid "permission boy" way hook more often then not. It's also helped me increase my vibe and get a lot more present and fun (not entertainer) which girls seem to eat up as well.

Also, can you imagine trying to approach Kezia? She's quite literally seen it all. Her eyes would probably be so soulless as she calculates your every move.

Kezia- "fucking newbies.."

 

[lux7]

Very interesting, love it.

Though while it ensures you move at full speed, it also means you get rejected half of time times, not as smooth as one could be .

 

[Lotus]

and in turn you clarify your intentions as well