How to make a girl CHASE?...What is INVESTMENT? How to get a girl INVESTED?

[Seduceceleb]

Seems like one of the most BASIC questions but please bear with me.

I have problems with -- How to get a girl invested in me?

I can do push pull. I can smooth talk. I can create poetry on the fly. I am good with words. One of my talents. The no of girls who said to me "If you write a romance novel. I would buy it and read it over and over" is more than 30-40.

I am witty and sharp. My material can go for hours, no problem. I have read a lot. I practiced a lot.

My sticking point - I feel like a dancing monkey. I invested a lot of energy in seduction. While she kicks back. Bad, very bad. Especially if I wanna do it over and over. Energy drain.

I have seen Chase mentioning in one of the interviews - "Making a girl chase is to get her invested." -- this seems extremely powerful.

I know it's a basic question or probably the most advanced one. Idk.

Some help needed here :-

1. What is investment? (Time Or energy or emotions or what? Probably all)
2. How to get her invested?
3. What questions to ask? When to ask? What do I have to make her do?
4. What to do if she is not yielding information? What's if she is closed?
Etc.. Etc.. Maybe people can add more. But i hope you get my point.

It seems a basic discussion or question. If discussion has already happened on this.. Can someone please refer me to those?
If not
Then please Chase and other members can you see my problem and how to get rid of this sticking point.

(A quick story which opened my eyes about the power of getting a girl invested - I was gaming this girl and I got nowhere. Although she mentioned beforehand she is not in mood for something like this but we can be friends and talk. I just wanted to see how my stupid game can work on a girl who is trying to get over a guy. She (very uptight and Orthodox by her own admission, never played with her pussy. Idk but she said so) was in love with a guy who had another girlfriend on side and she got heartbroken when she found out. I asked what he did. She said we talked for a month on Instagram. I asked.. did you people sext? She said we talked about everything except sexting. She said she still has feelings for this guy. Although she knows he had another girl. Guy was not good looking. His other girl was really pretty.
To me this seems like a case of emotional and vulnerability investment.)

Looking forward to learning. Thanks.

 

[JasonH]

Seems like one of the most BASIC questions but please bear with me.

I have problems with -- How to get a girl invested in me?

I can do push pull. I can smooth talk. I can create poetry on the fly. I am good with words. One of my talents. The no of girls who said to me "If you write a romance novel. I would buy it and read it over and over" is more than 30-40.

I am witty and sharp. My material can go for hours, no problem. I have read a lot. I practiced a lot.

My sticking point - I feel like a dancing monkey. I invested a lot of energy in seduction. While she kicks back. Bad, very bad. Especially if I wanna do it over and over. Energy drain.

I have seen Chase mentioning in one of the interviews - "Making a girl chase is to get her invested." -- this seems extremely powerful.

I know it's a basic question or probably the most advanced one. Idk.

Some help needed here :-

1. What is investment? (Time Or energy or emotions or what? Probably all)
2. How to get her invested?
3. What questions to ask? When to ask? What do I have to make her do?
4. What to do if she is not yielding information? What's if she is closed?
Etc.. Etc.. Maybe people can add more. But i hope you get my point.

It seems a basic discussion or question. If discussion has already happened on this.. Can someone please refer me to those?
If not
Then please Chase and other members can you see my problem and how to get rid of this sticking point.

(A quick story which opened my eyes about the power of getting a girl invested - I was gaming this girl and I got nowhere. Although she mentioned beforehand she is not in mood for something like this but we can be friends and talk. I just wanted to see how my stupid game can work on a girl who is trying to get over a guy. She (very uptight and Orthodox by her own admission, never played with her pussy. Idk but she said so) was in love with a guy who had another girlfriend on side and she got heartbroken when she found out. I asked what he did. She said we talked for a month on Instagram. I asked.. did you people sext? She said we talked about everything except sexting. She said she still has feelings for this guy. Although she knows he had another girl. Guy was not good looking. His other girl was really pretty.
To me this seems like a case of emotional and vulnerability investment.)

Looking forward to learning. Thanks.

Sounds like the other guy had a bunch of things going for him
-preselection (probably the most powerful attraction trigger -other attractive women into him)
- Because he already had a woman he was probably displaying attractive behaviors
- He had things going for him which made him attractive and like she should invest in him - her being upset when she found out he had a girl is still emotional investment mind you. Just made him more unattainable.

Investment is anything she does involving you, for you, or with you.
- Just spending time with you is investment.
- When you ask her to do something for you and she does it, that’s her complying investing in you.
- There’s also autoinvestment - when she does things for you without asking for example she messages you, calls you or buys you a drink.
- her thinking about you is emotional investment.

I agree with your sticking point being like a dancing monkey. It’s like you’re spitting out tactics and techniques expecting a certain response, not succeeding and getting discouraged.

I would take a step back from techniques like push/pull, trying to be witty etc and have an honest look at your
- Fundamentals
- Social skills in general: do people open up with you, do they choose to stay and talk to you rather than others, do you spend more time talking amount them vs general things, do you connect with people over things that makes them you get them.

Focus less on being witty, clever and get women talking about themselves & opening up to you. Then relate to those things you can relate to, so they feel like you get them. Insert a little bit of teasing, push pull here and there if you are good at it.

Checkout Chase’ articles on
- fundamentals
- deep diving
- connection
- attitude similarity

 

[AspiringStoic]

Seems like one of the most BASIC questions but please bear with me.

I have problems with -- How to get a girl invested in me?

I can do push pull. I can smooth talk. I can create poetry on the fly. I am good with words. One of my talents. The no of girls who said to me "If you write a romance novel. I would buy it and read it over and over" is more than 30-40.

I am witty and sharp. My material can go for hours, no problem. I have read a lot. I practiced a lot.

My sticking point - I feel like a dancing monkey. I invested a lot of energy in seduction. While she kicks back. Bad, very bad. Especially if I wanna do it over and over. Energy drain.

I have seen Chase mentioning in one of the interviews - "Making a girl chase is to get her invested." -- this seems extremely powerful.

I know it's a basic question or probably the most advanced one. Idk.

Some help needed here :-

1. What is investment? (Time Or energy or emotions or what? Probably all)
2. How to get her invested?
3. What questions to ask? When to ask? What do I have to make her do?
4. What to do if she is not yielding information? What's if she is closed?
Etc.. Etc.. Maybe people can add more. But i hope you get my point.

It seems a basic discussion or question. If discussion has already happened on this.. Can someone please refer me to those?
If not
Then please Chase and other members can you see my problem and how to get rid of this sticking point.

(A quick story which opened my eyes about the power of getting a girl invested - I was gaming this girl and I got nowhere. Although she mentioned beforehand she is not in mood for something like this but we can be friends and talk. I just wanted to see how my stupid game can work on a girl who is trying to get over a guy. She (very uptight and Orthodox by her own admission, never played with her pussy. Idk but she said so) was in love with a guy who had another girlfriend on side and she got heartbroken when she found out. I asked what he did. She said we talked for a month on Instagram. I asked.. did you people sext? She said we talked about everything except sexting. She said she still has feelings for this guy. Although she knows he had another girl. Guy was not good looking. His other girl was really pretty.
To me this seems like a case of emotional and vulnerability investment.)

Looking forward to learning. Thanks.

Wow!

From the two threads you have started so far, some things are pretty clear. It seems like you have studied the history of pickup from top to bottom, built up a huge database in your head and have spent a lot of time THEORIZING about all of this and many hypothetical scenarios.

I bet you have not even spent 10% of the time you have spent on reading pickup stuff actually INFIELD practicing pickup. And from the examples you give, I have a feeling that you are definitely not meeting new, previously unacquainted girls on a regular basis and trying to seduce them.

1. What is investment? (Time Or energy or emotions or what? Probably all)
2. How to get her invested?
3. What questions to ask? When to ask? What do I have to make her do?
4. What to do if she is not yielding information? What's if she is closed?

De clutter your head of all this for now.

Just meet 30+ girls a week. And follow this process:

-Have your fundamentals down.

-Clearly express your romantic/sexual interest in the girls you are meeting.

- Find the ones who respond positively to you expressing sexual interest.

-Escalate to touching, kissing and sex.

Just rinse and repeat this on every girl till you get a few successful experiences and only then think about anything else.

Looking forward to learning.

Instead look forward to doing. Learning will come from the doing.

 

[KJ Francis]

Pre-lay, I personally focus on deep diving to get her invested. It turns into her qualifying herself. The other aspect is getting her complying with you leading the interaction forward, setting dates, meeting up, moving with you, etc.

I think chasing is investment and sort of a function of value and attainability. If you are just the right amount of attainable, she will need to invest to access your value that is dangling in her reach. That act of reaching is chasing. As you qualify her throughout the investment of deep diving, it creates a reward loop. Post-lay, sex becomes the main investment reward.