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Virgin101

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Remembering the Logic to the Conversation

Although it's good to not think logically most of the time during game - like say when responding to jokes - a lot of the time it's important to actually remember the logical aspect of things too. Take this girl the other night, who asked me if I'd a lighter. I said I didn't have one and we got talking. A while later she asked me to dance! Now put yourself in this situation; because at this point I replied with "don't you need to have your cigarette?". In this situation most guys would get somewhat carried away with the eventfulness of it all, and completely forget that was actually just about to have a cigarette. Of course the reason me saying that being as an easy way to force her to invest more.

Another time for example two girls approached me, and only one of them seemed to be doing the talking. When the other one finally spoke, instead of just responding to what she said, I came out with "oh she finally speaks". Now most guys would just in some way respond to what she said. In my case after saying "she finally speaks" I turned to her friend and said "I think she's beginning to come out of her shell a bit". A witty remark like this breaks the ice further, and buys you time to think, all while also showing her that she needs to work for your answers. It's especially important to prolong the conversation if you feel you're running out of things to say.

Now I only responded the way I did because my night was going well and I was very comfortable at the time. What I'm interested in, is how can you be become so familiar with certain situations, that certain things become second nature to you, even if you're not feeling to confident. Of course a lot of PUA tactics completely depend on the girl forgetting the logic of your opener. Especially with false time constraints are used... because one moment you're pretending you've to be somewhere, and yet if your opener goes well, you'll be spending your time with the girl.

So it's amazing how easy the girl will forget the logic of a conversation... once you've passed that shit test that's it! You never need to re-sit it in any way. For example, often when I'm asked by girls who I'm with when I'm in a busy bar, I just go with the ole "it's a friend's birthday" or "they're in the smoking area" excuse. But when I'm pulling them out the door half an hour later, I never get a "but wait now, where's your friend? don't you need to let them know...". You see what I mean? They forget the logic of the interaction!

Does any one have any thoughts about what level of confidence or situational awareness it would take to be able to respond such a way? Because the interesting thing, is that if you were sitting down in your own living room with people you know, with no background noise, it would be a lot easier to be aware of the other things that people are doing while they're talking to you.
 

trashKENNUT

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V10,

Virgin101 said:
Does any one have any thoughts about what level of confidence or situational awareness it would take to be able to respond such a way? Because the interesting thing, is that if you were sitting down in your own living room with people you know, with no background noise, it would be a lot easier to be aware of the other things that people are doing while they're talking to you.

You mean more of like how to control your vibe when girls suddenly ask random questions or frame control?

You can learn to be aware but it takes some time, and
you don't always aware of all things.

For the ordinary man, it's difficult. For me, who is self aware, is already difficult to trace many things. I can only be aware of things, not always know where they headed in the long term.

Zac
 

Smurf

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Hey man!

I like the idea of it. I sometimes get caught up in a good mood and forget to lead things somewhere. I think in most situations its best to take the conversation in a direction that's gonna get you closer to pulling or get more compliance from her.

Take this girl the other night, who asked me if I'd a lighter. I said I didn't have one and we got talking. A while later she asked me to dance! Now put yourself in this situation; because at this point I replied with "don't you need to have your cigarette?"

Here I think it would be best to go dance with her for a bit then take her back out to have her cig. You'd get to move her twice and then isolate afterwards. The initial reason she came up doesn't really matter, now you guys are talking. What you can do is use it to call back after you guys have had a good time dancing: "Hey its kinda hot, you wanna have that cigarette now?" Here you don't want to go back to logic right away, rather use it as a call back to then isolate.

Your seeing example is pretty spot on. You reward her for her investment and then continue from there.

The only time I think logic should be used is when you're isolated her deep diving or if you're not being "real" enough. If the conversation packs comfort from your end you should sprinkle some in to bring your attainability back in line and show you're not just this fun guy but also have some depth to you.

The easiest way to become Familiar with this is to go experience it. No night is ever the same and shit will catch you off guard at first. After a while though, you'll start seeing a pattern and that's when it gets fun and you can experiment with different reactions to the same situation. You just need to put yourself in that situation enough times that you have a general idea of what will happen. This will make you comfortable with it and you can try different things.

Jake.
 
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