I actually dislike AIs

[DarkKnight]

Hi guys, a bit of a vent during an otherwise great day, hell great times even. I am truly on fire and experience a lot of abundance. This post is about AIs. We know from pickup that girls are more easy when they give AIs, so I always keep my eyes out if I find a girl interesting enough. So today I was in a venue, and I was bored, but from corner of my eye I see this blonde chick who is a 7.5-8 who looks at me and I read her bodylanguage and I know she likes me. There is a group of women there waiting for something. So I approach them "hey guys what are you all up to". Immediately the blonde steps up and tells me what they are doing, some kind of class and I say alright Im gonna join. She is thrilled and happy that I am there. Not only she other girls are very happy there as well and try to talk to me, but I give most of my attention the blonde. In the past when I ignore a girl who is hot for me like that they get into a seething rage, goes quite fast. ANYWAY. During class I make one sarcastic comment and the blonde girl immediately laughs for my joke. Meanwhile there is one other girl there who is SMOKING hot the kind of bombshell most guys are intimidated by, the type of girl I do very WELL with, because perhaps I can be considered a male bombshell in a way (due to muscles and always being upgraded fundamentals) so there is similiraity there.

After class I start talking to her and deep diving her, other girls try to talk to me but I lock her in. So we get a bit of a convo and I ask her age (she doesnt ask mine back.. which I consider a red flag), after some talk I ask her name, she doesnt ask mine back and that is definitely a red flag after showing so much interest, I take it as she doesnt want continuation but I remain in state I remain calm and cool. Anyway convo fizzles out she tells me she has to leave and I tell her alright bye, meanwhile I scan my mind "was I too attainable?" "Was I too direct" but I know that I was quite smooth, not perfect but well enough. Anyway from the few details she told me I look at her instagram and I see some boyfriend who honestly not even being jealous, looks like a total chump. Not even near me in value. So I kind of feel blueballed and I regret not talking to the other girls or especially the very hot bombshell. Reason for this was not wanting to piss off my target, because again I have a whole legion of broads who are angry with me and have gone into autorejection. Next time I see this girl she will get very short answer I can tell you that, I can really turn annoyed with these girls. Now the new goal will be to absolutely push her into autorejection because I am annoyed this took my time for nothing. Entire fucking hour which I could have focused on the other hotter girl. Never mind that after that class a new girl came up , but still

I was also mentioning this in the chat the other day how girls who give me strong AIs can really sour me. Last year another girl gave me strong AIs and we talke but I got a bullshit refusal, so I didnt pay her mind and nexted her. I encountered her last week and didnt even recognize her she tried to talk to me meanwhile also gave resistance to simple chitchat and I thought it was pretty weird. Then she finally understood I do not even recognize her and I indeed asked her who were you again? Soi get my answer and I recall oh yeah the girl who did everything in her power to get my attention and then let it fizzle out. For me it was already a done deal so I was polite and distant but friendly. Her guy friend comes around and they chitchat and some waitresses I know come to me give me special attention as they tend to do, meanwhile I look to other girls and am generally distracted but not out of petty revenge. From corner of my eyes I see her increasingly keeping tabs on me and loo and behold today she was in front of the place I work, supposedly "coincidentally" but I was interested a year ago man, not right now.

I think this whole increasing fundamentals business is attracting a lot of girls who try to get that validation, but not necessarily interested in progression. They rather have something to proof. When I was more chubby , or lower fundamentals, an AI actually meant something. These days lots of false flags, makes me hesitant to go for AIs, but I know that I need to not let it deter me. Yes I actually get a lot of freebies as well, I get priviliged treatment by a lot of girls. So there are some perks. Sigh.

 

[Skills]

This sounds like incel rage... the fact you conclude that you dont like ais is none sense... you need to find out during the interaction if the interaction is worth it by increasong complience, micro escalations verbal or physical vs wasting time with a girl taken and no sexually available... if the bf is a chump it does not matter he is hitting the pussy and she is massevely invested to have him on insta..you should no waste an hour on a dead set...

 

[DarkKnight]

increasong complience, micro escalations verbal or physical vs wasting time with a girl taken and no sexually available..

I know dude I know I am venting . And no I am not incel, although I know you do not mean to diss me

 

[DarkKnight]

you should no waste an hour on a dead set...

Also I was forced to finish that class when I joined, that was the reason for the hour, otherwise I would have bailed earlier

also I am serious about disliking AIs , because I get tons from unavailable women. I seriously am prefering girls who turn hot later with who I have no expectations instead of girls who start hot and fizzle out due to things out of my control. Call it incel as much as you want. This is my position.

 

[RedNeck]

Quite honestly, I do not see a problem here or anything unusual.

1-Judging by her body language which is hard to fake you thought she was interested or attracted
2- You chatted her up, she was okay, not the warmest
3- She bailed because she has BF>>>> This is typical FSC. She just realized oh wow I could not that .

I would not ignore her or get butt hurt about her. I would act normal next time and apply the three times rule by Chase and Teevster. Try three times and then the ball in her court. Maybe she likes you more, but she is unsure about you, maybe she is thinking about it, maybe her BF pays her rent and she just wants to be careful about jumping ship or cheating on him.

 

[DarkKnight]

I would not ignore her or get butt hurt about her. I would act normal next time and apply the three times rule by Chase and Teevster. Try three times and then the ball in her court. Maybe she likes you more, but she is unsure about you, maybe she is thinking about it, maybe her BF pays her rent and she just wants to be careful about jumping ship or cheating on him

I will not act butthurt, but will not focus on her. I also do not have feelings for her or whatever although I appreciate your feedback. I just tend to experience AIs like this as *distractions*, that is what annoys me. It is unnecessary buildup (I actually liked this girl). In the past when my fundamentals were lower I got less of these... I guess these girls think nothing of it until I actually start pushing for it. But still false flags

Basically what I am saying is (never mind this girl right now) approach invitations do not mean you will get laid or something will happen. Hence it can distract you from actual prospects. And these days I really get a looot of girls who have boyfriends acting funny with me until it is time to put out. And then I learn they are not available, better time would have been spent not focusing on them at all. And yes I get the entire story about compliance and such, which is what I did as soon as I was able to. But that hour was gone, for nothing. And it annoyed me.

 

[Skills]

I know dude I know I am venting . And no I am not incel, although I know you do not mean to diss me

I know you are not, i am saying you sound butt hurt i used the word sound...

 

[RedNeck]

Maybe butt hurt is not the right word. I still do not see the problem or even the false flag. Did she like you? Probably. Will she act on it? Maybe. It might require a long game. One thing we do not do here often is the long game. I do it, because I like the drama of it. I want to look at AI like the following: This girl ikes what she sees, if all circumstances are right, she will sleep with me now. If circumstances are not right, then some work needs to be done. It could be one more chat or it could be uphill battle

 

[DarkKnight]

I know you are not, i am saying you sound butt hurt i used the word sound...

no harm done dude, it was just a dissapointment, it pissed me a bit off because I started to doubt whether I did something wrong during the seduction, but then I get to know that the problem was simply unavailability and I could have focused on others and there was unnecessary buildup. Unfortunately I meet more girls like this, who act funny and then you learn the cause: availability. I don't like timewasting and it seems AIs like these are causing timewasting and unnecessary self doubt. I was honestly doubting if I was perhaps fucking up somewhere. Until I saw the pictures and it all made sense

 

[DarkKnight]

Maybe. It might require a long game

Yeah I thought about this as well on the way to home.. I can long game her.. I am actually quite good at it.. but there are always so many wildcards it is almost always better to meet new girls. Because there is also the risk of me investing in the girl, not just her mentally investing in me. Long game can unfortunately become well.. long. And before you know it you care more about someone than you need to or ever should have. Also it loses the freshness I experience and then you get a dissatisfying dynamic which takes too much time. I am getting older.. and less patient with long game.

 

[RedNeck]

Yeah I thought about this as well on the way to home.. I can long game her.. I am actually quite good at it.. but there are always so many wildcards it is almost always better to meet new girls. Because there is also the risk of me investing in the girl, not just her mentally investing in me

True I agree with risk.
And as for the boyfriend thing, dude, WTF? Women cheat, married women cheat, women dump their BF's, people leave their partner for a coworker, people get divorced,......etc. She has BF, it does not mean she is dead. Haha . But It might require a long game.

 

[DarkKnight]

True I agree with risk.
And as for the boyfriend thing, dude, WTF? Women cheat, married women cheat, women dump their BF's, people leave their partner for a coworker, people get divorced,......etc. She has BF, it does not mean she is dead. Haha . But It might require a long game.

Again it is not about this specific chick although I did like her. I am serious about AIs and that I should at the very least manage my own expectations, about long game see above explanation (I have edited my comment to add something extra). As of covid I feel my age, I get more interest than ever... but I also feel like I have no more time to waste which makes me very hesitant with long game. In the past I could long game girls for 1 or 2 years, sometimes with succes, sometimes they played too hard to get fucked it up caused me to pull back and get a new girl only to get their world crushed (happened to a one itis of mine).. long game can get ugly and takes too much time.

But again, it is not about her, but it is definitely about me disliking long game as well.

 

[RedNeck]

Totally understand bro, then let's put AI's in its perspective :

AI's means a girl likes what she sees, and it requires effort to sleep with her. This effort could be from 0 to 100. I would look at AI's from this perspective

 

[DarkKnight]

Perhaps that is indeed the wisest course. Because when the girl left the annoyance started with me that this would turn into another long game bullshit, I mean who knows when I will see her? A supposed easy deal, turned into something wishy washy and that started to annoy me, 5 minutes later another girl started to flirt with me, also another girl who is into semi-autorejection was hitting me up after gathering her courage again but it could not wash away the dissatisfaction. I need to temper my expectations with AIs. That is for sure. This is my biggest takeaway. Early AIs with girls I barely know. Girls I already know for some time and send out AI, is more reliable to me. Then at least I know the deal and more of their story.

Anyway gonna get some sleep and forget about this incident and gonna consider the greenlight as no light and meet more girls. She can hit me up if she feels inclined to, I will not hunt her. That feels like someone selling you something for 100 bucks and suddenly demanding 500. No thank you.

Thanks for the feedback man

 

[Chase]

I really thought this was going to be a rant against chatbots when I clicked on it.

@DarkKnight, couple things:

1. Classroom game typically unfurls over multiple encounters. Girls are usually very wary of rushing things with guys they see all the time and can't get away from in class, work, or close social circle. Her leaving at a certain point is normal and doesn't mean anything.
   
   
2. If she's giving you AIs with a chump boyfriend, maybe she's getting tired of him and wants to get out. Girls often test the waters and set up their rebound options before they hit the exit ramp a lot of the time. That might be you.
   
   
3. Even if it goes nowhere, an approach invitation is not a gimme, it's her saying she likes your look and wants to see if she likes what you have to offer. If you don't hit the right notes on the approach, she won't stick around, even if she liked your look. Ever approach a girl who looks hot, then you start talking to her and within a few minutes you are like, "Man, this chick is really not interesting me at all," or even, "Sheesh, why'd I approach this chick! Get me outta here"? Imagine if she was like "Sorry DK, you made the approach. Now you've gotta marry me. You're locked the fuck in."

because again I have a whole legion of broads who are angry with me and have gone into autorejection.

Sounds like something very wrong is happening here.

Next time I see this girl she will get very short answer I can tell you that, I can really turn annoyed with these girls.

Ah, there it is. YOU are the one in auto-rejection!

Now the new goal will be to absolutely push her into autorejection because I am annoyed this took my time for nothing.

Well, that's the game, dude. If you're gonna flip a table and stomp all over the pieces every time you don't win, ain't no one gonna wanna play with you, I can tell you that much...

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I was also mentioning this in the chat the other day how girls who give me strong AIs can really sour me. Last year another girl gave me strong AIs and we talke but I got a bullshit refusal, so I didnt pay her mind and nexted her. I encountered her last week and didnt even recognize her she tried to talk to me meanwhile also gave resistance to simple chitchat and I thought it was pretty weird. Then she finally understood I do not even recognize her and I indeed asked her who were you again? Soi get my answer and I recall oh yeah the girl who did everything in her power to get my attention and then let it fizzle out. For me it was already a done deal so I was polite and distant but friendly. Her guy friend comes around and they chitchat and some waitresses I know come to me give me special attention as they tend to do, meanwhile I look to other girls and am generally distracted but not out of petty revenge. From corner of my eyes I see her increasingly keeping tabs on me and loo and behold today she was in front of the place I work, supposedly "coincidentally" but I was interested a year ago man, not right now.

Yes, girls will chase when they try to get your attention and you completely ignore them. That was my big discovery in junior high, and more or less one of the only tricks in my bag then. The problem is while they will get really intrigued and try to test and probe you for a while, if they're not getting a reaction they eventually give up. Kinda like poking at an animal that suddenly fell over like it died when you weren't expecting it. You might poke it with a stick for a while to see if it's just messing around, but if it still does not react you're going to lose interest and go do something else.

I think this whole increasing fundamentals business is attracting a lot of girls who try to get that validation, but not necessarily interested in progression. They rather have something to proof. When I was more chubby , or lower fundamentals, an AI actually meant something. These days lots of false flags, makes me hesitant to go for AIs, but I know that I need to not let it deter me. Yes I actually get a lot of freebies as well, I get priviliged treatment by a lot of girls. So there are some perks. Sigh.

Well, when you are a cool, attractive guy, you WILL get the social connector chicks who are hot and popular and always on the lookout for cool guys to roll into their groups. A lot of the time they will use the same approach invitations before they meet you that interested women will.

You need to be able to differentiate which chicks are looking to add you to their circles vs. which chicks are looking to date or shag.

Rather than auto-reject the connector type chicks, if you figure out she's that why not just screen her on what her circle is like, what kind of people she hangs out, and what kind of parties and events she goes to, and figure out if she's a worthwhile connection?

Some of those chicks can be really valuable ins to cool scenes.

Plus, if you end up laying a few of her friends, and she suddenly finds herself single, guess what often happens?

When you're playing social circle, it's a different game than cold approach.

Need to keep that in mind, man...

Chase

 

[Spyce D]

I really thought this was going to be a rant against chatbots when I clicked on it.

That would have been me cuz I am studying a lot about this and EUGENICS , HYPE MEDIA , these days .

Sorry for the minor derail.

 

[DarkKnight]

I really thought this was going to be a rant against chatbots when I clicked on it.

haha,

Classroom game typically unfurls over multiple encounters. Girls are usually very wary of rushing things with guys they see all the time and can't get away from in class, work, or close social circle. Her leaving at a certain point is normal and doesn't mean anything.

this could already have been the answer to my question. I was not even inclined to join them again, that was not the goal, I simply went there for her although admittedly it was a bit of fun

Sounds like something very wrong is happening here.

What I meant to say here is in the past when I ignored AIs women get furious and their fury can remain for years and actually never goes away. Hence why I tend to incline into AIs

Ever approach a girl who looks hot, then you start talking to her and within a few minutes you are like, "Man, this chick is really not interesting me at all," or even, "Sheesh, why'd I approach this chick! Get me outta here"? Imagine if she was like "Sorry DK, you made the approach. Now you've gotta marry me. You're locked the fuck in."

Yeah happened a couple of times, but the reverse happened as well girls I saw as practice but up close suddenly struck me with their beauty and were a great surprise. "Sorry DK, you made the approach. Now you've gotta marry me. You're locked the fuck in." -> Lol yeah I'm gonna pass up on that one. This is good reverse psychology to understand the other side and the pressure they must be feeling despite giving AI.

If she's giving you AIs with a chump boyfriend, maybe she's getting tired of him and wants to get out. Girls often test the waters and set up their rebound options before they hit the exit ramp a lot of the time. That might be you.

We'll see, but I won't aim at her that is for sure, she will need to make it easy for me, I won't give priority again without good cause. I have ignored multiple girls because she was my focus and I didn't want to push her into AR.

Well, that's the game, dude. If you're gonna flip a table and stomp all over the pieces every time you don't win, ain't no one gonna wanna play with you, I can tell you that much...

Haha yeah I did get a bit vengeful did I not?

You might poke it with a stick for a while to see if it's just messing around, but if it still does not react you're going to lose interest and go do something else.

Yeah alright I get the idea, but that one girl is from a year ago and I genuinely lost interest with her. I don't need to hit every window with every girl. Yesterdays girl I will leave a window open, the other girl, after 1 year.. rather not. This is not even about ego (she got a bit more chubby)

Well, when you are a cool, attractive guy, you WILL get the social connector chicks who are hot and popular and always on the lookout for cool guys to roll into their groups. A lot of the time they will use the same approach invitations before they meet you that interested women will.

I see, I never made this discernment because for me the idea of AI has always been shag/date whatever you want to call it. Actually @fog also mentioned the same as you did in the chat.

Rather than auto-reject the connector type chicks, if you figure out she's that why not just screen her on what her circle is like, what kind of people she hangs out, and what kind of parties and events she goes to, and figure out if she's a worthwhile connection?

Alright sounds pragmatic. And what pissed me off at first was I saw this ordeal as a "bait and switch", hence my grievance. But if her original goal was being a connector there was no bait and switch. And thus no fuss. I felt baited... Perhaps I should assume less malice in this case.

Plus, if you end up laying a few of her friends, and she suddenly finds herself single, guess what often happens?

Cool perk, but I was not aiming for the long game although I understand what you are trying to say and yes, that is quite the benefit.

Need to keep that in mind, man...

Yeah thanks for the feedback. I obviously slipped yesterday and got pissed. Then I read your newsletter today about how girls should be reactive towards you instead you towards them and I felt how I am fucking up "what the hell am I doing?". I'm more steady now. Was a good reminder.

First I didn't see this as social circle game because it was not my intention to prolong this over multiple occurences, still is not by the way. I only joined due to her warmth. Not gonna opt for being one hour there just for her again, perhaps and only if I want to be there. This probably raised my expectation a bit too much. Also my takeaway from this is that I need to be more discerning between connectors and girls who want something to happen, this is a dimension I never really needed to take into consideration..

Through social circles I am actually getting a lot of interest.. and girls vying for me (I am a bit picky though), but I guess with this girl who I genuinely liked and what I experienced as a bait and switch I slipped up somewhat. Will not happen again. She didn't experience any of this though.. in field I am cool as ice. Rather on the boards than infield.

As always your reply is valued, thank you

Chase by the way do you have good pointers at how to discern between connectors and girls who are out for fucking. Because the AIs they give are the same you say..

 

[Chad Tyrone]

Test for compliance and how they are responding to you.A chick seeking connection wouldn't wanna risk losing the value she gets from you ,whether implicit of offered .She wouldn't want things to get that sexual.

Whereas a chick that is just horny would be willing to move things forward and comply with your requests.She wouldn't mind things getting sexual if you are doing things right.

So yeah use compliance to gauge.

Chad Tyrone

 

[DarkKnight]

A chick seeking connection wouldn't wanna risk losing the value she gets from you ,whether implicit of offered .She wouldn't want things to get that sexual.

Hmm actually quite good point. (I swear connection girls are boring as fuck lol)...

edit: are there other traits, like a person being extra social? Being adapt at managing or wanting to manage people ?

 

[Chase]

Good, sounds like you're getting your head cleared on it, yeah.

I can understand the bait-and-switch feeling. So much of life is expectations. Go in with the wrong ones, end up unpleased and pissed... but as you expand your reference points, your expectations become more encompassing, and it becomes a lot harder to throw you off.

Re: identifying connector girls, yeah, like @Chad Tyrone says, and the extra social bit you mention too. I would mainly sum it up as:

• Extra cheerful / chipper vibe that is almost TOO happy/excited.
• Tend to ask about what you do for fun, how often you go out, etc.
• Compliance-resistant, especially when it comes to escalation.
• Resistant to leaving the frame they are in / stepping into yours if yours is different.
• Unless she is the very flirty type, usually you will not be able to sense or elicit any sexual vibes from her at all.

Chase