FR++ I don't like Asians

[fsc]

I'm Korean btw.

I noticed a hot blonde in short jean shorts get off her bicycle and stand in place staring at her phone.

Me: Excuse me...
Her: What's up? (Said really quickly in a sharp tone and looking at me with a "WTF does this guy want?" look)
Me: I was just sitting over there, and I had to come tell you that you have amazing legs
(She continues to look at me with the "WTF ..." look for another half-second, and I try hard to maintain my smile. I prepare for a possible kick to my nuts)
Her: OMG REALLY?! THANK YOU! (Her expression completely flips and she gets all lit up and jolly)
Me: Yeah, did you get all that from biking?
Her: No, I also run a lot. OMG, I've been working on my legs a lot, thank you! What's your name?

We exchange some basic information, and I moderately deep dive on one or two topics. She asks me about myself and stuff too, so that was cool.

Her: So what do you do for fun?
Me: Lately I've been visiting the beach a lot and wandering around LA with my friends (daygaming...LULZ, but I can't tell her that)...
Her: (I noticed her expression become "meh..." I later find out that her roommate always drags her to the beach)
Me: ...And I've been hitting up this hookah spot in Hollywood pretty frequently. My friend knows the manager there so we get a neat discount.
Her: Ooh, how cool!
Me: Yeah, do you smoke?
Her: Yeah (with a "duhh" facial expression and "do I look like a little miss goody two shoes" body language)
Me: Haha, cool. We should smoke and hang out and do shit some time.
Her: Yeah! Give me your number!

I save my number in her phone, then I make the rookie mistake of not calling/texting myself because I got distracted talking to her as I'm entering my number. FUCK.

For two days I'm a bit pissed at myself because she gave me a pretty solid initial interaction, and I thought I lost her. Then she texts me. Fuck yes. Almost all of our texts were logistical texts in which we try to set something up. I didn't bother chatting her up via text because I felt like we built a decent connection in person already. We agree to "grab coffee or something next week", and I planned on hitting her up in a few days.

Then she calls me. Awesome. She asks what I'm up to because she's bored. I tell her I was about to head out to the gym, and she wants to tag along. Cool. We have pretty good conversation on the drive to the gym. She's a pretty good talker--she can talk, and she returns the conversation back to me as well. We get to the gym and I teach her how to box. She's a lot of fun and looks really cute throwing these cutesy punches at the heavy bag. We also spar for a bit, and she punches me with full strength, holding nothing back. I like this girl haha. I slip one of her punches, rotate around her, and smack her ass. I expected her to be playful, but she gives a bland response. Bleh, whatever.

Fuck up:
At one point, she asks me what she should do if someone tries to rape her. I straight up tell her some things she can do. FUCK.
Well, next time, I'll be doing some actual physical demonstrations where I'll grab her from behind and get a little touchy, rather than standing in front of her and lecturing. Oh well, we learn from our mistakes right? If any of you GCers practice martial arts, this is something you can do with a girl. Just bring up self-defense to transition into this.

We agree to shower then meet up again for dinner as I drop her off. We start the dinner off on a bad note.

Her: So this is what Japanese people eat huh? (We had sushi. It was expensive but I was craving it)
Me: Yeah, more or less. What's the typical meal for Russians?
Her: Why do you keep asking me that? I don't know! My family is really Americanized and shit! I don't know anything Russian!
Me: Haha my bad, damn (playfully, smiling). So what do you usually eat then, other than straight up butter? (She mentioned earlier how she accidentally ate a stick of butter thinking it was ice cream)

Whew. Conversation became better after that. She really starts talking when we reach the topic of religion because she grew up with really religious and strict parents, and she's quite the rebel. Although she's easy to talk to, she doesn't really give me too many opportunities where I can subtly and smoothly sexualize things. She did openly (but briefly) talk about sex here and there, but she also seemed closed off at the same time. Like, it seemed like her mind was saying "Oh, here I go again, talking about sex. Let's get this over with real quick and return to nonsexualness".

Me: So what were some other jobs you've had before?
Her: I was a Christian camp counselor last summer before I got kicked out
Me: What did you do? Did you orchestrate an orgy for your kids or something? I could totally see you doing that
Her: Haha yeah, I could have, but no. I...(blah blah about why she got kicked out)

So I felt unsure about continuing the whatever sex talk we were having because she'd finish the topic, and it would've been unsmooth and awkward of me to start talking about orgies again, in that particular example. I just figured she might be nervous and horny. When the dinner started off badly, I initially thought "Hmm, why is she all bitchy? Does she wanna skip the dinner and fuck?". Also she couldn't really maintain eye contact--she looked downward most of the time when we were sitting face to face, or straight ahead when we were walking side by side. When she did match my eye contact, I saw mostly what I interpreted as nervousness. So instead of going to smoke hookah after dinner, which was the original plan, I decided to try to pull.

Me: So do you have previous experience bartending? (She's trying to become one)
Her: No, actually
Me: Hmm, my friend isn't at the hookah spot yet. Do you wanna practice making that mixed drink you were talking about earlier until he calls me?
Her: Yeah, sure! I also wanna check out your frat house. Let's go get the ingredients.

NIIIIICE. We play a round of ping pong and fussball, then we head up to my room to chill. I play the Modal Soul album by Nujabes (the entire album is awesome as fuck) on my computer. She grabs my deck of cards and suggests we play. She seems nervous.

Her: Let's play here (pointing to my desk)
Me: (As I'm sitting down on my bed) nah, that's awkward and uncomfortable. Play here so we can be face to face.

She complies. We start playing and she continues talking. I try to set up a smooth opportunity for me to escalate because I just feel like she might not react well to me kissing her suddenly. She talks about how she lived in a Christian guest house or whatever in the past, and how the house manager kept checking on her to see if she didn't have people over. Perfect.

Her: Yeah, it was really gay. He'd look into my window to make sure I wasn't having sex and shit.
Me: Well, fortunately for us, we don't have anyone like that in our house. So no one would care if we did this...

Then I leaned in to kiss her. Motherfucking LMR. I get off of her and lay next to her with her head on my shoulder.

Her: I thought we were just gonna chill
Me: We can chill and make out at the same time
Her: Haha that's so high school
Me: What do college folks do then? Listen to music and play cards all night?
Her: Haha

I try again. She pushes me away again.

Her: I'm really bad at this
Me: It doesn't matter
Her: No, I really suck

Then she goes off talking about another topic.

Her: How do you say "this is a really good song" in Korean?
Me: Blah blah in Korean
Her: Really? That's how you say it?
Me: No, I just said "what would you do if I kissed you right now?"
Her: OMG fsc! I told you! I'm bad at making out!
Me: You know what? I'll be the judge of that

YES. FINALLY. I pause after a bit, pull back, then look in her eyes. She seems indifferent.

Her: You use a lot of tongue
Me: Duh, what else am I supposed to do? Use my teeth?

Then I "make out" with her using my clenched teeth. She laughs. I resume making out properly, and I grab one of her arms and put it around my neck. She then puts her other arm around me and really gets into it. After a bit of kissing her neck, playing with her tits and sucking on them, I unbutton her shorts.

Her: No. I'm on my period. And...I don't really like Asians.

Umm...what? Then she explains why she's annoyed of Asians and stuff. Plausible story. She's really sorry, but I'm cool with it. I don't really mind--it is what it is. I'll just find another girl who's actually into Asians. We just talk about relationships and shit for the rest of the time she's over. I make out with her two or three more times and play with her tits. I ask her to remove her top so I can properly massage them. She still complies. I kiss her inner thighs and dry hump her too.

Then we leave to drop her off.

Me: Soo what do you think of me now?
Her: I think you're starting to grow on me. I really enjoyed talking to you. I feel like you actually listen. For the first time since I've moved to LA, you were the first guy to really let me talk. I feel like I haven't talked about myself in a while. I mean, just two days ago I was at a rooftop bar, and this guy talked to me about himself for 45 minutes then asked me if I wanted to be his girlfriend. What the fuck?

LOLs. You know what? I'm fine with that. As a guy who was deathly afraid of talking to girls a year ago because I didn't know how to talk, hearing that made my night. Thank you GC, Chase, other writers, and members of the forum.

I hope this post helps out the newcomers, and let me know if I could've done anything better. My current sticking point is sexualizing the interaction, so If you have any strategies, let me know. Thanks.

 

[fsc]

 

[Smith]

Hey fsc,

Good job on getting this close! You were almost there. Glad you changed the plan and pulled her home.

Umm...what? Then she explains why she's annoyed of Asians and stuff. Plausible story. She's really sorry, but I'm cool with it. I don't really mind--it is what it is. I'll just find another girl who's actually into Asians. We just talk about relationships and shit for the rest of the time she's over. I make out with her two or three more times and play with her tits. I ask her to remove her top so I can properly massage them. She still complies. I kiss her inner thighs and dry hump her too.

I think you could re-frame this, or cut her off when she's explaining. It's cool that you didn't let it bother you and get angry. Real class =) Talk about stories where your friend hook up with a girl who wasn't his 'ethnic' type. You were pretty close to getting inside her, and she was giving your compliance....u were almost there... just need to finger her then put your...

- Smith

 

[Ross]

This was a fun one to read fsc, I really enjoyed your wit throughout the interaction.

As for the ending, I think you managed quite well. You escalated quickly once you pulled her, and even though it seems like she may not have been 100% into it at the beginning you managed to be smooth about it which really got her more into it. Sometimes kissing and touching a girl are enough to completely change her mind about you.

My current sticking point is sexualizing the interaction, so If you have any strategies, let me know. Thanks.

I think you're doing quite fine with the kino to be honest. A lot of guys wonder how they can start sexualizing their interactions, and they instantly over-touch women. Doing it occasionally is usually enough.

One area that you might want to take a look at is incorporating sex talk in the right way. Let's take a look at the example that you used.

Me: So what were some other jobs you've had before?
Her: I was a Christian camp counselor last summer before I got kicked out
Me: What did you do? Did you orchestrate an orgy for your kids or something? I could totally see you doing that
Her: Haha yeah, I could have, but no. I...(blah blah about why she got kicked out)

If you're really wanting to talk about sex, you're going to have to bring it up as the primary topic line. In this scenario, you start off a thread by talking about jobs - that's the topic. This is the point where you're going to have to bring up sex if you want to, "So, do you have an crazy sex stories to tell? Did you orchestrate an orgy at your Christian camp or something?"

However, the primary topic line was jobs, so she starts thinking about jobs and shares her past one, then thinks about that and shares it, rather than going off of the orgy line. It's not a bad thing that this happened - she shared some information about herself. But if your objective is to talk about and incorporate sex, you're going to have to talk about that after a prior conversation thread has been cut.

Another tip - I didn't see much talk that was strictly between you two. What I mean by this is that a lot of the dialogue consists of her sharing something about herself, you listening then asking her to share more about herself. Which is a great thing to do, but it lacked a certain personal aspect where no connection is being drawn between what she is sharing and what you are thinking.

A good way to cement something that she just shared is to reflect your own personal insights on the matter. Here's a few examples, where I've added a connection point in bold/italics.

Her: OMG REALLY?! THANK YOU! (Her expression completely flips and she gets all lit up and jolly)
Me: Yeah, did you get all that from biking?
Her: No, I also run a lot. OMG, I've been working on my legs a lot, thank you! What's your name?
Me: Wow, I love girls who run. I'm fsc.

(Giving her your personal approval)

Me: Yeah, do you smoke?
Her: Yeah (with a "duhh" facial expression and "do I look like a little miss goody two shoes" body language)
Me: Haha, cool. I think we'd get along well, We should smoke and hang out and do shit some time.
Her: Yeah! Give me your number!
Me: (after she hands me her phone) Wow, you're already getting my digits so you can get me out on a date. You move fast.

(Reinforcing that you get along well & a chase frame)

You've got logistics, deep diving, closing, and opening down - just a few tweaks to your mid-game and LMR will show up less and less often.

 

[fsc]

Thank you, Smith and Ross.

Yeah, it's pretty hard to piss me off. I think we ended on a good note, so if she chooses to see me again, then I should be golden. If not, then I'll do better with a new girl who doesn't have a negative sentiment toward Asians.

Ross, your response triggered one of those light-bulb-lighting moments in my head, especially with those last two pointers where you modified my dialogue. I've improved in relating while deep diving, but I've been forgetting to follow up like that in your pointers because I've been too focused on trying to catch opportunities to make sexual innuendos/comments/statements and opportunities to physically escalate. I feel more capable now. You're a beast.

 

[fsc]

Waaaait hold up...

Did I just "brute force" this girl, who wasn't even attracted to me, into my bed by providing good conversation, by transitioning and leading smoothly, and with dominance and confidence?

I feel like that's a possibility now.

When I initially approached her, one of the questions I asked was:
Me: And are you from around here?
Her: Yeah, I just moved here from Seattle 2 weeks ago. So I don't really have any friends.
Me: Haha...I'll be your friend then

I feel like THAT mixed with "we should hang out" may have put me in the friend category while she totally forgot about me opening her about her legs. I'm thinking she may have complied to move with me throughout the night because she had nothing else to do and thought we were hanging out--not because she was attracted and we were on a date. Furthermore, one of her LMRs was "I thought we were just gonna chill", and she asked me quite a few questions on the way back to her house at the end of the night that was pretty much all sexual topics--as in NOW she's starting to see me in a sexual light (my fault...I should've covered them during dinner). One of the things she stated on the way back to her place was "hmm...not many people start talking to girls by telling them they have nice legs". I feel like she may have JUST remembered this and connected the dots--my opener and my end actions. I DEFINITELY needed to have a better sexual vibe throughout the interaction prior to the pull. I feel like that would've cleared the air.

I don't know. Maybe I'm just overthinking. I'm not sure if this even really matters since she said I'm starting to grow on her. She also knows what I'm about via my actions, I told her I'm not looking for a girlfriend (neither is she looking for a boyfriend), and she knows one of my craziest sex stories which involved me tying up a girl in my back seat and fake raping her. So I feel like she has two clear-cut choices for me: fuck buddy zone and the no-because-he's-Asian zone.

What do you think? Did I manage to brute force my way though?

 

[Smith]

I'm sure she probably guessed it but wasn't completely sure until you kissed her. Girls are way more sensitive to this kinda stuff than guys.

Did I just "brute force" this girl, who wasn't even attracted to me, into my bed by providing good conversation, by transitioning and leading smoothly, and with dominance and confidence?

lol 'brute force'? na u did good.

 

[PrettyDecent]

fsc,

Good plays throughout your FR.

What do you think? Did I manage to brute force my way though?

Hmm...well, I think she saw you more than as a "friend" since your introductions - but your dominance and smooth playing definitely did help.

So I feel like she has two clear-cut choices for me: fuck buddy zone and the no-because-he's-Asian zone.

You know, I think her bringing up this Asian thing was originally token resistance - but then the thread was expanded, and the reasoning cemented in her head. If she actually wasn't into Asians, she wouldn't have greeted you delightfully in the opener, she wouldn't have texted you, and she definitely wouldn't have been making out with you while you were rubbing her tits.

She was more insecure about her own body/sexual abilities/whatever, and she was throwing out reasons why logically she shouldn't sleep with you. You're move here after was good, though - back to making out - and then this:

I kiss her inner thighs and dry hump her too.

Then we leave to drop her off.

What was happening in between here? Did she mention that she had to leave and you were like "cool beans", or did you suggest to give her a ride home...?

Anyways, if she's up for seeing you again, don't think you'll have too much resistance to sex (at least from my experiences similar to this).

Keep up the solid work, and hopefully see this sucker turn LR!

~Nick

 

[fsc]

Thanks Nick and Smith.

I brute forced it. Text today:

Me: How did the interview go? Down for celebration/consolation dessert later? 11:50 AM
Her: Nope. Im working ) fuck yeah 11:52 AM
Me: Wait wut 11:56 AM
Her: Uhh im working aka I got the job 11:57 AM
Me: Nooice congrats. So it's a celebration dessert then. You were saying nope to that or fuck yeah? 11:58 AM
Her: Im saying nope to you and dessert 11:59 AM
Me: Lols that's what I thought I read. So what time shall I pick you up 12:01 PM
Me: On a serious note though, good luck with the bar and everything. It was nice meeting you and your fun personality. Take care 12:10 PM
Her: Thanks fsc! Yeah your always welcome to stop by there. Its the [BAR NAME]. But its like [RIVAL SCHOOL] territory so...I dunno how you feel about that 12:14 PM
Me: I'll make sure to come dressed in [MY SCHOOL] gear from hat to shoes. When do you start? Let me know when it's not busy so I can chit chat with you. 1:07 PM
Her: Uh huh...well we can speak more about both my love for gingers and my passionate hatred for your ethnicity oh and also my bitchyness about how thats racist as fuck and that your STILL trying to get with me despite how out of line and rude I am. I mean c'mon. What would your parents say. 1:19 PM

LOLOLOLOL! The no-because-he's-Asian zone it is.

I kiss her inner thighs and dry hump her too.

Then we leave to drop her off.

What was happening in between here? Did she mention that she had to leave and you were like "cool beans", or did you suggest to give her a ride home...?

We were just talking, and I was sporadically making out with her mouth, tits, stomach, and inner thighs.

Her: I'm really bad at this
Me: It doesn't matter
Her: No, I really suck

Then she goes off talking about another topic.

In between there, I also told her "Hey, if you feel uncomfortable in any way, feel free to say so. I'm not gonna get butthurt or anything. I'll just take you home or whatever". Then she stayed, so cool beans. I also positioned myself so that I wasn't blocking her path to the door. She could've ran out of my room in like 0.8 seconds.



LOL

 

[Rtodd201]

HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA,

Fsc I've read your FR late last night and i'll admit it kind of stuck with me. Unlike some of the other guys I totally thought you brute forced it( goes to show you are throwing some hot fire bro). I've totally been shot down by whitey before and IDK if I would have handled it as well as you did. Beast.

However, if those tits were out and my mouth and hands were that close to her pussy I would have definitely pushed for sex hard. IMO you totally could have fucked her but giving her a chance to come up for air allowed the racist operation system that runs the hamster wheel she calls a brain to reboot.

Keep at it bro,

Rocco