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Swati

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So, before I dive into this FU report, here's the rundown: I was out today gaming—think this was a couple of approaches in, around 6-8th. Managed to pull this girl out on a date later in the day. She had a hair appointment, so no immediate meetup, but she was reactive as hell on texts—solid green light.

The interesting bit before the story: I was debriefing with an OG in the game, and he dropped that when guys take breaks or switch environments from where they honed their skills, it warps their view of women. That shift makes you act differently. In my case, I forgot how to sexualize fast. Coming from night game, fast escalation's my default—kino, physical ramps up quick. But in day game, you can't blast that; it's not calibrated, socially it'd blow up. So I dialed back, built more rapport, and toned down my trollish banter that kills in clubs but flops in daylight. It fucked my vibe for a stretch, but I'm sharper now than a year or even a month ago. Game's a grind—it chews time, not every set's gold. On a hot day, I can do around 10 approaches; on a shit one, maybe 3 if my mood's off or volume's low. Hit or miss, and you gotta hit specific spots—you can't just weave it into your day without it nuking your schedule. And if you grind day game consistently, it tanks your night game edge; sleep adjustments, endorphins drained. I can push, but efficiency drops.

Anyway, for this one: She was supposed to meet an hour earlier, but her hair took longer, plus makeup, so she showed up polished compared to when I opened her. We met at a spot, chatted lightly, one of the "coolest dude" winged me a bit, tossed some social proof my way—fucking gold, but I was holding my own. He bounced, thinking it was locked in, and it was rolling smoothly.

Interest was high; she's from my original city, we fluff—kept it away from interview-mode to dodge logical traps. Switched venues 'cause the first had those blinding white lights—kills the mood, bail if you hit that. Back to the original plan, grabbed seats, drank for a while. She closed the distance physically; even on the venue hop, her body's open, receptive.

Just needed a few more minutes to kino harder. At the new spot, I escalated touch—she mirrored, legs right next to mine, my hand on her shoulder, back, everywhere. She made some dirty jokes, like why she's not married, me, I want 10 kids—not total bullshit, it's in my head. Didn't probe her status, but she's unmarried; maybe she held back on disclosing.
Pivotal now, 'cause she's ghosting—could be that. After drinks, she's compliant, tells me about her dog she needs to walk, but it's 11 PM. I pull up to my hotel; she pays for some convenience store shit like soda—nothing big, I covered most. Called the taxi, rode with me, holding hands, chit-chat, nothing too sexual yet, other than the hand holding. I kissed her at the lounge after she cracked some dumb gay joke about my background, so I just grabbed and kissed her hard; she laughed it off.

At the hotel, I pull: "Hey, I wanna show you something? Watch a movie in my room." She hits with "We could do a theater," annoying as hell, I'm improvising. "Nah, I have an amazing view of the city." She hesitates but bites initially? Wait, no—for some reason, she balks hard. Felt like an escalation window was there; if I'd scooped her up and carried like a caveman, she'd cave, but that's a brute push over smooth compliance. I like doing that—sets up chain resistance: hard pull to room, then LMR on the bang. No full makeout yet, which flags lower odds; without that, she's primed for resistance.

Tried playful pull, a couple of steps toward the room, but she plants. Hugged her, she called a taxi—a bit of hesitation, but ultimately dipped. Fucking retarded, annoying as shit; she came all that way just to bounce? Was it the last 5% missing, or something else? We texted on her taxi home, but the next day, no reply to my texts—a couple of days now, whatever. Pisses me off 'cause it doesn't usually hit me like this; normally, they're transparent, open. No clue, but it is what it is—on to the next.

Day game's sharpening up; hooking better, got that fire to game again.

Probably give her a pacing text later next week.
 

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At the hotel, I pull: "Hey, I wanna show you something? Watch a movie in my room." She hits with "We could do a theater," annoying as hell, I'm improvising. "Nah, I have an amazing view of the city." She hesitates but bites initially? Wait, no—for some reason, she balks hard. Felt like an escalation window was there; if I'd scooped her up and carried like a caveman, she'd cave, but that's a brute push over smooth compliance. I like doing that—sets up chain resistance: hard pull to room, then LMR on the bang. No full makeout yet, which flags lower odds; without that, she's primed for resistance.

Tried playful pull, a couple of steps toward the room, but she plants. Hugged her, she called a taxi—a bit of hesitation, but ultimately dipped. Fucking retarded, annoying as shit; she came all that way just to bounce? Was it the last 5% missing, or something else? We texted on her taxi home, but the next day, no reply to my texts—a couple of days now, whatever. Pisses me off 'cause it doesn't usually hit me like this; normally, they're transparent, open. No clue, but it is what it is—on to the next.

Day game's sharpening up; hooking better, got that fire to game again.

Probably give her a pacing text later next week.
Easy.
Should have kissed her and escalated a bit at the entrance of the hotel or close to it, before asking her to your room. It doesn't seem like a natural move to ask her to your room without making it seem like you are so into her you can't help asking her into your room and her ASD wouldn't have kicked in either if you had done that, because her mood would have been sexual too.

I would go with something like ASD. She thinks you just want her for sex and she wasn't ready for sex yet because you hadn't escalated far enough.

Edit: the whole : no theater, but better view from room thing feels off to me. should have built more comfort and charm there. Don't know how you phrased it, but it feels off to me.
 

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Easy.
Should have kissed her and escalated a bit at the entrance of the hotel or close to it, before asking her to your room. It doesn't seem like a natural move to ask her to your room without making it seem like you are so into her you can't help asking her into your room and her ASD wouldn't have kicked in either if you had done that, because her mood would have been sexual too.

I would go with something like ASD. She thinks you just want her for sex and she wasn't ready for sex yet because you hadn't escalated far enough.

Edit: the whole : no theater, but better view from room thing feels off to me. should have built more comfort and charm there. Don't know how you phrased it, but it feels off to me.
she wouldn't make up. I didn't explicitly say room either, said my place
 

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@Swati,

That girl showed up to the date DTF.

She was eying you like crazy, laughing hard at everything you said. Had her hair and makeup and dress down super sexy. She essentially shooed me away (dunno if you noticed that). She 100% wanted you all to herself.

one of the "coolest dude" winged me a bit, tossed some social proof my way—fucking gold

🙂

, but I was holding my own. He bounced, thinking it was locked in, and it was rolling smoothly.

I 100% thought you were gonna fuck.

Just needed a few more minutes to kino harder. At the new spot, I escalated touch—she mirrored, legs right next to mine, my hand on her shoulder, back, everywhere. She made some dirty jokes, like why she's not married, me, I want 10 kids—not total bullshit, it's in my head. Didn't probe her status, but she's unmarried; maybe she held back on disclosing.
Pivotal now, 'cause she's ghosting—could be that.

Yeah, could be she's married or something. Especially given how evasive she was about everything.

You were literally her impromptu SDL dick. That was the role she had for you.

After drinks, she's compliant, tells me about her dog she needs to walk, but it's 11 PM. I pull up to my hotel; she pays for some convenience store shit like soda—nothing big, I covered most. Called the taxi, rode with me, holding hands, chit-chat, nothing too sexual yet, other than the hand holding. I kissed her at the lounge after she cracked some dumb gay joke about my background, so I just grabbed and kissed her hard; she laughed it off.

At the hotel, I pull: "Hey, I wanna show you something? Watch a movie in my room." She hits with "We could do a theater," annoying as hell, I'm improvising. "Nah, I have an amazing view of the city." She hesitates but bites initially? Wait, no—for some reason, she balks hard. Felt like an escalation window was there; if I'd scooped her up and carried like a caveman, she'd cave, but that's a brute push over smooth compliance. I like doing that—sets up chain resistance: hard pull to room, then LMR on the bang. No full makeout yet, which flags lower odds; without that, she's primed for resistance.

Tried playful pull, a couple of steps toward the room, but she plants. Hugged her, she called a taxi—a bit of hesitation, but ultimately dipped. Fucking retarded, annoying as shit; she came all that way just to bounce? Was it the last 5% missing, or something else? We texted on her taxi home, but the next day, no reply to my texts—a couple of days now, whatever. Pisses me off 'cause it doesn't usually hit me like this; normally, they're transparent, open. No clue, but it is what it is—on to the next.

It was a day game approach, she just met you a few hours earlier, then you kissed her outside when the vibe doesn't sound like it was at peak. That will tend to flip some "this feels off" alarm bells in her head. Then when she pushed back on the pull it turned into a mini-debate.

Even if she is thinking, "This guy's my impromptu dick," she expects it to go a certain way. If it gets wonky at some point, you can still lose the lay. She get into "Eh, I'm not feeling it" mode, then bails.

She was no naïf (the evasiveness, the sexiness... also: the tattoo above her left breast under the shoulder strap of her dress, if you noticed that) but she still needed the vibes to be right.

Would've gone a lot better if:

  1. You earlier on seeded doing something cool in your hotel room (amazing view of the city, for instance) so that when you brought it up later she was already primed

  2. You skipped the lounge kiss and just rolled that tension into logistical escalation (then kissed her in the hotel room)

  3. You absorbed her objection into your persistence. So, e.g., instead of

YOU: Hey, I wanna show you something? Watch a movie in my room.​
HER: We could do a theater.​
YOU: Nah, I have an amazing view of the city.​
HER: Okay. (thinks) Wait, no. I have to go. (ejects)​
You do:

YOU: Hey, I wanna show you something? Watch a movie in my room.​
HER: We could do a theater.​
YOU: That's a great idea. But wait! The theaters all have those stiff chairs and armrests. Let's order some room service and get snug in the room and pop something on the big screen TV; it's like having our own private cinema, except with people to wait on you. Come on.​
HER: Okay! (doesn't reconsider or eject)​

Instead of a debate, you oversell + joint logistical plan.

Day game's sharpening up; hooking better, got that fire to game again.

Probably give her a pacing text later next week.

Yeah. It's gonna be hard with the failed pull after the kiss.

A lot of times that will shatter the "dick with legs" hopes she had for you.

You can try inviting her to another joint outing next week, e.g., "Hey my boy and I are hitting up XYZ, you should totally come," which can feel a bit lower pressure than "Oh, he's just going to try to kiss me again." If she's mad she can also be thinking, "I'll show up and make him jealous by flirting with his friend," but of course then I'll just bounce her back to you 🤣

Man, you were almost there!

She showed up ready for it. She was a hottie, too.

Just gotta get those pulls going a little smoother. More seeding, more compliance escalation, and resist the urge to kiss in public, especially when the vibe's not there (I mean, maybe it was, but sounded like it wasn't).

Chase
 

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YOU: Hey, I wanna show you something? Watch a movie in my room.HER: We could do a theater.YOU: That's a great idea. But wait! The theaters all have those stiff chairs and armrests. Let's order some room service and get snug in the room and pop something on the big screen TV; it's like having our own private cinema, except with people to wait on you. Come on.HER: Okay! (doesn't reconsider or eject)
when she was calling her taxi, there was hesitation

in her delivery 100% there was something that she didn't want to leave behind.

"what do you have at your place that's interesting"

My response should of been

"let me know show you"

At this point she already called it, I should of just grabbed her phone canceled it, or tell her to cancel it and chatted a bit more outside and reintroduce the pull later on, by going to 7/11 and etc

I kissed her at the lounge after she cracked some dumb gay joke about my background, so I just grabbed and kissed her hard; she laughed it off.
where I believe the FSC kicked in. It's actually my prefer way to not kiss, but got me with my pants down when I need to change becoming more "sexual" again..... lol. totally mis-calibrating.

Might have been her way to tease me to kiss her, when she was calling me "gay" and she stole frame tactfully.

"oh he kissed me, I had enough validation and he fucked up the tension, bye bye"

If she's mad she can also be thinking, "I'll show up and make him jealous by flirting with his friend," but of course then I'll just bounce her back to you 🤣
I showed videos of me boxing my Russian friend, beating on him, don't think she wanna make me mad LOL 🤣



She was saying that she had to walk her dog, I told her we could go walk it together. had a bit of back and forward, should of tried to get in the taxi and go to her place.

You skipped the lounge kiss and just rolled that tension into logistical escalation (then kissed her in the hotel room)
Yeah bad calibration on my part. I'm pissed. But good lesson tho!

Now I see there's a bunch of small FU.


appreciate the feedback, thanks Player ;)
 

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It's frustrating losing a close to a girl who seemed super down.

My read of your date:

You came across too thirsty.

Despite the fact she was down, she got the vibe that you were just a "horny guy" as opposed to "THAT guy".

Couple things:

1.

She was supposed to meet an hour earlier, but her hair took longer, plus makeup, so she showed up polished compared to when I opened her.


Being a few minutes late is OK (15 minutes or so), but ONE HOUR late is a test of your frame (seems she has a legit excuse, but on the other hand, it could be a test to see if you're thirsty or masculine)


2.

Just needed a few more minutes to kino harder. At the new spot, I escalated touch—she mirrored, legs right next to mine, my hand on her shoulder, back, everywhere.

Are you sure you needed to "kino harder"? I know a lot of guys think "lots of kino = closer to seduction". But if you're just pawing away at her -- oftentimes unearned -- it comes across as a little too much for the girl. When you "overdo kino", she starts to think "this guy 100% believes he's getting laid tonight" which destroys the mystery and tension of the dance. She starts seeing you as being a little too eager.

3.

She made some dirty jokes, like why she's not married, me, I want 10 kids

This line says more about the girl than the quality of the seduction. As @Chase said, she's no naïf -- she's a tease -- and she's probably used to tooling thirsty guys. A lot of girls don't usually bring up "sex talk" on a date. If they do, sometimes it's "beta bait" (to see how thirsty you are). Maybe would've been good to troll her here.

I also feel this is a place where getting her to qualify to you would've been good. If you're already super-handsy with her, and if she thinks "this guy thinks I'm easy", then you need to push, rather than pull. Pushing creates the tension that seemed to be missing ("wait... does this guy actually like me?") Qualification helps you do just that . A lot of her resistance to the pull comes from the fact that she believes you're a thirsty guy who thinks he's getting an easy lay -- she doesn't believe you have standards / she doesn't think there's a unique reason you two share a special connection beyond the fact you want to sleep with her.

Pivotal now, 'cause she's ghosting—could be that.

She's ghosting because you "over-cooked" the date. There's no more mystery or tension. She's seen the end of the movie and doesn't need to re-watch it. She gets the big picture: you really want to sleep with her lol. Once women figure this out from you -- that they no longer need to "win you over" -- they ghost. She sees your texts and just thinks "oh yeah the guy who wants to sleep with me"... not "I'm not sure this guy likes me". That's why @Chase 's text idea of inviting her out when you're with your friends make sense: it reduces the pressure that you're just trying to sleep with her.

3.

Called the taxi, rode with me, holding hands, chit-chat, nothing too sexual yet, other than the hand holding. I kissed her at the lounge after she cracked some dumb gay joke about my background, so I just grabbed and kissed her hard; she laughed it off.

Sh*t test failed. I don't know what her joke was, but verbally flipping her sh*t test probably would've been a better move. You grabbing her and kissing her -- while seems "alpha" on paper -- just feeds her suspicious that you're thirsty. She's a seasoned flirt so she's happy to kiss you for validation, but it doesn't mean you're any closer to seduction.

4. Chase covered the objection handling over the pull stuff. But my read (based on screwing up similar situations like yours in the past) is that you're missing a bit of "middle game" -- where you qualify the girl, build a bit more connection, and inject some uncertainty into the interaction...that way, she still feels there's a bit of tensions of mystery as to whether she's "winning you over".
 

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It's frustrating losing a close to a girl who seemed super down.

My read of your date:

You came across too thirsty.

Despite the fact she was down, she got the vibe that you were just a "horny guy" as opposed to "THAT guy".

Couple things:

1.




Being a few minutes late is OK (15 minutes or so), but ONE HOUR late is a test of your frame (seems she has a legit excuse, but on the other hand, it could be a test to see if you're thirsty or masculine)


2.



Are you sure you needed to "kino harder"? I know a lot of guys think "lots of kino = closer to seduction". But if you're just pawing away at her -- oftentimes unearned -- it comes across as a little too much for the girl. When you "overdo kino", she starts to think "this guy 100% believes he's getting laid tonight" which destroys the mystery and tension of the dance. She starts seeing you as being a little too eager.

3.



This line says more about the girl than the quality of the seduction. As @Chase said, she's no naïf -- she's a tease -- and she's probably used to tooling thirsty guys. A lot of girls don't usually bring up "sex talk" on a date. If they do, sometimes it's "beta bait" (to see how thirsty you are). Maybe would've been good to troll her here.

I also feel this is a place where getting her to qualify to you would've been good. If you're already super-handsy with her, and if she thinks "this guy thinks I'm easy", then you need to push, rather than pull. Pushing creates the tension that seemed to be missing ("wait... does this guy actually like me?") Qualification helps you do just that . A lot of her resistance to the pull comes from the fact that she believes you're a thirsty guy who thinks he's getting an easy lay -- she doesn't believe you have standards / she doesn't think there's a unique reason you two share a special connection beyond the fact you want to sleep with her.



She's ghosting because you "over-cooked" the date. There's no more mystery or tension. She's seen the end of the movie and doesn't need to re-watch it. She gets the big picture: you really want to sleep with her lol. Once women figure this out from you -- that they no longer need to "win you over" -- they ghost. She sees your texts and just thinks "oh yeah the guy who wants to sleep with me"... not "I'm not sure this guy likes me". That's why @Chase 's text idea of inviting her out when you're with your friends make sense: it reduces the pressure that you're just trying to sleep with her.

3.



Sh*t test failed. I don't know what her joke was, but verbally flipping her sh*t test probably would've been a better move. You grabbing her and kissing her -- while seems "alpha" on paper -- just feeds her suspicious that you're thirsty. She's a seasoned flirt so she's happy to kiss you for validation, but it doesn't mean you're any closer to seduction.

4. Chase covered the objection handling over the pull stuff. But my read (based on screwing up similar situations like yours in the past) is that you're missing a bit of "middle game" -- where you qualify the girl, build a bit more connection, and inject some uncertainty into the interaction...that way, she still feels there's a bit of tensions of mystery as to whether she's "winning you over".


you read up the FU and read what Chase wrote and rewrote your piece about your "red pill knowledge" assuming is PUA skills.

Nice try.

FYI buddy, if pickup was as binary as you make it out to be. There won't be a need for experts
 

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missed some details*

In the VERY beginning of the date, we sat on the stroll, I just GRABBED her stroll and while she's sitting on pulled towards me. That could have already contribute to the collapsing of the "wave" chase mentioned. raising my attainability, arousal Ing her. Cause I could sense she was a bit closed off and scared, should of chilled and let it be.

when we were leaving the lounge, I got overly excited picked her up a few times that miscalibration, physical spike used in dance floor, I did on SDL set LOL, that arousal + the mis calibrated peck, all added to the fuck up.

also when we were standing outside the hotel I tired to kiss her, 2 times again, she dodged.

Put my dick on her ass when I was hugging her.

NOW I look back the sexual frame is a lot different compared to the night game, how to set it. whereas day game it's not so arousal driven, could potentially kill the date. I look at some of my lays from day game I didn't even kiss before I got back to my place. You have more of a window to do it. Since rapport, similarity and value was all there, for a "date".

Whereas sexual frame focused on in night game because if you "pull" without sexual frame you may encountered LMR after you pull, more isolation places where it's intimate in venues. Cause from my view is that arousal and sexual value tend to be more of focal point, compared to date pulls.

In this whole situation, I've lost so many meta frame. If I reminded myself of just this topic it'll would of had higher odds

TBH, I've fucked up more than I could count with super high interest girls, night game too, but it's appliable to this situation from day game too, should just continuing leading to the place for sex and "NOT KISS" at all before unless there's blaring signals. this one was miscalibration

with this "date" pull, I look back this time, FML, I've lost SOME many SDL dates.

still pissed, I hear my neighbor moaning, I have no pussy today lol

I will be little bit more boring during dates next time, escalate slower
 

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@Thes,

Being a few minutes late is OK (15 minutes or so), but ONE HOUR late is a test of your frame (seems she has a legit excuse, but on the other hand, it could be a test to see if you're thirsty or masculine)

The girl was just late doing her hair. It happens.

She was SUPER dolled up when she arrived. That was for HIM (@Swati).

This line says more about the girl than the quality of the seduction. As @Chase said, she's no naïf -- she's a tease -- and she's probably used to tooling thirsty guys. A lot of girls don't usually bring up "sex talk" on a date. If they do, sometimes it's "beta bait" (to see how thirsty you are). Maybe would've been good to troll her here.

I did not say she was a tease.

Teases want MORE men around them, not less.

This girl straight up ignored me and pushed me out of there with her vibe. She wanted to be alone with Swati.

The way she said, "Bye-BYE!" to me with a satisfied little grin was low-key hilarious... it was like "Ha! I won! I got Swati all to myself!"

That is not tease behavior. That's how a girl who is trying to isolate a guy so things can progress behaves (well, how SOME girls like that behave... some are certainly more sociable. This girl just wanted me gone, lol).

(That said, the fact that she was behaving that way is another clue she is pretty sexually confident. She saw a guy she wanted -- Swati -- and worked to create the situation for it to happen.)

I also feel this is a place where getting her to qualify to you would've been good. If you're already super-handsy with her, and if she thinks "this guy thinks I'm easy", then you need to push, rather than pull.

This is not what you do with DTF girls.

She was not worried about him seeing her as "easy."

Pushing creates the tension that seemed to be missing ("wait... does this guy actually like me?")

Again, not what you want with girls who are DTF.

Qualification helps you do just that . A lot of her resistance to the pull comes from the fact that she believes you're a thirsty guy who thinks he's getting an easy lay -- she doesn't believe you have standards / she doesn't think there's a unique reason you two share a special connection beyond the fact you want to sleep with her.



She's ghosting because you "over-cooked" the date. There's no more mystery or tension. She's seen the end of the movie and doesn't need to re-watch it. She gets the big picture: you really want to sleep with her lol. Once women figure this out from you -- that they no longer need to "win you over" -- they ghost. She sees your texts and just thinks "oh yeah the guy who wants to sleep with me"... not "I'm not sure this guy likes me". That's why @Chase 's text idea of inviting her out when you're with your friends make sense: it reduces the pressure that you're just trying to sleep with her.

This reads very much like a response produced by an LLM that was asked for an analysis + tips of the thread.

LLMs do not know "game." They are in particular complete ass at evaluating scenarios and field reports.

Don't use LLMs for game analysis, people. It will take you down the garden path.

Sh*t test failed. I don't know what her joke was, but verbally flipping her sh*t test probably would've been a better move. You grabbing her and kissing her -- while seems "alpha" on paper -- just feeds her suspicious that you're thirsty. She's a seasoned flirt so she's happy to kiss you for validation, but it doesn't mean you're any closer to seduction.

Again, LLM-sounding misread of the report.

This girl did not "kiss Swati for validation." He kissed her to defuse her test. She laughed it off and pushed back on subsequent attempts.

I am 99% sure this was an LLM response to the report here, based on all the misreads.

4. Chase covered the objection handling over the pull stuff. But my read (based on screwing up similar situations like yours in the past) is that you're missing a bit of "middle game" -- where you qualify the girl, build a bit more connection, and inject some uncertainty into the interaction...that way, she still feels there's a bit of tensions of mystery as to whether she's "winning you over".

You can't do too much of that with DTF girls, or they realize you're not in the same headspace they are and bail.

This girl didn't need connection (she actively resisted connection. She wouldn't tell him what her job was, how old she was, anything else. She was super evasive about anything connection-related).

She needed arousal and smoother compliance escalation until she was alone with Swati, then "close the curtains."


@Swati,

still pissed, I hear my neighbor moaning, I have no pussy today lol

😭

TBH, I've fucked up more than I could count with super high interest girls, night game too, but it's appliable to this situation from day game too, should just continuing leading to the place for sex and "NOT KISS" at all before unless there's blaring signals. this one was miscalibration

with this "date" pull, I look back this time, FML, I've lost SOME many SDL dates.
I will be little bit more boring during dates next time, escalate slower

It's more about being smoother (than slower, necessarily).

More smaller escalation steps throughout.

Seeding so the pull doesn't come as a surprise.

You were smooth when you rolled up on this girl and smooth in the early part of the date. So she was expecting things to continue being smooth right up till she was in your hotel bed.

Escalating a little unsmoothly / over-eagerly comes across incongruent and makes her think she might have the wrong impression of you.

Just need to s-m-o-o-t-h that escalation out.

-C
 
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Swatti, do not use the "lets go up watch a movie" as a plausible deniability prompt (the watch a movie or netflix and chill or any variation is good pre date with tinder, as womanize come over lets fuck), is not good (though it really does not matter much watch you say) the movie makes no sense, when she just told you "she needs to walk the dog", also you should kind of had to address that objection, you kind of ignore it.... AS a dog owner, sometimes you have to walk the dog at certain times..... I wonder if it was bs asd excuse or legit.....(either on not good anyways)

I would have addressed it and make the plausible very low effort and smother, like "wow i know you got a walk the dog, but i need you to see Real quick this amazing view...."

at the point of extraction there was minimal physical or verbal escalation, so when that happens.... stuff like what happened in the op happens... This has happened to me many times, when i point of extraction or end of night i have not get them to the "want to have sex point" i have a post detailing this:

 

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You should also know her what her place is like. If she lives alone, you could go for "Let's take your dog for a walk' and then escalate at her place.
 

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@Chase

Apologies if my writing isn't compelling -- but I promise I didn't use an LLM to write any of my response LOL.

You saw the beginning of the interaction in-person, so you'd know the vibe better than any of us.

Based on my reading of the initial field report, it just seemed like the OP escalated a bunch and then the girl just wasn't DTF anymore.

So that begs the question (and I'm asking this honestly -- not trying to be combative -- for my own educational purposes)...

Why did she give him resistance on the pull if she was in fact so DTF?

Certainly, objection-handling is useful in the moment of the pull...

...but my question is why was she resistant to the pull in the first place?

You said the solution was she needed more arousal, but he seemed to be doing plenty of that during the date...
 

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You should also know her what her place is like. If she lives alone, you could go for "Let's take your dog for a walk' and then escalate at her place.
Yes I was going to say that, but didn't know living situation...one time i had this situation but during sex dog trying to bite me... horrible
 

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Ok i just read this report again and I think she was ready at point of extraction and somewhere during the escalation she got cold ..
 
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