How women view providers - full video documentary

[132]

I just found this on youtube and watched it and I find it really interesting. How women view the men who are providers and take advantage of them. Enjoy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgC9Z3uzPgY

 

[Marty]

I just don't know what to think, Ico. There are so many conflicting messages coming from past experience, the information contained in the forum such as the link you just posted, and reality as I actually find it today.

I always had an overwhelmingly positive view of women before I began this process. All the women I had been in sexual relationships with in the past seemed to enjoy sex with me immensely; eventually I tired of each of them and moved on, but never with any lingering negative feelings. So I was tremendously receptive to the core message of this site that "women love sex".

But then people post so many links here painting relations between the sexes as a conflict with inherently differing objectives.

I went into this process a year ago, probably very naïvely, really believing that the girls would enjoy the experience as much as I planned to. After a couple hundred approaches it seems to be a totally different world out there than the one I'd imagined, and sadly, closer to what is portrayed in your documentary than I would ever have expected.

Your link suggests that far from enjoying sex, these women are purely interested in material resources. Even in the first five minutes, the narrator states that the girls "keep their legs firmly shut". Men, by contrast, are uninterested in material resources, throwing them away mindlessly in pursuit of sex. As I stated above, these are apparently diametrically opposed objectives.

I simply can't reconcile my own experience of loving, kind, sexual women in my relationships, with the utterly confusing messages coming from the internet, and the hard, cold world I see when I venture out to speak to girls I don't already know. It seems as if the more information I obtain for my mental model, the less internally consistent it is and the less sense it makes.

 

[Richard]

Marty,

Without watching the documentary and going off what you said:

Your link suggests that far from enjoying sex, these women are purely interested in material resources. Even in the first five minutes, the narrator states that the girls "keep their legs firmly shut". Men, by contrast, are uninterested in material resources, throwing them away mindlessly in pursuit of sex. As I stated above, these are apparently diametrically opposed objectives.

This comes from evolutionary psychology where birth rate longevity was low so men had to impregnate as many women as he could to keep his lineage alive, while women needed the man with resources to support her and her kid for a while. Thus, to this day, women still need men with resources for long-term commitment/marriage most of the time.

Marty, keep something in mind as you watch documentaries about things like sex, relationships, etc. They speak from an "average" model where the ideas and statistics are based completely on the norm of the overall population they research into. I've found that most men from GC who are advanced seducers are so far out of the norm that it's not even funny. So, while the documentary may say whatever it wants about the norm, realize that we are not part of the "norm."

 

[132]

Marty, Here's how I see it.

Women are different some might not care if you have a dollar in your pocket and other might look in disgust if you have any lees than a few million. And I believe women want different thing from different men. An in the documentary these women view these men as providers and are only interested in their money. While at the same time they might be having frequent sex with some broke lover that has nothing to his name but great fundamentals and seduction process.


I don't believe that women don't want sex. I believe that they don't want sex with every guy. When a girl rejects me I don't think she doesn't want to have sex, I think she doesn't want it with me. So it's y fault and I need to better my fundamentals and process. And not presenting myself as anything but the lover. That's why I don't want to flash my money around to get women. I don't think I can flash it and stay out of provider only territory.


I think that the main point of GC that women want at the same time - a lover, a provider and a friend/orbiter. They want all of these and it's your job to present yourself as one of them and that's the role she gives you in her life.

 

[Franco]

Marty,

I don't believe that women don't want sex. I believe that they don't want sex with every guy. When a girl rejects me I don't think she doesn't want to have sex, I think she doesn't want it with me. So it's y fault and I need to better my fundamentals and process. And not presenting myself as anything but the lover. That's why I don't want to flash my money around to get women. I don't think I can flash it and stay out of provider only territory.

I think that the main point of GC that women want at the same time - a lover, a provider and a friend/orbiter. They want all of these and it's your job to present yourself as one of them and that's the role she gives you in her life.

Ico pretty much summarized what I was going to say here. To add to this statement, it's important to remember that guys in the lover category are rare catches. Providers and friends are EVERYWHERE, so while women do want providers and friends, they tend to emotionally place more value on that which is scarce: the lovers. That is why it is much easier to portray yourself as the lover first, and then if you wish to, you can incorporate the "friend" and "provider" aspects later (after intercourse). As long as she knows that you're a lover, she'll emotionally bend to you (because she sees you as a scarce resource and, as a result, a dominant man).

NOTE: I didn't watch the documentary.

- Franco

 

[Drck]

Yep, agreed, current society views men as providers. Man is supposed to date her for long time and only then he gets laid. Man is supposed to provide for her, buy her stuff, pay for lunches, get her house, take care of her and her child, and then pay, pay and pay.... Most of us were raised like that, and that is one of the reasons why we are having such a hard time to get laid...

For some men and women it is working well, they are happy that way. For others it doesn't go that well, look at the divorce rates. He gets stripped of house that he built and paid for, he is allowed to see his kids only over every other weekend, and he has to pay alimony otherwise he goes to jail. His life is destroyed, now he has to work like a slave. And she? She's got a great house, she's got her kids, she's getting money from him and from government, and she is fucking any guy she wants... That is the society we live in, many men are being destroyed like that, and then we have those white knight fools who feel sory for women...

Most men were raised like that, in presumption that carrying for women is something good. And it is good, having family is good - if you are thinking long term and raising children.

But it is not really women's fault. They are just women, they take what men give them. If he wants to provide - why not? If he wants to keep buying while she fooling around with other men - why not? If he wants to make her equal to him, give her the same salary while she's much less productive and call it equal - why not? If I were woman I would do it too. If I were hot woman, I would suck money from rich men too. Providers are so easy to spot, all you have to do is smile a bit, get him excited, tell him you like hiim - and he is all yours...

The way I see women is that they have multiple personalities. I don't mean like schizophrenic, she is always the same, but she can put diffferent masks on, or simply play different roles. Said differently, most women only play roles that you give them (exceptions of course exist).

For men who she considers providers she puts provider mask on. For man who presents as her friend, she puts friend mask on. For man who is a white knight and a savior of women, she plays role being saved by white knight. For man who presents as sexy SOB, she plays that slutty and sexy girl.

See? They always follow and mirrors men, no matter what. If most men view women as providers, that will simply be her major role - she will present as if she needsd a great provider. If you present yourself to her as her friend with great conversation skills, well, she will take you as a friend who she can have great conversations. If you present yourself as dominant she will simply become submissive.

On the other hand, if you present yourself as a sexy man and lover who has the determination to nail her as soon as he gets first chance, she has no choice than simply mirror you, follow your lead...

So she is essentially like your mirror, she only reflects your presentation. If you can't get laid it is only your fault - you simply didn't present yourself as a guy who really wants sex and who is determined to get it...

 

[Eternity]

Beautifully written Drck, so many valid points in your response. I would also be doing the same if i was a hot chick, play both sides and get as much as i could- a provider and a bad boy.