If 95% of all males don't know about sites like this....

[pickupq123]

How do they eventually end up with a girl, having little to no 'game'?

I THINK I know the answer. I'm assuming someone will say "they pick someone who is good enough, and live average ever after".

HOWEVER,

If girls have SO many options, why do they pick someone that in return is average? Do they pick someone they are comfortable/familiar with, even though they aren't the greatest choice?

 

[Drck]

I think that the whole seduction is quite overrated, it mostly helps guys who have some underlying difficulties with girls such as shyness or so. Once the guy gets little bit more comfortable with girls he realizes that he doesnt really need that many skills to get a good girl.

There already exist natural attraction between man and woman, you can't really "create" the attraction with some skills, it is already there. You put decent clothes on, take care of yourself little bit, perhaps exercise to keep fit, and then simply talk to more girls... You show that you like life, that you have something to live for and that you stand for something, you stop watching porn - and you will naturally get many girls without knowing anything about seduction.

Knowing the seduction stuff of course helps, it gives you the understanding of what is going on in the background, it fine-tunes your skills with girls, but the bottom line remains the same - if you want to get girls you have to go out and talk to them...

The problem in todays society is the men in general became mentally and physically weaker. It used to be that most men had to do physical work for living while today many have desk jobs. Office work is of course more comfortable, unfortunatelly by not moving we became more obese, and what more, we lost levels of testosterone and other hormones. Once you have higher levels it is much easier to talk to girls, you simply have bigger balls and are not so sensitive to rejections...

When you have "bigger balls" your life becomes easier. You dont have problems with talking to girls, date them and have sex with them. You dont have problems with doing different activities, sports, business... You are more optimistic, you are more creative and active, you are more of a natural leader... All this is attractive, you are simply a man that modt women seek to be around...

The question is, how to become that man (assuming that you are not)... You can imitate the attraction, you can copy what successful men do, you can learn all the seduction skills... Or you can simply work on becomming The Man...

Girls have it difficult too, they want to chose "the right one", meaning man who fits most of her expectations... Who is somehow outgoing, sexy, physically fit, has friends and access to resources, who is not uptight about sex, simply a man who other girls want as well... She also wants to "control" that guy, meaning she wants to be the one who holds the cards in the relationship. It may be quite a difficult combination to find in one guy because many of these characteristics are in contradiction. For example she may have much more fun with guy who wants sex only and is knowledgable about seduction, but because she is now older she prefers more stable guy who is not so exciting but is rather reliable provider for her potential kids. She knows that guy who is more attractive but wilder is more difficult to control in comparison to guy who is milder - so she choses the milder one because she can control him. She may also feel that the guy has knowledge about girls or seduction, which may be quite exciting on one side, but on the other she will chose someone without knowledge because he doesn't have many choices thus will likely be more faithful to her... It all depends...

 

[Godsninja]

I met a guy in Hungary who was from New York, who had a big problem with these sorts of websites, and communities about seduction and women, etc. Basically, I think it is true that 95% of guys don't go out to websites like this for self development, but these guys are then again, smart enough to realize the numbers game. They keep on pushing, and know that when they fuck up, they can analyze their fuck up, and then next time, if encountered with the exact same problem, will hit a home run. Or if different, will do better. They also have friends to fall back on for advice.

But as the previous poster said, this community is good to help people with their sticking points, hence, all these questions in the generals section

In conclusion, you are right, HENCE, why the divorce rate is so GD high. HENCE, why so many guys have problems with women and how all they want is their GD money. HENCE, it ain't too tricky as long as you're working on yourself, not being too self conscious about working on yourself, and making sure you don't let a women take you for granted (and control you).

Speaking from a lot of things I've learned in the past couple weeks.

 

[trashKENNUT]

pickupq123,

If girls have SO many options, why do they pick someone that in return is average? Do they pick someone they are comfortable/familiar with, even though they aren't the greatest choice?

Exactly, that's the whole illusion. She wants you to think that they settle for nice guys when it's actually resources from "nice guys", and sleeping with "bad boys". The whole thing is a mess.

Zac

 

[Gonzaleth]

Because most women are pretty average themselves? It is a bell-curve. Just because they are women dont automatically make them all reside in the top spectrum of the curve.

 

[RAFox]

Hello there!

A woman's beauty is quite short-lived. Her peak is generally at age 20-30.
Us men have the advantage here, as we have the ability to still look very good until, say, age 50

So, when she's past her peak and her beauty slowly dwindles, she realizes that herSexual Market Value is also decreasing. Thus, she just tries to find a good-enough man she can trade sex for security with (marriage).

Another factor might be that all the highly desirable mates are all not interested in monogamy, out playing the field, or have settled themselves.

Cheers!

 

[metomeya]

Exactly, that's the whole illusion. She wants you to think that they settle for nice guys when it's actually resources from "nice guys", and sleeping with "bad boys". The whole thing is a mess.

Zac

I don't really buy this line of thought from the seduction community. The girls who do this...you can usually spot a mile away. Are there a lot of girls like this? Yes, but that is because we have a lot of lowbrow people in the world. And you should be staying away from them in the first place.

However, I do think every girl (good or bad, classy or slutty) gets this thought in her head once in a while, just how us guys also think about cheating when in a relationship. But it doesn't mean they are going to act on it.

A girl, in reality, doesn't have that many options because she has to worry about her reputation...if destroyed she could never get married (at least to a quality guy), which is a goal for most girls...and can't just sleep with these bad boys, guys with superior genes, or whatever you want to call it.

 

[metomeya]

@RAFox - One of the greatest perks of being a guy. And it is so unfair to women. It is a beautiful thing that you can start over in life at 30, 40, and maybe even 50, if you know how to play your cards right, as a guy.

 

[metomeya]

I think that the whole seduction is quite overrated, it mostly helps guys who have some underlying difficulties with girls such as shyness or so.

There already exist natural attraction between man and woman, you can't really "create" the attraction with some skills, it is already there.

Drck, those quotes are gold.

You know, people who taught the stuff back in the late 1990s and 2000s, figured this out on their own. And other guys have figured it out too...they just don't care to write about it, or don't want to share the knowledge.

Of the 5% of guys who read this stuff, I bet 90% don't even act on it. And of the ten percent who do, easily more than 50% (probably a lot more) do a very, very bad job of it.

But people aren't stupid. If you engage the world enough, you'll figure things out on your own.

And the girls and boy who are settling on "average" usually aren't. They engaged the world and tested the waters enough to know where they belong, or know the life they want to live and the partner they need to live it.

The only person who will probably end up settling in life is the one who stays behind his computer all day long as his life passes him by.

 

[Drck]

Metomeya: You know, people who taught the stuff back in the late 1990s and 2000s, figured this out on their own. And other guys have figured it out too...they just don't care to write about it, or don't want to share the knowledge.
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I truly believe that all the skills that a guy needs to get a good woman is having "big balls". The bigger the better. I've read the "attraction has expiration date" and it makes a lot of sense, but it is not the entire truth. If the girl likes you she WILL give you many opportunities, she will go out with you many times, and if you are shy she will even help you so you can finally nail her. She will drag you to the bed so you can nail her. It has nothing to do with being a provider, you are just a good/great guy who she wants to be around as long as she can, you literally need ZERO seduction skills, all you have to do is have desire to have sex.

I also know that she may totally rejects your advances to have sex on a first date, once she figures that all you want is sex. But then she may come back second day, or even months later... she will research your name and find you, and then she will beg for it with huge window - just because she needed lots of time to make up her mind about doing it with you first...

Another thing I know is, that I'm not a "deep diver" in a sense of conversation at all. I must smile when I hear about smoothness, Im not smooth and I don't need it. I simply just talk to the woman, let her talk as much as she can because I am simply not a talker. During such "conversation", which may even take say 4 hours, she talks and talks about thousands of things. It is impossible to even distinguish what would be "deep diving" and what is not, she can go through so many topics I can't even keep up, and then repeat the same next time. Women simply like to talk. A guy can then cut the conversation off by starting physical advances. You touch, you pull back, then you touch more and more. She pushes you away, then you come back and touch again as if nothing happened. You touch everywhere you want, erotic and non-erotic areas. You are simply relentless and persistent with being physical till she gives in. She doesn't need a guy for good conversation; she wants guy to be physical because she wants sex; if not today three months later...

A guy can hit on her hard, or don't hit at all. If she likes him, he can still have great sex with her either way - if she knows that he wants it...

A guy can be dominant, asshole, or just a regular nice guy. If she likes him, he can still have great sex with her. But many times she can't really like him because he just doesn't talk to her, and she doesn't have sex with him because he doesn't push for it, he doesn't touch her at all. He doesn't talk and push for it because he is too busy with inventing seduction theories and understanding women...

There is a lot of BS in seduction, so many "skills" and knowledge are totally useless for real interaction. But they help guys who have some psychological issues. These guys don't really have problems with girls - they have problems with themselves... They are not really learning seduction skills, they are only correcting lots of psych issues about themselves... They are correcting not having enough balls...

It is all/most against what GC teaches here, but it is also the truth. I know it because it is my experience, if it works for me it must work for millions of guys out there. I'm not saying that GC is wrong, quite in contrary. If a guy knows GC stuff AND has "bigger balls", he simply have TOOLS that 95-99% of all guys are not even dreaming about. But having those great tools doesn't mean you'll get any girl you want, not at all. If she doesn't want you there is simply NOTHING you can do...

Sometimes it is just so sad to see how a guy gets totally lost in "seduction". He thinks and thinks, overanalyzes, creates complicated theories, combines unimportant details into weirdest possible conclusions... He wants to have all the tools so he can get all the women out there, which is simply unrealistic... It is not so difficult, just go out and talk to girls... you won't get every single want you want, you don't have to become a god of seduction, you don't have to worship any guys who slept with many girls, you don't have to be the most attractive/perfect guy in a room, you don't have to pretend to be somebody who you are not - just have simple fun with girls. After all, girls are also humans...

 

[Smith]

I always thought getting a gf is hard, but after I started meeting women just about everywhere, I think it's not as hard as everyone complained it to be.

A girl doesn't really have that many options. u need to keep in mind that she wants a sexy and attractive man, which is pretty rare if u ask me.

She'll have a lot of orbiters to give her validations, but not men who know what they want and go after it.

Sure, sex is not in scarcity for her, but she also needs other stuff in life that only a strong man can provide too.

Just ask any couple how they met, it would most likely be through social circle or work.

It's in women's nature to build a family, and she only has about 20 years to find a man, so time is running out fast for her than it is for us men.

I also blame internet porn, which is what's stopping most guys to go out and meet girls, and also the media for telling men to supplicate.

I cringe every time I watch a romantic movie. ( I swear watching too many of these can brain wash you into a beta male. Just watch it occasionally to get a good laugh out of it)

So back to your question, even if most guys know about sites like this, they won't believe it because it goes against what the society has been telling them.

- smith

 

[trashKENNUT]

Smith,

I cringe every time I watch a romantic movie. ( I swear watching too many of these can brain wash you into a beta male. Just watch it occasionally to get a good laugh out of it)

Too many of those romantic movies and i am sure a certified beta male. Haha! Agreed.

Zac

 

[Godsninja]

Of the 5% of guys who read this stuff, I bet 90% don't even act on it. And of the ten percent who do, easily more than 50% (probably a lot more) do a very, very bad job of it.

Where did you get these stats from!?

 

[metomeya]

The Journal of Sex Research

They have some interesting stuff. I would suggest you all read:
The "booty call": a compromise between men's and women's ideal mating strategies.