How to maximize GC material absorption?

[sneaky_charm]

Okay guys, let me give it to you straight. I've been visiting GC for years, but I haven't made considerable progress.

A few months ago, I understood what narcissicm is, and that I had many narcissistic traits and how they were hampering my life and progress. And so, now I'm slowly making better progress than ever, able to understand myself better and how to deal with my negative personality traits. Narcissicm is good in its own way, but letting it get to the head is pure BAD.

I am an empath + narcissist, like Chase mentioned he is. But I came to know this only last November. Good thing that I know, and good thing that I am not a total narc, not able to see faults within himself.

Now, I want to know how to maximize GC learning. For years, I have been reading the posts, but I forget them. I mean, those of you who have really made considerable progress, what does your approach look like? Do you actually by-heart the material? I mean, read one post, remember it well by reading again and again, and then go out and apply the tactics contained in it until you are a pro at those? Is that the way it works?

I think my problem is absorbing too many materials at once, and not focusing on one or two things at a time.

Also, lately, I am realizing that mostly progress is a slow battle.

For example, those peole who can quote things when having a discussion, maybe they do not have any super powers or anything. Maybe actually they by-heart the quotes they like?

I always thought that they were just able to remember those quotes and lines after once reading them? Does it work that way or do most people just by-heart quotes and lines?

Or dates, facts, events or whatever else. Do you guys actually read those things again and again until those are ingrained in you minds, like consciously trying to remember what you think is worth remembring? Or are some of you simply great at remembering things after once reading it?


By the way, I have a good memory. However, I can't remember things by reading them just once.

So long and short of it, how do I maximize my results with the help of GC?

- Sneaky

 

[Smith]

Sneaky Charm,

When I first stumbled upon GC, I read almost all the articles for months and thought I was ready when I started taking action. But I quickly forgot all the details I thought that would make me a great seducer when I'm out on a date or I would be so stifled that I tried to micro-control everything so it follows that article on GC instead of just letting it flow, and that stalled my progress.
My advice is to read GC articles but don't become obsess with it. Because as much as you would like to hope that Chase and other authors on GC covers everything you know, in real life there are various shades of grey that just simply can't be explained by an article on GC. Some situations require calibration that you can only know what to do from tons of experience. My point is be open minded when you're learning seduction. There's no one way that's the best, but GC gives you a good and healthy foundation to start with and you can build around it.
Now how to maximize GC material absorption? Go out, talk to women and write down what went well and what went wrong and why it happened. Don't get too crazy overanalzying and over thinking it, but any sticking point should be pretty obvious. Once you know where you're sticking point is, use the information on GC to fix it.

Good luck!

 

[sneaky_charm]

Hi Smith!

Thank you for contributing. Thanks for reminding me that going out is the best thing I can do. Just 2 hours from now I'll be in filed practising.

By the way, do you use spreadsheets to track your progress? If yes, what things do you track?

- Sneaky

 

[Smith]

By the way, do you use spreadsheets to track your progress? If yes, what things do you track?

No I found tracking your results makes you less outcome independent because now you have a "batting average" you need to keep up with and when you're taking massive action, you will have to try really hard to remember how many girls you talked to that day. I don't see the purpose of tracking how many girls you slept with or how many numbers you got. Neither of these things are indicators of how good you are with women.

 

[Richard]

Just practice it. Pick between one and three things at a time and focus on them until you have them mastered.

In the progression of any skill, when you start from nothing and immerse yourself in it you're bound to get better just by way of doing it. But as you start to make progress you'll find that it halts until you practice the specific skills required to be a master. Determine what your strengths and weaknesses are and focus on practicing one (or a max of three) thing(s) at a time.

 

[PinotNoir]

Knowledge: when you read something and understand it logically
Wisdom: when you go out and experience it
Mastery: knowledge + wisdom; begin to create new ideas (knowledge) and try them out (wisdom)

For anything to stick, you have to try it out immediately. This applies to anything you're learning really (even when you learn a language without a partner, you practice speaking it aloud alone in your room, etc.), and for guys, it seems to almost be a requirement haha. Try reading a technical manual on something... it just doesn't stick until you get your hands dirty and start tinkering.

The very beginning of the Newbie Assignment (here in the beginner section of the forums) is first going out and walking around. You have to have a steady stream of women to practice on, else it's trying to learn how to paint without canvases and just using thin air.

Pretty simple questions:
1) How many women did you SEE last month that you wanted to ask out on a date? This needs to be at least 10-20 and preferably more. Go out more to parks, coffee shops, bars, out for lunch, etc. (Join Tinder, etc. as well as secondary options.)
2) How many women that you saw did you TALK with? This needs to be a high percentage of #1. 100% is preferable, but maybe unrealistic, just get it in the 90% area.
3) How are YOU improving yourself?

Now, after you have that, start fine tuning all of the details. Read articles related to your current problems. Post FRs for people to critique. Post questions here, etc.

For specific knowledge, the main site (girlschase.com) has good categories at the top (however, I wish they had better refined categories). There's also the Newbie Assignment and the article that has the Quiz guides (https://www.girlschase.com/content/new-d ... books-live).

Lastly, great article Chase wrote on this very subject:
https://www.girlschase.com/content/how-g ... king-girls

Good luck!

 

[trashKENNUT]

Just some nugget to put in as well. (p.s i didn't read the whole thing, so pardon me !! )

The word here is "attitude".

In my location, the word 'attitude' seems to have a negative connotation but it really is just learning as much as you can, don't be too hard on yourself and learning by observing as Warren Buffett also mention.

it really is, most of the time for most people. For some, they can't seem to go beyond their own thought form. This is another thing. I don't know why. Sometimes this can take years. But whatever it is, as long as the hurdle is jump, it's all good.

Zac

 

[Jaimie Richards]

Hey Sneaky & guys,

I'd like to add 2 things to the discussion.

My advice is to read GC articles but don't become obsess with it. Because as much as you would like to hope that Chase and other authors on GC covers everything you know, in real life there are various shades of grey that just simply can't be explained by an article on GC. Some situations require calibration that you can only know what to do from tons of experience. My point is be open minded when you're learning seduction. There's no one way that's the best, but GC gives you a good and healthy foundation to start with and you can build around it.

1. I have to agree and disagree here at the same time. On the one hand, Smith is certainly right - life is way more complicated than any theoretical approach and set of pieces of advice can describe.

On the other hand though, I like to think metaphorically about GC as an orchestra - different authors and active boards contributors cover different aspects of seduction and life in general. I guess that if you could just - let's say - internalize everything said here so far, I guess that you would become one of the best in this particular field the moment you have all the knowledge and the ability to apply it properly at will (like PinotNoir said - coupling of knowledge and wisdom is crucial here).

Yet, this place is like the already mentioned orchestra - even if we say that it plays all the possible tunes, it's unrealistic to become as good as every particular musician in reasonably short time.

Of course you can learn and, in time, master everything said here, but it's a long process, so as Richard said: concentrate on only a couple of aspects at a given time. To build on his advice, I'd like to add that it's a good idea to focus on different aspects from different groups at the same time.

For example: focus on posture (fundamentals part), deep diving (conversationalist department) and indirect direct (approaching realm). This way you can learn many things at the same time easily, because each one of them touches something completely different and only concentrating on learning indirect direct in this scenario may not be the best idea. After all, after successful approach there's no need to lose a girl who likes you, so having something to focus upon after the approach seems to be a good idea.

When you get good at applying those aspects you choose, you can move on to others - the once already learnt should of course be still remembered and practiced.

2. When discussing the learning process and material absorption, in addition to already mentioned material these two threads come to my mind:

https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9942
https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=45&t=9053

The other thing that I have to partly disagree with Smith is mentioned in one of those threads: a little obsession can be helpful. For me the skills I've learned best are the ones that I become at least somewhat obsessed about for reasonably long periods of time.

Only partly, because Smith's said something truly important: don't obsess over articles. Applying that advice, you can use this spare energy not on obsessing with certain articles (no matter how awesome they are) and instead apply it on obsessing about getting better at chosen by you aspects of seduction.

J.

 

[PinotNoir]

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https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=9942
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In this thread, Franco has a really solid reply about how reading articles is about memorizing and internalizing the concepts, which is very true. Try approaching articles by learning the concepts, not details of information from step A to step B. It's easier to remember and apply.

Focus your learning (initially) on concepts and patterns.

For example, instead of trying to memorize all of the fundamentals, initially, I very quickly learned the concept and just pulled from a real world example like Brad Pitt or Daniel Craig. So, when I went out to improve myself, I just thought of Daniel Craig; I didn't write down a verbatim list. Then later, I began to get more detailed. Which is easier to remember? Daniel Craig or a list of 100 items on posture, eye contact, tight-fitting clothes, etc.

Now, don't get me wrong. Read all of the details of an article, but try to associate them with a concept. Then when you go out, instead of trying to remember every detail, just try to go back to the concept -- kind of like "What Would Chase Do" haha. Some details will be remembered and some want. This also helps with new situations that arise that I have never read about.... I then think of the pattern and concepts I learned and how to apply them to this new situation.

 

[Drck]

Don't memorize anything, UNDERSTAND it in stead, understand the concept...

 

[ray_zorse]

My 2 cents... if I were you I'd pick up Chase's ebook and give it a read, it's slightly out-of-date and less detailed with respect to the articles on the site (you can actually see how Chase's thinking has evolved over time, for instance in regard to texting game among other things), but the great thing about the ebook is that it gives you a nice overall summary which you can "hang" further learning from. In line with Richard's and Smith's advice, do what it suggests in the ebook which is to give it a read, and then go out and try to practice what you've learned, referring back to the ebook frequently. I tend to read the ebook again every few months, although recently (after being a seducer for 9 months or so) I find that I already know almost all the material in it. Even so, I do occasionally internalize something I'd skimmed before.
Ray

 

[sneaky_charm]

I don't see the purpose of tracking how many girls you slept with or how many numbers you got. Neither of these things are indicators of how good you are with women.

Thanks man! Yes, I see what you mean. I actually meant maintaining spreadsheet in order to understand different patterns, and then maximizing results based on the available data. Not as some sort of ego thing.

But as you start to make progress you'll find that it halts until you practice the specific skills required to be a master.

Thanks for the reply man! I didn't quite understand this. Can you please elaborate?

The very beginning of the Newbie Assignment (here in the beginner section of the forums) is first going out and walking around. You have to have a steady stream of women to practice on, else it's trying to learn how to paint without canvases and just using thin air.

Pretty simple questions:
1) How many women did you SEE last month that you wanted to ask out on a date? This needs to be at least 10-20 and preferably more. Go out more to parks, coffee shops, bars, out for lunch, etc. (Join Tinder, etc. as well as secondary options.)
2) How many women that you saw did you TALK with? This needs to be a high percentage of #1. 100% is preferable, but maybe unrealistic, just get it in the 90% area.
3) How are YOU improving yourself?

Thanks for the advice Pinot! I totally get what you mean. Well, I've actually approached over 100 women maybe, but I'm rarely consistent. On a particular day, I approach between 0 - 3 maybe. Not many good locations here. Also, my problem is, I almost never approach chicks whom I really like. I mean the really cute ones. The few times I have approached really cute chicks, their responses weren't all that bad. I even think that cute ones are more open to me than average ones. Still, I just can't convince my mind.

it really is, most of the time for most people. For some, they can't seem to go beyond their own thought form. This is another thing. I don't know why. Sometimes this can take years. But whatever it is, as long as the hurdle is jump, it's all good.

Hey Zac, it's always great to hear from you! Hope I jump my hurdle soon. My biggest one is I'm skinny. I've been all my life. And only now I realized that it really bothers me, more than I thought it does. So I am taking steps now. I am actually underweight, and that is the biggest issue. I feel like many girls dismiss me even before approaching them.

Of course you can learn and, in time, master everything said here, but it's a long process, so as Richard said: concentrate on only a couple of aspects at a given time. To build on his advice, I'd like to add that it's a good idea to focus on different aspects from different groups at the same time.

For example: focus on posture (fundamentals part), deep diving (conversationalist department) and indirect direct (approaching realm). This way you can learn many things at the same time easily, because each one of them touches something completely different and only concentrating on learning indirect direct in this scenario may not be the best idea. After all, after successful approach there's no need to lose a girl who likes you, so having something to focus upon after the approach seems to be a good idea.

When you get good at applying those aspects you choose, you can move on to others - the once already learnt should of course be still remembered and practiced.

Hi J! Actually, many times, I struggle to keep the girl engaged even for the first 30 seconds. I don't know. But some other times, I can go on and on and even when I'm about to leave, I can tell that the girl doesn't want me to leave.

For example, instead of trying to memorize all of the fundamentals, initially, I very quickly learned the concept and just pulled from a real world example like Brad Pitt or Daniel Craig. So, when I went out to improve myself, I just thought of Daniel Craig; I didn't write down a verbatim list. Then later, I began to get more detailed. Which is easier to remember? Daniel Craig or a list of 100 items on posture, eye contact, tight-fitting clothes, etc.

Now, don't get me wrong. Read all of the details of an article, but try to associate them with a concept. Then when you go out, instead of trying to remember every detail, just try to go back to the concept -- kind of like "What Would Chase Do" haha. Some details will be remembered and some want. This also helps with new situations that arise that I have never read about.... I then think of the pattern and concepts I learned and how to apply them to this new situation.

Associating vibe with some person seems like a really good idea. Okay, gonna try that from now!

Don't memorize anything, UNDERSTAND it in stead, understand the concept...

Hi Drck! Thanks a lot for the reply! Actually I wrote it wrong, I didn't mean memorizing like every word. I just meant having it on top of your mind by reading it again and again. Chase's articles are long! And a single article contains just so many things!

My 2 cents... if I were you I'd pick up Chase's ebook and give it a read, it's slightly out-of-date and less detailed with respect to the articles on the site (you can actually see how Chase's thinking has evolved over time, for instance in regard to texting game among other things), but the great thing about the ebook is that it gives you a nice overall summary which you can "hang" further learning from. In line with Richard's and Smith's advice, do what it suggests in the ebook which is to give it a read, and then go out and try to practice what you've learned, referring back to the ebook frequently. I tend to read the ebook again every few months, although recently (after being a seducer for 9 months or so) I find that I already know almost all the material in it. Even so, I do occasionally internalize something I'd skimmed before.

Not gonna lie. I want to buy the book, but I have to make it a priority at this point. I need to start saving! But I'll get it soon!

- Sneaky

 

[Drck]

I used to make lots of summary notes, basically just one sentence or even one key-word abbreviations.

For example, you can read lots of pages, or even books about Confidence. So first you understand that confidence is very important, if not the most important thing in seduction. You simply summarize:

* Nothing matters more than confidence; confidence is a must (or write just one keyword: Confidence)

Or, you can for exaple read about push and pull technique, about being hot and cold and what effect does it have on a person. It might be a long explanation before one understands it, but then you can summarize it to couple of words (some are summaries from when I used to read Ross Jeffries):

* Be a stainless steel fist in a velvet glove
* Be like a bulldog; once you bite never let go
* Always keep in low energy state - in relaxed, neutral state with good/positive vibes
* Don’t approve or disapprove. Don’t make any judgments

* Getting women is like fishing: you cannot SNAP the line; just lightly pull in and then let go. If you pull to much, the line will snap (You chase > she goes to autorejection). If you let go too much, she will disappear
* First create states of fascination, connection, vibes, feeling an intense bond --> only then move for the sexual stuff. Most women will not feel comfortable if you get them aroused first --> SNAP goes that fish line...


Simply make a list of important stuff, and then you go over it couple times per week, then as it becomes more familiar just here and there, and then even months later.... The list can be of course very long, so keep it as simple as possible. This way you can just fly through the bulletpoints within 2-3 minutes and everything important will just pop up in your head...

Later on you can modify the list, remove stuff that is no longer important and combine things that make more sense. For example, the line about fishing: As the time goes you can load lots of stuff to this line, it explains things like Autorejection, Chasing and not Chasing, being too needy or too passive, it explains powerful technique of push and pull, you can combine it with Abundance Mentality (e.g. there is plenty of fish, don't spend all the time on only one) and so on. The only limit is your imagination...


You can also use visualization, e.g. try this:

Relax first, close your eyes and then visualize that you are on a boat called Pleasure. You are on a surface of deep and beautiful Lake called Her Emotions; There are huge mountains named My Confidence all around you, everywhere you look there are those huge, self-confident mountains, way above the lake. You feel the wind from those mountains in your face, and you breath the air in deeply to your lungs and stomach; the air just fills your whole body with with light vibrations, the fresh air feels great. The skies are clear, the weather is just dripping wet and sexy, and you hold something hard and erected in your hands. Feel it with your hands, feel the pulsation. It is a fishing rod sily, but imagine as you wish, LOL. You have a beautiful girl holding on tight your line called Attraction, and you know that you have to be gentle because don't want to snap the Attraction line. There is lots of sexy women swimming naked around, all are attracted to your rod, all are touching your line, and all are showing you pussies that you can fish for. There is so many of them so there is no need to chase any, the whole lake is just filled with them... Lots of cute and silly pussies around, and while you are fishing all these naked and sexy girls, you also feel great about yourself...

"See" it in your mind, feel it, feel those great emotions. Those are very powerful NLP techniques, you visualize it once and you'll remember it for the rest of you life... Then anytime you interact with girls you just keep in mind that don't want to "snap the line".

It is only one simple mental picture but it can create miracles... Happy fishing!

 

[Troy]

Sneaky Charm,

My two cents. When I found GC back in 2012 I read all the articles in a month and as soon as a new article popped up I read it. I kept re reading the articles because it was just fun. I felt I got hit with advice that was sacred and should be guarded and applied before every fool and his brother knew how to do these things. Well that mentality has changed a lot because I realize a lot of men will not go through all the trouble to be great so I no longer care if they find this site.

My point is I was passionate about learning everything on here.. And I am still passionate about learning EVERYTHING. From the articles to all of the great advice I get from everyone on the board's. First rule if you want to remember the articles is BE PASSIONATE. Do you know when something really interests someone they remember it for years even when exposed to it once. Think back to your school days when teacher taught something you didn't really like. You probably forgot about it quickly.

Second thing that worked for me was constant exposure to the articles. Read them over a lot if you can't find the passion to remember them quickly. For some articles I didn't enjoy and had to go this route.

Along with that step apply what you learn as soon as possible. Information not used will be forgotten. Probably the first and second technique won't work for you. So bit by bit you use the advice. Read 3 articles and pick 3 things you want to focus on that day and do it.

Finally I know GC like the back of my hand. Give me a line from ALMOST ANY ARTICLE and I can tell you the article title. Lol it's a gift when I really want to learn something.

Troy