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So in my experience working through this journey of understanding women better the last 4 months I've rarely encountered any true naturals; most of the guys I meet are utter garbage with women and simply have managed to get lucky through social circle (and that's a minority even still). However as I've been getting better myself I've started to find guys who ACTUALLY don't suck (I have a crew I go do pickup with and they're of variable skill, mostly beginners with a few beginner/intermediates around my level, but they're all Redpill guys who study pickup, whether that be RSD or another group they actively study, I'm starting to meet true naturals).
In some strange way I've found that these new "Naturals" I'm meeting seem to like me and as I've been journeying through game and continuing to make myself a better man everyday I find that we just end up clicking more; not sure why that is. They think it's hilarious that I study pickup and when I point out certain things that I've learned that they naturally do they simply chuckle and say they assumed everyone did that.
Anyway the point is going out with one of these Naturals last weekend we pulled in a high competition environment, it's the general big bar for Fraternities and Sororities in my area (the high caliber college-mid to late 20's guys and girls go there). I've made out with girls there but with him winging me I managed to pull, now granted my girl ended up passing out on top of me while we were hooking up (she quite literally fell asleep on top of me, or was pretending too because she got up and we were able to help her get to her room and put her to bed). The Natural ended up smashing the friend (who was way hotter anyway) and though my girl seemed like she wanted me to come in her room, she mentioned her roomate was sleeping and it just didn't seem like she was really that into me (no reply to my follow up text afterwards anyway). However I def learned some things by watching and pulling with him that he does and I don't do that could be why he was able to finish the job and I was not in that particular circumstance (my girl was a little more drunk, so out of my control but I still think I could have done better, the "passing out" part almost seemed fishy).
While it was definitely emotionally hard to have to go back and grab my coat at the Natural's girl's room (because I forgot it in there) and seeing them all tied up and him trying not to make me feel bad by saying "dude I'm totally just gonna pass out". Obviously he smashed (and gave me the details the next day) and I just told him I was happy for him (as I should be, my boy got laid, even if I didn't I should be happy for him). He kept saying he had been a bad bro or w/e but I said he wasn't and he was a dope wingman and we should go out again.
I think my issue with going out with guys who are better than me is my ego, it makes me feel like less of a man when my buddies get pussy for the night and I don't (though I regularly succeed anyway and shouldn't be worried at all).
So he's offered to teach me some of the stuff he does, and one of the brokers from my office (who's also my age, he's just still in training), is ALSO a natural and a pretty incredible one from what he's been showing me on his phone. (He does actually have phone proof of the girl's he's been showing me and they're perfect 10's), like one of the girls in his real estate class who's a fitness model. He just hit on her everyday and she just asked him to "study" one day and the second time they hungout they hooked up. If that's not a natural at this game I don't know what is. The girl he was engaged too was insanely hot too, not only that when her new boyfriend was abusing her he went and kicked the shit out of him (and then she wanted to come back to his place and obviously you know what happens then; AND HE REFUSED!! This girl is fuckin bangin too). Isn't that "white knight"/Beta behavior? Saving girls from stuff? Or does that only apply if you're not sleeping with them because Natural number one that I talked about also does a lot of what we as Redpill guys would call white knight behavior (like a big tough looking dude, like twice the size of my buddy, was screaming at his girlfriend when we were out picking up and he immediately put himself on the line and told the guy to step off, and he pays for all the dates he goes on and is just a super nice guy in general and everyone loves him).
Both of these guys have offered to mentor and teach me what they know (though it's hard for them to explain what they're doing exactly, because whatever they're doing is just naturally who they are). Can a natural truly mentor someone like me who actively studies pickup? I'm not saying I have zero natural talent with women (I was doing halfway decent even before Girlschase), it's just these guys are on another level compared to me (I'm stuck in the 6,7 and 8 range, these guys blow 8's and 9's out of the water and pull 10's on a pretty regular basis).
My question is: How best to learn from them? Osmosis or actually having them teach their particular styles (we're friends so we go out anyway and I get to watch their interactions), second how do I emotionally stop myself from being annoyed when I see them doing so much better than me, I mean it really helps to have them around because they draw women in and I can actually get great interactions just literally from that. I really do have serious ego issues, I work on that everyday and I'm trying to transfer ego to entitlement instead. I try not to let other guys doing better than me bother me but it's hard especially since a lot of the new people I'm meeting and hanging out with seem to be good at a lot of things that I'm not (which I'm not used too). Is this actually the break through some of the guys told me about a couple months ago on one of my posts?
In some strange way I've found that these new "Naturals" I'm meeting seem to like me and as I've been journeying through game and continuing to make myself a better man everyday I find that we just end up clicking more; not sure why that is. They think it's hilarious that I study pickup and when I point out certain things that I've learned that they naturally do they simply chuckle and say they assumed everyone did that.
Anyway the point is going out with one of these Naturals last weekend we pulled in a high competition environment, it's the general big bar for Fraternities and Sororities in my area (the high caliber college-mid to late 20's guys and girls go there). I've made out with girls there but with him winging me I managed to pull, now granted my girl ended up passing out on top of me while we were hooking up (she quite literally fell asleep on top of me, or was pretending too because she got up and we were able to help her get to her room and put her to bed). The Natural ended up smashing the friend (who was way hotter anyway) and though my girl seemed like she wanted me to come in her room, she mentioned her roomate was sleeping and it just didn't seem like she was really that into me (no reply to my follow up text afterwards anyway). However I def learned some things by watching and pulling with him that he does and I don't do that could be why he was able to finish the job and I was not in that particular circumstance (my girl was a little more drunk, so out of my control but I still think I could have done better, the "passing out" part almost seemed fishy).
While it was definitely emotionally hard to have to go back and grab my coat at the Natural's girl's room (because I forgot it in there) and seeing them all tied up and him trying not to make me feel bad by saying "dude I'm totally just gonna pass out". Obviously he smashed (and gave me the details the next day) and I just told him I was happy for him (as I should be, my boy got laid, even if I didn't I should be happy for him). He kept saying he had been a bad bro or w/e but I said he wasn't and he was a dope wingman and we should go out again.
I think my issue with going out with guys who are better than me is my ego, it makes me feel like less of a man when my buddies get pussy for the night and I don't (though I regularly succeed anyway and shouldn't be worried at all).
So he's offered to teach me some of the stuff he does, and one of the brokers from my office (who's also my age, he's just still in training), is ALSO a natural and a pretty incredible one from what he's been showing me on his phone. (He does actually have phone proof of the girl's he's been showing me and they're perfect 10's), like one of the girls in his real estate class who's a fitness model. He just hit on her everyday and she just asked him to "study" one day and the second time they hungout they hooked up. If that's not a natural at this game I don't know what is. The girl he was engaged too was insanely hot too, not only that when her new boyfriend was abusing her he went and kicked the shit out of him (and then she wanted to come back to his place and obviously you know what happens then; AND HE REFUSED!! This girl is fuckin bangin too). Isn't that "white knight"/Beta behavior? Saving girls from stuff? Or does that only apply if you're not sleeping with them because Natural number one that I talked about also does a lot of what we as Redpill guys would call white knight behavior (like a big tough looking dude, like twice the size of my buddy, was screaming at his girlfriend when we were out picking up and he immediately put himself on the line and told the guy to step off, and he pays for all the dates he goes on and is just a super nice guy in general and everyone loves him).
Both of these guys have offered to mentor and teach me what they know (though it's hard for them to explain what they're doing exactly, because whatever they're doing is just naturally who they are). Can a natural truly mentor someone like me who actively studies pickup? I'm not saying I have zero natural talent with women (I was doing halfway decent even before Girlschase), it's just these guys are on another level compared to me (I'm stuck in the 6,7 and 8 range, these guys blow 8's and 9's out of the water and pull 10's on a pretty regular basis).
My question is: How best to learn from them? Osmosis or actually having them teach their particular styles (we're friends so we go out anyway and I get to watch their interactions), second how do I emotionally stop myself from being annoyed when I see them doing so much better than me, I mean it really helps to have them around because they draw women in and I can actually get great interactions just literally from that. I really do have serious ego issues, I work on that everyday and I'm trying to transfer ego to entitlement instead. I try not to let other guys doing better than me bother me but it's hard especially since a lot of the new people I'm meeting and hanging out with seem to be good at a lot of things that I'm not (which I'm not used too). Is this actually the break through some of the guys told me about a couple months ago on one of my posts?
