I got this girl's number. Guide me further.

[Ezio]

Well, she doesn't know i have it. She doesn't know me or know that i exist. Neither I have seen her ever.

She was the girlfriend of a friend of mine and now they are not together anymore, so one day, my friend gave me her number. He told me, do you want some pussy? - I said: Sure. - then he said to me: Take this number.

She looks like an easy catch. I have seen her photos on facebook, she has average looks, but based on her background that my friend told me about, we have a mountain on the intellectual side, i'm way more intellectually advanced than her - apparently she is low regarding that but she is fuckable. It would be a great honor for her to have a chance to date me.

But, anyway, i'm not sure how to go in contacting her, given the fact that she doesn't know me. I have her on Viber, so I have two ways to go: Call or Texting.

I would appreciate it if you could break it down to me into a step-by-step method - like how do I introduce myself knowing that she doesn't know me / would it be better to call or text her...and things like this.

Thanks in advance!

 

[ray_zorse]

Oh no, man, it's good that you express confidence in yourself and your value, but in my experience anything you think is a slam dunk, isn't! In the situation you describe you'd have to do a lot of careful work on your attainability in order to score, and frankly if you need to ask this question you don't have the skills to do that yet. Or to put it another way, she may not be super intellectual but she's a girl, she's highly intuitive and she knows when she is being talked down to. And if she finds out her ex is basically "farming her out" then she'll become defensive, wouldn't you? Suppose your ex gives your number to a whole lot of uncalibrated girls that can't get laid saying "Oh Ezio is cute and desperate, he can't get laid so he'll carry your shopping for you, whatever, just give him a bit to keep him interested...", well it'd be awful wouldn't it.

How you get a girl's number is critically important, much more so than having the number itself. By this stage the seduction should be well advanced, there should be mutual attraction, she should have decided she wants to see more of you, you should have proposed a date and tried to set up logistics... that way she knows you're a real man with balls who goes out and grabs what he wants, which is attractive.

If you really want to game this chick why don't you have your friend organize a "social circle night out" and invite you both, then you can approach her casually and naturally, chat her up and ask for her number. Or failing that, have your friend organize a blind date between you and her (maybe give him a photo to show her). I suppose you could do this over facebook with his involvement, but I'd recommend against it, cos ppl seem to attach less value to online interactions (because they are, in general, low investment, perhaps).

Note however if you do it like this there's no particular reasom to choose this girl, there are plenty of others out there. Get on tinder and hook up with someone hotter!

Ray

 

[Ezio]

Thanks for the response, Ray!

How you get a girl's number is critically important, much more so than having the number itself. By this stage the seduction should be well advanced, there should be mutual attraction, she should have decided she wants to see more of you, you should have proposed a date and tried to set up logistics... that way she knows you're a real man with balls who goes out and grabs what he wants, which is attractive.

This is exactly the reason i asked this question. I thought this is a situation that isn't exactly like normal calling or getting a girl's number and you are confirming it - it isnt. Just to add, i have been in this kind of situations before. I had numbers of girls and i called them, one or two even agreed to date, but at that time i didn't care and was joking around, so i just ignored them afterwards.
Definitely, this is not the way I aspire to meet girls or one that I practice, the thing is that I had taken this number jokingly when interacting with my friend a very long time ago, then some hours ago, i saw it in my phone and was wondering if i should just try it out before i delete it.......

If you really want to game this chick why don't you have your friend organize a "social circle night out" and invite you both, then you can approach her casually and naturally, chat her up and ask for her number. Or failing that, have your friend organize a blind date between you and her (maybe give him a photo to show her). I suppose you could do this over facebook with his involvement, but I'd recommend against it, cos ppl seem to attach less value to online interactions (because they are, in general, low investment, perhaps).

.......otherwise, i don't care even a bit about her. I can easily next her. What you described above, in the second quote that i made, is just too much effort, i would not go out of my way like this, to meet this particular girl. She is not worth it. What i wanted was just some fast tip so i could build some intrigue or keep her engaged when i would call her. Thus, if she bites, i would be pulling this one effortlessly and if i couldn't, just simply delete her.

However, i will call this one tomorrow, if i have time, then report back to you guys about how it went, if you want. In meantime, any cute little tip for these situations would be cute.

-Ezio

 

[Ezio]

#Reporting back (as i promised)

Maybe I am reporting very late, but as i said i didnt care that much for the girl we talked above, so i just forgot about her. Last night, i remembered and decided to call her.

"And frankly if you need to ask this question you don't have the skills to do that yet." - Actually, i succeeded. I talked to her on the phone and as i told you before, i have never met her in person or know her, neither does she.

The call went very smooth, i handled things perfectly, i think i kinda it did like a "professional" phone gamer, hahaha. I dont know why, but usually my interactions through phone calling go well.

But I have to admit that i used very unethical tactics. Mostly because i lied about who i am(Name and surname). I lied because i didnt want she to know me in case it went bad. I lied about how I dont know how i got her number, but i just found it randomly in my phone and i was curious to know how that number got in my phone and wanted to check out whose number it is.

I used these lies also for the purpose of eliminating that impression of a guy who is chasing her, who likes her, who tells her he likes her and tells her exactly how he got her number, thus in one way or the other - putting her on a pedestal, because he did all this effort to take her number. Instead, I made it look like an accident call thus creating some mystery and kinda coming off like I dont care at all about her, but just wanna find out how she got in my phone contact list.

During the call, I got her to invest by telling me some personal details like her age, what school she went to, etc. and i created the vibe that nothing freaky is happening. Because there are some times when people freak out when a stranger calls them. I also was the one to cut the conversation so it would eliminate any impression of neediness and i put it in that way that i looked like she wanted more but i just didnt have more time. Basically, i told her: "Can we hang up now because i ve got some stuff to do and I will call you another time?". She agreed and she said: "Okay, call me, but text me before it, because my mom uses this phone so i dont want her to pick up the phone instead of me". This way, she was agreeing and even making adjustments with me, while i was just a stranger who she had talked only for 10 minutes or so, when she could have said - "I was happy to talk to you, but dont call me again", not that she didnt do this, she also said "Goodnight and thank you" - saying the "thanks" word out of the blue, which means she was implying that she was thanking for me calling her and that she got excited.

Then, we hang up.

But it didnt stop here. She tried to initiate conversation with me through text, but i didnt want to continue it because i had already told her i am going to do stuff.

Here is the conversation after we hung up and my analysis of it:

She: "Okay, goodnight" - she already had told me goodnight through the phone, why she wanted to say it a second time, the reason is obvious.

She:

Please, dont call in this number, but you feel free to text me.

Because my mom can pick it up and it makes no sense - Again, she is repeating the same thing she told me through the phone. Why? Just to keep the interaction going.

Me: Dont worry. I will notify you beforehand through texting in case i want to call you. - Implying that i am not going to quit calling just because of her objection with her mother, which could be a test too. Putting it another way- i am telling her that i am the one who decides if i am gonna call or text.

She: Ah, okay, and if you are busy, please tell me, i dont want to interrupt you. - She submits to me and basically agrees for another call. Then she says she doesnt want to interrupt me like we were talking for hours and probably waiting for me to act like " Oh no, you are not interrupting me, we could continue talking", because she wanted to continue talking(chasing me). But i knew what she wanted to do and i did this instead:

Me: In fact, i have some stuff to do, but we will talk again, okay? - telling her that i am busy now but i could give her a chance to talk to me later.

She: Okay, have a good time then. Text me when you are free.

Me: *Thumbs up* - not writing more text, thus cutting the conversation.

She: *Shy emoticon* - kinda submitting?

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So this is how i fucked this girls brain. Extremely a non-special thing but a good reference point for me. I am just a call away from getting her to come for a date with me.

My question now is: When do I call her back? How much time before I do it? - So i dont come off needy or on the contrary letting the iron get cold.


p.s: I will answer and thank you guys in my latest topic about calibrating things, but now i am still reflecting on what each of you wrote to me, and when i organize my thoughts, I will write a reply.

 

[Anonymous]

If she's so "average" and you are "way more intellectually advanced", why are you bothering in the first place? Yet, despite your faux-bravado and sense of superiority, you're chasing this girl that is supposedly isn't all that great instead of meeting other people.

Food for thought.

Your actions scream of a lack of choice and abundance. If that's the case, go out there and socialize. Harsh, I know, but where are you expecting this to go? You've started off your interaction with this girl by lying about who you are, even if you ended meeting this girl, what is she going to think when she finds out that you're her ex's friend and on top of that, you've been lying about who you are and how you got her contact info.

I know it's hard to read subcommunications over text, but your attitude and view of this woman (more likely women in general) is unhealthy.

 

[Ezio]

Hello , J.J.

Thanks for taking your time to reply to me.

I have to say that I don't like the way you have chosen to criticize me. I am not saying that you don't have the good intentions, but your critique is more judgmental than constructive. You didn't even give me an alternative or answer the questions i asked at the end of my previous last post in this topic.

Yes, my actions scream a lack of choice and abundance, because currently I have a lack of choice and abundance. I am a beginner in seduction and I am trying to exploit every chance to push past my comfort zone - even in this particular case.

I don't know how you define "chasing", but I am not chasing her, in my opinion. I could next her in a second and not think about her ever again. What is she going to think when she finds out that you're her ex's friend? - That is very hard for her to find and seemingly she doesn't care that much. To be honest, I don't really care what she would think-maybe, by the time she finds out, I would have slept with her already, also despite everything, she would understand the lies.

I think that you are over-dramatizing the situation. I told you that I am aware it is unethical, but knowing her type, she doesn't care.

After all, I really don't care if I get to date her or not, as i said before, I will use this experience to build a reference point when it comes to phone calling. Fucking her, would be a bonus.

Just to be clear.... I don't know what attitude you think I have, but for your information, this is not the way I aspire to meet girls. I hate lying. But I am a beginner and I have to be a jester sometimes.

- Ezio.