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mist

Tool-Bearing Hominid
Tool-Bearing Hominid
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I went to Casey’s General store to get quarters ones day. Then I met this girl there! She was pretty attractive. Also a manager

I tried to go for a number close but it did not work. She insisted on giving me her Facebook.

Whatever. I usually don’t fuck with social media. Makes me feel like a fan or some shit!

But I was like fuck it and took it. I added her, but had like zero expectations. In fact I had negative expectations. I'm working on it. I just don't like social media and may text dynamics, but then again most people don't like what they suck at. No excuses.

Anyway after a very lonely and conflicting day I randomly to message her while sitting out in my car.

“ Wassup HB7, I saw a picture of Freud as a kid on my feed and you popped into my head.” ( She majors in psychology at my school, but online school. Also I stole this ping format from @Tony D. Love him.)

About 1 hour later

Her
“ What is Freud lol”

Oh shit she’s dumb.

Me
“ Don’t worry about it lol, he might’ve been good. What you up to in this cornfield town? Make any dreams come true today?”

No reply crickets. Well whatever I didn’t expect anything

Let’s fast forward a couple more lonely days. Been a lonesome day with bleak news. After a disappointing date and a series of sobering realities. Can’t sleep.

I get a message.

Her
“ Whaaat sorry I just saw this” 12:58=

Me
“ A message at 1:00. I’m a lady HB7. I don’t do booty calls anymore ” 1:00

(Stole this from Skills. Thank you friend)

Her
“ Neither do i where are you though?” 1:01


Me
“ In My Apartment….
Being good” 1:02


Her
“ Where tho?” 1:03

Me
“ ‍ I just wanted to be good tonight. [My Apartment Location]” 1:04

Her
“ I was gonna see if you’d buy my friend alcohol actually sir” 1:05

Me
“ Yeah right. That’s what they all say then we end up waking up the next day a mess” 1:08

Her
“ Noo lol I promise” 1:09

Me
“ You’re all horny monsters. I’m helpless . Pics of your “friend” (if she even exists)” 1:13

She sends the pic of her and her friend

She has a nice Midwestern girl shape.

Her
“ We don’t wanna do anything lol, just want drinks. And I’ll come pick you up and tip you.” 1:15

Me
“ yeah yeah. come in 20 minutes” 1:18

Her
“ You are 21 right lol” 1:21

Me
“ .........Money is.” 1:23

Her
“ You Are Not Then?”

I'm not looking at her I'm bored. I don’t reply. I don’t care. Sometimes silence is the best answer. It's direct and people can't handle tension. Words take energy.

Her
“ I’m coming lol”

Good girl. I give her a thumbs up.

I shower really quick and put on some stuff that’ll make me look less like I’m 18 haha. I have no clue how old she is. Older than me I’d guess. My plan is to give her cash then attempt to get some head or something.

Her
" Here"

I walk do a vocal exercise and check my posture. I’m exhausted. This will be a frame battle with a ton of shit tests. Plus the objective of getting alcohol is impossible for me. Whatever here goes nothing. Could be interesting. Might get laid.

I get outside and see a dude driving. My set is sitting next to me and her friend in the front. She looks nice, but goddamn why is he here.

Me
“ Wassup. This a group night?"

Her friend
" Hi! Yeah."

My set
“ You’re 21 right?”

Me
“ ............Money is.”

Her male friend chimes in
“ Goddamn is this gonna work. Is he even 21?”

Her female friend
“ How old are you”

Me
“ huh”

My set
“ Are you 21?”

Me
“ Just get cash stop it with these questions.”

The guy
“ Hold on bro how old are you because if you aren’t 21 this won’t work.”

He goes on and on
“ I’m like are you the fbi or something bro sheesh just get the cash. I don’t drink.”

They start laughing

My set
“ fuck it let’s try.”

Her male friend
“ Are you high? How high are you?”

Me
“ Huh”

They start laughing

People think I’m high sometimes. I have a lazy way of speaking sometimes haha. Disarms people.

Me
“ Just get the cash.”

They start laughing

Female Friend
" We have the cash. Haha! Unless you'll pay?"

Me
"....................."

Female friend
" Guess that's a no haha."

Me pointing at a mural
" That's a nice painting."

Jokes about being high and me being nonchalant just chilling. I ask them some questions about where they are from and where they are headed. Just engaging with my sets friends casually.

Me
“ I don’t even know your names and you’ve been grilling me for my life story........... You Police Detectives............ These are your friends HB7?”

At this point my set introduces them after they laugh.

I haven’t laughed. Sort of sad too. Bad news all day. I can mask it well though. Just focus on the set and enjoying being an asshole not answering questions.

My set introduces her friends and the guy shakes my hand. He’s like

“ I’m [male name] not [female name].”

I decide to call the guy by the female friends name. They think I’m high and it’s funny to tool him.

I say “ It’s nice to have another lady in here. Makes me feel safer.”

The female friend starts busting out.

“ Are you trans?”

Me
“ Huh?”

The friend
“ How many genders are there?”

Me
“ ……………Well shit you asked. How many are there?”

The male friend
“ TWO”

The female friend pointing at her male friend
“ He’s trans haha.”

He accepts it and then he turns around and says he’s had a dick and balls for 19 years. I'm ok with this guy. He sucks.

I’m not really invested. I just keep calling him the female friends name. Treating him like a girl.

Anyway they pull up to a Casey’s

I’m looking around.

My Set says
" Look at me."

I look at her

My set
“ Alright you need an ID. In here. Do you have an ID?”

Me
“ Just give me the cash.”

Female friend
“ What if he runs off with it!?”

Me
“ What the hell. I won’t”

My set hands me the cash.

It’s showtime. I’m not going to be able to get this alcohol from the worker no matter what and furthermore I don’t drink so I have no clue what alcohol they are talking about .

I step out of the car. My goal is to get these guys alcohol. I think of my options and remember a time a dude bought me alcohol for no reason. I didn’t even ask. This time I would. Just for the pussy.

I’m looking for someone over 21

All that matters is that I get the alcohol.

The worse that happens is that I can’t get it. In that case nothing really happens I don’t expect much. If I get the chance then I’ll try to pull HB7.

I pace outside for a moment. Calming any nerves and getting any thought but success out/ accepting the absolute worse outcome.

Time to use my cold approach skills. But for alcohol this time.

I approach my first set

Light tap on his shoulder.

Me
“ Hey are you 21?” Probably too much uptone.

1st set
“ Fuck no.”

Well what can you expect when you supplicate.

Me
“ oh ok.”

There’s another adult looking dude.

Me
“ Are you 21?” No supplication. He’s hooked. I am direct eye contact.

Him
“ Yeah why?” Skeptical look.

Me
“ Can you do me a favor? Get this alcohol for me.”

Him
“ ……………….No I don’t do that for people I don’t know.”

Me
“ What do you mean?” Smile” We’re old friends.”

He smiles

His frame is cracking

Him
“ I’m sorry I just don’t”

Me
“ What‘s your name?”

He tells me and shakes my hand

Me
“ See we’re old friends ( his name)”


Him
“ If I had my ID I’d do it.”

Me
“ Hmm you look old enough. Just take this cash and see what happens.”

Him
“ They ID you here.”

Me
“ C’mon (his name) you have a glorious beard.”

Him
“ ………..I can’t sorry man.”

Me
“ Please. We’ll give you some.”

It’s over I shake his hand and say

Me
“ I’ll let you go (his name).”

Smile and leave for another target.

See a group of young looking people. Fuck it

Me
“ Are you 21?”

Him
“ No.”

I’m just like ok

Him
“ In 5 years hit me up.”

I don’t care I’m on a mission. I walk away with a smile.

Then right as I’ve hit a wall

I see one more guy.

New strategy.

Get his name first.

Raised voice no supplication. Confident step

Me
“ What’s your name man?”

Me
“ ( his name)”

Firm handshake, slight smile, and solid eye contact.

He’s hooked, intrigued.

Me
“ Can you do me a favor ( his name)”

A little more motion in my tone, but I’m still high power due to delivery and high contact.

Him
“ what?”

Me
“ Can you get me some ( name of the alcohol)”

Silence for the moment

I pull the money out for him

Him
“ Ok. What brand again.”

Oh my lord! Thank god! I couldn’t believe it. I faked like it was natural though. Persistence pays!

Me
“ Um I’m not sure. Come with me.”

Gotta make sure it’s the right drink. He looks like he knows.

He follows me

Him
“ ...........cops...

I didn't hear him clearly. I was hoping he didn't just say the word cops but I caught that.

Me
" Huh?" Blank face

Him
" You're not the cops right." Wasn't really a question it was an accusation

Me Hands up
“ Jesus no! Far from it”

He's still following me, but we need to address this objection.

Once we’re out the door

Me
“ I’m just trying to get laid.”


Him
“ Oh ok bro.”

Thank you man! I love you.

We get out there and walk up to the car

I motion for the male friend to roll down the windows. He does it.

Me
“ This is my old friend ( his name). What drinks are you getting.”

They're flabbergasted haha.

They tell him. I just look at the stars.

My new friend
“ Ok!

He has the money and goes in.

I follow suit. I look at snacks and contemplate whether or not he ran off with the number. I check the back door. It smells faintly like him. His breath smelled alcoholic.

He could rob us and that’d be it. I went to check. I visualized what I’d say if he did. Then walked back in and accidentally bumped into a dude while thinking

Me
“ Oh sorry dude.”

I pat his shoulder.

I’m looking down.

Him
“ Oh hey!”

Oh shit this person knows me.

I don’t recognize the voice right now. I look up

For those of you who read my logistics journal you'll know I brought up how small this place is haha the potential wildcard and social circle things. Anyway guess who it is.

IT’S MY FUCKING TEACHER!

Why is he here at 2:00 Am? Fuck.

“ [teachers name]”

I sort of blank out at this point I see my friend carrying the beer. What a relief to see he didn’t run away with the money.

I’m just talking about small talk bullshit with my teacher I'm always around him. He's deep social circle and a mentor figure.

He’d never imagine I just convinced this dude to buy me alcohol by cold approaching. That I’m here because a girl I cold approached 1 week ago hit me up after not looking at my message and I used a stolen text line to frame her as the chaser. That I want to fuck her. That there’s a possibility I might.

It’s very charring. Funny even. Having my two worlds collide. I really feel like I have a double life.

I sent him an email earlier telling him what’s going on.

Him
“ How are you.”
Me
“ Not so good.” I’m very positive though so it doesn’t really stick. I just smile.
Him
“ Not so good huh.”
Me
"………… no” silence
Me
“ How did your performance go!”

We talk a bit about it.

I tell him I wish I could’ve gone. We walk to where I can see the dude I asked to buy beer buying beer.

My small talk is ok.

I ask him if he saw the email.

He says he didn’t.

It’s break why would he check his email.

He’s never guess why I’m here and what I’m doing. Why I keep looking at that dude.

I see my friend walk out. He has the alcohol.

I tell my teacher don’t worry about it and we start walking towards the door. I say goodbye!

I feel bad for being so short, but my teacher is one of my mentors. Honestly when he sees my email he might chalk up some of my weird behavior to that. Not too worried.

We walk out at the same time. I hope to god he doesn’t see that guy giving them alcohol then me getting in too haha. He’s pretty cool though. He makes fun of our boss haha. But this is my life. I’m a private guy.

It’s bad taste for people you work with to know too much about you IMO. He doesn’t have to know seducer Mist exists. I’m Cool Guy Student Mist to him. Only that.

Anyway we split and he’s luckily not looking at the car full of underage drinkers with a older guy who I approached buying it. I walk by set 1 and 2 and their family as I’m approaching my car. They all stop talking and just look at me with a ton of intrigue. I’m blank looking at them I don’t even say goodbye. I wonder if any of them is cops haha. Just keep walking.

He’s in the car haha. Being pretty discrete.

Love to see it.

I head in on the side my girl is and open the door.

I make her sit in between us two. I want to get some contact.

Blah blah blah they talk a bit about money.

My friend reaches over HB7 giving me the changed.

The female friend is like
“ but I paid”

Me
“ I get the tip remember.”

My set
“ But you didn’t do anything”

Me
“ ..........huh”

I take the tip.

My friend is like well you guys enjoy yourself and I never did this.

The HB7 male friend

“ Are you guys really old friends?”

My friend says yes. He plays along haha! What the hell.

He then leaves off into the night and I’m like bye old friend

You might’ve gotten me laid you glorious bastard. :,)

I’m in the car the male friends back to bitching.

She scoots over to the other side.

I’m bored.

He’s like
“ Do you want to go home back to smoking or drive around.”
Me
“ Just drive.”

We’re chilling. My sets attraction seems a bit higher. I asked to wear her Maga hat.

She did not comply.

She said wear her male friends hat, but she called him a girls name.

I owned the frame in that car. I was the leader.

He’s driving we’re chilling having a good time. My set has really pretty eyes. I'm finally looking at her. We're not saying much.

I want to fuck her.

Her male friend keepsps asking stupid questions. I take none of them seriously. I'm playful. You don't deserve energy.

I notice he’s driving on my street.

He’s taking me home. Fuck

I have both girls at the palm of my fingers.

The female friend is like no don’t drop him off he’s so cool. Why are you dropping him off.

He makes excuses and shit about family photos. I start reaching for my keys.

I consider telling them to get into my car since he has to go home. Let’s have fun, but I’m exhausted.

My energy levels are gone.

He persists in cockblocking me. I just say.
“ Wow. So you’re just going to treat me like some hoe pick me up. Bang me and then dump me. Then tell me to get the fuck outta your car?”
“ Yeah.”
“ wow”
I grab my keys
“ Know what I’ll go for my own drive.”
“ Ok.”
I summarize the hangout then say
“ I didn’t even get to wear your hat HB7.”
Her
“ Next time.”

The girls seem to just be sitting there. Waiting. I felt a strong urge to tell them come with me. He’s busy let’s party.

I didn’t though. Persistence is key. I didn’t go all the way up until I got a no.

I exited the vehicle they said bye. They had their beer.

I got 5 dollars. Now I’m at the lake writing this thinking of all the work I have to do.

Well that’s life. Don’t know if I’ll respond if she hits me up again. I’ll probably just call her friend lame and tell her I’m picking her up then fuck her if I get another chance. I’m not interested in being their friend.

But anyway. Happy Labor Day I guess. I was sort of hoping while writing it’d turn into a magical LR. Like she’d message me after I drove away. Come get me and fuck me.

I guess it sort of did if LR means Loser Report. A man can dream right?

Nice to know my cold approach has improved so much though. I really credit all of that to my fundamentals.

More persistence and ending stronger probably would’ve worked.

Her male friend was weak. I probably could’ve peeled them away. They wanted fun. I wanted to smash. He was boring. He goes to my school. Definitely don’t want to know him. He kept trying to get the judge frame. Sorry man! I own the frame. You own the car and have these girls.

Girls just want to have fun.

Yet again I’m ambivalent. This sure will make for a funny story to those I choose to tell it to. I didn’t add every convo and some of this is shortened. A lot happened in a short amount of time.

Well anyway I gotta drive home. Long day today. I was half excited to finally get laid. Guess it wasn’t so. Next time I’ll bring more persistence to the table. Only eject when I get a no. I was too pussy to get told fuck of with a go bold or go home move. That’s what disappoints me.

I started to subtly care and assess too much near the end. I am tempted to say I could’ve pulled but I just don’t know. Been close for a long time. Gotta win.

It’s time to close.

........Fuck man...........

Peace
 
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mist

Tool-Bearing Hominid
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Hmm I debated whether or not to return. I ended this FU with negative energy. It might be valuable to showcase how I've used this to become better.

We become better not bitter. ( I stole that somewhere haha! I think it was from Denton. Shoutout Denton)

- My approach to the male friend.

I disliked him. I didn't see him as a threat, but I spent most of the time teasing him and diminishing his masculinity. Honestly besides his constant posturing, annoying immaturity, cockblocking behavior, and personality being undesirable to me I should've looked for more ways to befriend him. Honestly meeting his fire with even more dominant fire didn't really help much. The ladies enjoyed me, but he kicked me out of his car at the end haha.

I didn't include it, but there were moments he called me cool, he asked where I went to school, and thought I was very entertaining and interesting. I could've been like " You too man and just showed more warmth."

I played it way too hard, cool, and dominantly. I had done enough at a certain point I could've dropped it a bit and just been warmer in general.

- Accepting Social Media

Not sure how I feel about this move. Before intimacy, significant rapport, and a possible date in general contact information is just so low in odds. The frames I have available on texting are limited as well. I have a ton of unhelpful precedent in that front for my current goals. If I wanted to be needy or a girls friend then hell yeah. I can text for days. That shit is easy.

Texting as a lover though?

Needs development. Some of what skills posted seemed really cool and I loved trying out his text frame in this social media exchange. I think I got too rigid and locked into a entertainer frame in this case.

There was a ton of intrigue and I was pretty magnetic. But my lack of flexibility and warmth don't rub me the right way.

- Screening Harder For Worthwhile Sets

I do not have time. Perhaps I could lay this girl, but with what just happened. I don't find it likely.

I've been entertaining before. I'm naturally a pretty capitivating and funny guy. Not laid yet. Reactions are not Results.

This set refused to give me her number. Gave me her social media. Messaged me randomly at night, got me to come along with her, and told me to get them alcohol without doing anything for me besides giving me 5 dollars and a night where I had to assert the absolute coldest frame I possess. I question if I really owned the frame despite my dominance since ultimately I did her request without getting something equally in return and went through a ton of shit tests with brief moments of levity before getting kicked to the curb by her cockblocking male friend.

I was a monkey. A monkey trying to get laid. One thing looping in my head is how far I went for pussy. Ultimately despite how "cool" I was. She invested way less and was on the line way less than I was.

I handled being out of my element nice enough, but I stayed very cold. I wouldn't let them know anything about me. I barely knew my set so apart of me didn't want to fuck anything up by being more myself.

I must realize deeply that I am cool. That I am worthy of women. That anything she tries to disqualify me with is on her. I am worthy. I do not have to wear a shield. I can be warm.
- I Took A Chance

I went out of my comfort zone. A late night spontaneous drive around. I rolled with the punches the best I could and pulled away with a ton. After really thinking about what I've learned about my game from that night I feel it's a copout to have titled it " I Got 5 Dollars." I got more than that. Not pussy though. Yet.

Sure I was tired as hell. Made a irresponsible, impulsive, ego driven decision, yet I've pulled out of this situation way harder. Less needy, diminished ego, measured expectations, a realization of how much work I have to do and how random some things will be.

It was a night that really woke me up. Definitely freed me and further iterated the point that I am not special. Plus that I don't need state. State is icing not my base. My base is my principles and values (which admittedly need work after this).

- My Approach Anxiety Was Gone

I was prepared to walk away. I accepted failure and it wasn't personal. I was playing a numbers game to the best of my ability and in between approaches I made minor tweaks to up my next chances. I was cool, warm, persistent, and willing to move along if compliance was not there.

Ultimately my persistence paid off and someone said yes. After all those small tweaks and asking for the same thing I got it.

Now I must ask myself in life. Am I asking for it? Am I really Asking? I don't think I've REALLY REALLY been asking to get laid before. This will change. I'm asking for more. I'm not asking for an empty number, a boring date, your attraction, your friendship, a car ride with your friends to get you alcohol.

I'm asking for you to take me inside you. You'll like it.

When all of my focus went into that alcohol, I was screening and maneuvering for people willing to get it for me. I persisted with those who didn't have a outright knee-jerk reaction and if after then I'd exhausted my utility belt I wished them well and moved to another set. My persistence didn't burn the bridge at most they looked at me strangely, but it was whatever.

I found another person followed my process. They said yes. Because I asked they said yes. Because I asked my probability increased. Because I asked I closed. I wanted something pretty badly, was able to be cool about it, and persisted until finding leads that might help me get that outcome.

ASK. MOVE. PROCESS. BE WILLING TO LEAVE. PERSIST UP UNTIL YOU HAVE NOTHING LEFT AND IF THAT FAILS THEN WISH THEM WELL. ALWAYS ANOTHER PERSON TO ASK. SOMEONE WILL SAY YES. FUNDAMENTALS.

- I'm Using My Disappointment

Let's face it. If I could choose between a lesson and pussy- right now I'd choose pussy even if down the line this means WAY better quality and quantity of pussy.

That instant reward, validation, consummation would be so sweet.

These lessons aren't soft like I'd imagine a pussy is nor do they particularly draw you in. They are rough feedback.

Ultimately I am not happy with that set yesterday.
I felt small.
So Much Smaller.
I Felt Used Like a Bitch.
I Felt Like I Was Wasting My Time.
I Felt Like I Did Not Matter. My Work Was Not Enough.
I Felt Like I Did It To Myself. That Staying In Bed Would've Been More Efficient.

I felt a lot of things. Mostly negative, but there was excitement and thrill from doing all of this. This is my first taste of a girl hitting me back after not responding at an odd hour.

I credit this to not meeting enough women and taking enough action. I'm going to be putting myself in a lot of situations I don't quite get in order to burst through to the next stage. I'm getting better no matter how you look at it. More action is required.

- Frame

Even though the overarching frame had me investing way more than her and getting a social media close after about 2 years of refusing social medias. I did own my frame. They couldn't punk me. They couldn't lower my value outside of saying I was high. I was cool. The issue is that it was for them.

My aim wasn't seduction. It was ultimately damage control, social assertion, power. If my aim was truly seduction I wonder if I'd be writing a FU.

Plus I think I may of misapplied Skills text message even though it was fun. Before a lay I probably should not even jokingly make her promise she isn't going to do anything. Not sure. I usually feel pretty moronic on my phone. Still moving towards the mentalities of successful phone gamers. I'll get there soon enough! Because now it's on. The frame on most of my text messages with women I assume is " He's just an attractive guy in my pool." Thus I'm treated as one. I'm not special. They aren't thinking about me. That's ok. Why should they. Outside of trying to improve my dating life I am not thinking about women I number closed months ago.

Hell I found myself struggling to remember the name of the girl I hung out with off a cold approach number close haha. That's the first time I've ever seen someone cold approached again outside of the context of in person and off a phone call and a couple of texts. I imagine this is about 100x for an attractive woman.

Slightly off topic of this point, but going on a date with a woman I was not attracted to I think it finally clicked about the mind of a hot woman. On a meta level I kept thinking, this is what women must feel with a vast majority of the men courting them. This sucks. To top it off my date even bought me ice cream. It was nice but it did nothing.

That's some hot girl shit. I think I'm becoming a hot girl.

Furthermore I read Bismarck's LR--

Alek's contribution about frame really woke me up. I have work to do.

Key takeaway is that frame has an aim. There is no pointless frame truly. They are serving a function in each of your interactions. It is my job to set a frame useful for me in my interactions and if this is neglected I will find things significantly harder down the road especially if I can not artistically weave or match the frames set and it becomes a battle rather than a dance. This is my initial pulling anyway. I might be writing woowoo.

- My Approaches

These approaches utilized

1. I assumed the hook
2. Squared up with them
3. At least shook their hand
4. I asked them for something eventually
5. Eye contact
6. Playful but collected ( Not trying to entertain. I'm trying to get a result)
7. Persisted when I got a no
8. Attempted to turn round negative compliance
9. Screened for if speaking to them was even worthwhile
10. Did not get MAD AS HELL if I didn't have the ability to make something worthwhile

I'm definitely curious to see how things would've changed had I used more advanced techniques. It might be worthwhile to try this again in a low stakes situation and see how I can tweak my process.

One thing that I've been feeling lately even with my indirect approaches is that I am chasing and they are judging. I am not as clever, skilled, and or amazing as I thought I was. I need to really really really study chase pursuer dynamics. I've had this nagging feeling.

Last year I had women auto rejecting due to very little pursuit. This year I've taken more of a pursuer role. There has to be a balance in this dance I am not getting.

Last year I never would've gone with this girl and her friends. This year I did go and exerted way more than she did for results that ultimately might just be the end of our relationship. Don't even know if calling it a courtship works since I do not think the frame is even in that ball park. I don't have oneitis for this girl by a long shot, but it does get under my skin how much I did. I'm attempting to learn from it now, but I might need more time to be even further removed to truly pull from this.

Blah blah blah

I could think all day about this. That'd be cool. Action is cooler though.

1. I'm going to SCREEN and walk away just like a hot girl with options would if I don't like it. I'm not looking for a challenge. My time is valuable.
2. Instant Pulls and Dates over numbers. I'm sticking HARD to my rule that unless we have plans today or tomorrow that would warrant contact information for logistics I'm not taking it. It's just not worth it for me right now. Frankly, it's draining to look at all these numbers on my phone as is. I can't see why adding yours would illuminate my world. With that
3. You're coming into my world. I love having a car and my own place. I truly feel like it's my world. My world is great for you as well if your open to it and I will allow your world to influence mine if it's conducive to the aim in this interaction. If our worlds aren't meshing
4. I'm not ejecting until you hit me with a very hard no. This might not be the best for my reputation in the short term, but fuck it man. We have to start somewhere and I'm no social retard even in this small town there are other circles completely unfamiliar with eachother. Like they don't even notice eachother. It's crazy to me, but then again there are plenty of people. Which leads me to my next goal
5. Meet more women and ask for more. I need to really study and apply compliance building techniques on more women infield and on text.
6. Give people even more room to chase you. Learn how to get people chasing you while you pursue them or even before then.
7. Write a list of the mentalities and the person you are becoming. Audit yourself everyday.
8. Be willing to leave. Like truly. Look for reasons to leave even. You need to practice efficiency. The world is huge. Not even just about women. Just be willing to leave at any stage.
9. Lower your expectations while shooting for the stars. This isn't going to fall into your lap. Find parts of this that you enjoy. ( Despite me misapplying skills message. That has to be the most fun I've had texting in a year. I just didn't care. I've gotten so many messages like that. Not really abundant in successes, but more abundant in failure at this stage of my life.)
10. Change my narrative. You are the stories you tell yourself.
" Not really abundant in successes, but more abundant in failure at this stage of my life."
I wanted to delete this after writing it. It's an unhelpful thought loop that makes it acceptable to be a failure. This is not the goal and can be reframed. The fact that I am now able to truly view failure as feedback is a success. All that failure is just a ton of feedback that will up my chances of success in the future or at the very least present me an option for improvement which brings me peace.

This is my current stance. I'm pretty cloudy right now so I expect certain things to shift.
I'm in need of clarity. Going to go write it out and act.
Hopefully you found some value in this. :)
I wonder what future me thinks of this? I guess since I'm creating him right now I'll learn soon enough what he thinks. What I think.

Peace
 

tearsofjoy

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Hey man, great writeup. You had me cracking up when I was reading the texts you were sending that girl. Love the way you chase frame and put it back on her. Also, can't believe she's a psychology major and doesn't know who Frued is...

Like you said, you went out of your comfort zone and pushed this interaction as far as it could go. Gunwitch is always saying that beginners eject too early, so I think your mindset of sticking it out is going to take you far.

As a beginner, I don't have a lot of advice but just wanted to get your thoughts on some stuff. Did you ever get the vibe that this girl was simply using you for alcohol or did you feel like she was into you? It seemed like she ignored your message for a few days until she needed something. Reading your report, I also got the impression that you thought getting her the alcohol would make her more interested in you. Not sure if that was the case, but something to think about.

Keep up the good work man and looking forward to reading more!
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

mist

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Hey man, great writeup. You had me cracking up when I was reading the texts you were sending that girl. Love the way you chase frame and put it back on her. Also, can't believe she's a psychology major and doesn't know who Frued is...
Thanks man! I'm trying to get better each time. I want to make these valuable.

Honestly I've met some unread ass women. This definitely tops many of them though because at least they weren't unread in THEIR FIELD haha.
Like you said, you went out of your comfort zone and pushed this interaction as far as it could go. Gunwitch is always saying that beginners eject too early, so I think your mindset of sticking it out is going to take you far.
Thank you man! I'm really ironing out the need to eject right now. I did a ton of persistence work earlier this summer, but I definitely have slowed down to my detriment. Small Town getting in my head haha!

I know I'm valuable though even if I mess up on a micro level and that's helped me really stay in sets. I'm not going to intentionally hurt you nor is that aim. I just want to fuck you and have a great time.

Did you ever get the vibe that this girl was simply using you for alcohol or did you feel like she was into you? It seemed like she ignored your message for a few days until she needed something.
The result is that she got alcohol, a story, a fun time and I got to meet her friends(who I didn't really care about), got them alcohol, made no real progress on her sexually, and five dollars.

Whether she was simply using me for alcohol or not isn't really that interesting of a question. Women's moods and frame can be influenced. This is game. Regardless of what she wanted my goal was to push the interaction forward towards intimacy and see if there was mutualism towards that goal. If not then I'd leave.

Besides at this point I've gotten many vibes from women and yet been surprised by them when I did or didn't make a move.

Moves are the differentiator.

Who's serious and who's not ready (maybe never ready.)?

She wasn't the one who took me home. Her male friend did. Sure she didn't make a move, but neither did I.

Plausible deniability, saving face, and discretion is so important to women in earlier stages of relationships that in my opinion it's better to err on the side of false positives in most cases. That doesn't mean R@PE her haha! Just make moves. Either you leave (usually I do) or she does (have had this happen of course).

Ignoring my message for a couple days then hitting me up late night isn't that big of a deal imo. I'm not looking for a relationship. Plus the hitting me up late on a random day isn't so bad.

I'm just another guy, but I ended up in that car with way more potential than that male friend or any of the other guys she's talking to of doing something fun.

In short I don't know. I didn't make a polarizing move at the turning point. That dude was not strong in his frame. I was out of my element and didn't even try to capitalize on my influence. I will note that she invited me to a pretty social interaction with her friends though.

I guess, I'll never know. I don't like that feeling.

Fuck that feeling man. Make moves. Make moves. Make moves. At least then you can put it to bed.

There's also another side of me though that quite likes not knowing. Curiosity and flexibility in the face of uncertainty can be lit, but for the sake of not being complacent, Fuck that feeling. Make moves. Make moves. Make moves.
Reading your report, I also got the impression that you thought getting her the alcohol would make her more interested in you. Not sure if that was the case, but something to think about.

This is interesting.

I did not think that getting her alcohol would make her more interested. I think at most I believed getting the alcohol would keep her interest.

Which is lame I will admit, but I had another mentality running under all of that.

You already like me and the more you're around me the more you will realize why you like me and should love me.

This is one of my narcissistic traits. I score high on that dark triad trait.

Could be biased, but in general the more someone sees you the more they are open to you and begin to trust you.

I wasn't going to buy her alcohol unless I was there to influence the interaction into alcohol with a side of dick.

I can never go wrong actually being in front of a girl even if I can't pull her. I learn something regardless and usually she likes me way more each time we meet ( unless I don't make a move. Then they'll auto reject or screen me out of being a lover).

Getting alcohol was merely an excuse for me to be around her. Regardless of what she believed I believed that was her excuse for having her male friend pick me up. They already had had drinks. They paid for more and I could've gotten a drink as well as 5 dollars. Really all I did was decently cold approach older guys to do the dirty work for me. Anyone could've done that. They are of age and even said it themselves in the car while we were chatting that guys buy them drinks.

When she said " You really didn't do anything."

It's kind of facts on paper.

I got picked up, remained very cool answering nothing acting high and playful, took their money, had a guy pay for our beer and his own with their money, excited her a bit, kept calling her male friend a girl, won over her female friend, then got dropped off.

It's deep because I am deep and super self-concerned and attempting to be very conscious of the dynamics in the whole interaction and where my frame lead me.

In short I did not think alcohol or getting her anything would increase attraction. I believe that I alone increase attraction. I believed that alcohol is a very great cover for people to get together. Then as I realized they were underaged I believed taking charge would maintain attraction.

So peer pressure with a mix of ego-pressure.

Which I find pretty funny now. I'm not someone you can usually get to do shit with peer pressure by itself. In fact I'll get mad if peer pressured even if the peer pressure is towards something helpful. I'm sure a lot of the people I know would be BEYOND confused if they heard this story.

But I guess the hack to me is if you mix it with something I desire. I'll go to the moon believing it was my idea all along. Not directly though. If you ask me directly then I'll most likely be like no unless it's beneficial for us both.

Scenario 1
Her
" Get me this and you'll get pussy."

Me
" No."

Scenario 2
Her
" We're going out for drinks? Would you like to get us some drinks?"

Me
" Sure." ( How I read it. I'm going to be with this girl, hell yeah this is good. I can move for intimacy)

Something that I'll definitely need to be aware of. A more intelligent woman could really get me. In fact I expect myself to fall into this a few times before it's out of my system or significantly less likely to happen.
 

mist

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Why did you hang out with group instead of setting a one on one meet with her?
I didn't set it up. At worst I thought I was dealing with a 2-set. I had no clue there was a guy involved, but that's no excuse because I didn't keep frame or seize leadership when it really counted.

He’s like
“ Do you want to go home back to smoking or drive around.”
Me
“ Just drive.”
Instead of playing it so cool and saying " Just Drive." While they were all listening I could've told them to go to the park, or another spot I scouted out while looking around then attempted to ramp things up with my set. The only problem I could see is the male friend being in the way and saying he had to go, but say I'm in a situation like this again, but warmer or at least I get a moment to display leadership I could test this out. If they say no fuck em.
He persists in cockblocking me. I just say.
“ Wow. So you’re just going to treat me like some hoe pick me up. Bang me and then dump me. Then tell me to get the fuck outta your car?”
“ Yeah.”
“ wow”
Instead of engaging him anymore I should've taken advantage of the bubble I had with the women. They wanted fun and I was apart of that before he started whining about his plans tomorrow. He seemed to really like the girl sitting next to him. She tooled him the whole time . My set was probably third wheeling haha! I should've said come with me.

Hell it might've even helped him if I got her to leave those two. The bastard. Or maybe he got laid. If so well plaid by getting rid of me haha. I would've done the same.

Maybe not as whiny though. It worked though so can I even speak.
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My Texting Mentality

What I enjoy about this entry is that I wrote down a ton of what I was thinking and my thought process without editing too heavily.

Briefly, I don't believe I have the skillset to get anything off my phone right now. This mentality is already improving since this interaction.
But I was like fuck it and took it. I added her, but had like zero expectations. In fact I had negative expectations. I'm working on it. I just don't like social media and may text dynamics, but then again most people don't like what they suck at. No excuses.
This is a significant part of my mentality right now. I'm in scarcity mindset when it comes to texting.

I don't have success messaging so I think that also puts me in a frame where I am like " I'll take what I can get." I'm getting better. When I am feeling defeated I have a tendency to get playful and lighted since I expect very little or possibly even defeat.

Developing that playfulness but losing the defeatism and setting up a hang out that doesn't come off as boyfriendy but also isn't too dicky are my two phone goals currently.

Maybe I should just say come over and lets drink and chat. No walk, no discretion, no nothing. I'm really considering it.
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Edit About Her Specifically

I reread my reply to you Skills and felt I might have gone too broad and macro. I barely brought her up as just her.

She's a 20 year old brunette country girl that from what I can surmise of her
Facebook was popularize and was a homecoming queen in her small town. Not the absolute hottest girl but she seems pretty socially capable and she caught my eye.

So I cold approached her in Caseys while exhausted and against what I usually do I accepted taking her social media when I asked for a phone number.

If you think I am negative about my phone game then lets not even get into social media game haha.

I honestly considered her a dead lead. I already don't have patience and I allowed her to out frame me into taking her social media. I met other women and got more numbers after her.

I had absolutely zero expectations. If she fell off the face of the earth I would've been like " Well that happens."

We've only known eachother for about 9 days. I'm weeding through pretty quickly. Every lead gets about 2 weeks before I'm done.

I messaged her Friday evening. She hit me up Sunday night. ( I gotta stop messaging people Friday. I have not once not regretted it. There I go again negative Nancy about phone game haha. I'm going to get better I promise. Just gotta shock my system with more action.)

In short, I didn't see any hang out attempt meaning much. I told myself no.

Gotta stop that. Face the rejection like a man.

YEAH REJECTION! LIKE A MAN!
 
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