In-Field Video: If you're New, Shy or just "can't do it"

[Estate]

Hey guys,
Hope it's ok to post this. My attention was brought to the good looking loser blog about a month ago. From what I can tell, he's an average guy who by-passes the PUA stuff. His methods seem to just me, smile, workout, talk to girls, be direct and you have to get laid. Honestly, it's not a bad concept... You don't "need" all the other PUA stuff to just start meeting women. But take this and apply Chase's methods on top... the sky is the limit.

So he released a video this week of 1-hour of infield stuff... really basic. He tries to approach as a "normal shy guy" without any BS. Some of it is actually kinda awkward but he just sticks it out and gets numbers and some girls really excited in the end simply because this never happens them. (Bonus points for the blonde half way through who seems bitchy but then totally opens up to him. Attention guys who think "bombshells" are too bitchy to talk to!!!)

It's 1 hours long but if you don't have time, just skip through it and watch a few approaches. It's good stuff.

But the reason I wanted more folks to see it is because there's a lot of talk on the forum lately about "Oh, I'm X, and girls want Y" and it just doesn't have to be the case. This guy is ok but he's not Brad Pitt, he's just a regular looking guy. His style is not my taste but he it looks put together at least and he owns it. He's big but only because he talks about doing whatever he needs to build muscle (agree or disagree on his methods but what I mean is, its in his control and he does something about it). And even without any cool stories, lines, and even alot of awkwardness, the girls like it, because just approaching and talking shows some confidence.

I think it's a great watch. If you're new, shy, quiet or make excuses for this that and other reasons, give this guy a look and tell me you can't do this too and get results...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmWGes7zeNs

 

[Eternity]

I posted the same video on my "Tips and Tricks" thread lol. Yeah pretty good stuff IMO. GLL was getting trashed talked over at the RVF forum for this video saying it was faked. Pretty sure it's just jealousy and spite though. Chris comes off as genuine, honest guy. IDK why the hate...

 

[Drck]

It seems that there are different levels of seduction. There is no need to create taxonomy, but quickly:

Level 1: Typical “Nice Guy” who needs a lot of “tools” because he is not comfortable with women at all. He is shy and inexperienced. He needs to approach many girls just to get used to them; he needs to learn how to communicate with them, he needs to overcome approach anxiety and perhaps anxiety of touching girl. He needs to learn how to be sexy. He can still get her to his place but he remains unable to capitalize because he is still too nice, he has too “nice” feelings, he still see too much impurity and innocence in his girl… His big ambition is to become great seducer, he wants to seduce as many hot girls as he can. He is obsessed with seduction; once he overcomes his shyness he must go out all the time and keep seducing girls because he is very insecure about his seduction skills… There is a lot of niceness-ness in this guy, he makes everything over-complicated and difficult, he builds lots of barriers for himself thus he must learn to overcome them… This guy is still idealistic, he wants to be true lover, he wants a lot of girls to fall for him, love him, chase him admire him (it is actually quite immature when you think about it). In this sense, the guy is X and she wants Y, so the guy goes and does everything to become that Y. A lot of guys here on GC are like that…

Level 2: This guy has more guts, or balls. He has more testosterone and is more natural. He doesn’t care that much about communication or seduction with girls, he only learns and does basic stuff. He doesn’t need many tools because he has balls. He is more mature in comparison to classical Nice Guy, he is aiming more for sex and once he gets the opportunity he capitalizes… He is sexier (in comparison to Nice Guy), he is more asshole, but he is still influenced by that niceness-ness, e.g. many times he needs to pretend or learn to be “bad boy”. He still needs to learn at least some seduction skills, but this guy is not shy at all. He learns quickly and capitalizes fast… There is less idealization, he just wants to get more girls in the bed and doesn’t really care that much if they see him as a true lover. He wants to learn quick trick so he can capitalize fast. I don’t know GLL but it seems that this style would exactly fit this level; He simply bypasses lots of seduction by having balls… in this sense, he is X but does some Y stuff.

Level 3: Advanced guys. He no longer cares about seduction, all he wants is mostly sex. He doesn’t even aim for hot girls because it is too much work; 5-6/10 will do it with minimal effort. These guys are nastier, more mature, they have experience and sometimes they may appear even primitive (the reason is that they don’t aim for seduction, rather for getting laid). They don’t care much about that girl, they have no interest to be true lovers, they rather perceive women as sluts than innocent beings. “Pump and dump” will do it. You can see the style on e.g. Return of Kings, or you may have heard about David X and Brodski… Fast, quite simple, minimal feelings, dump her on the spot, perhaps even true assholes with no interest of taking care of that girl… In this sense, he is just X and doesn't give a damn about Y. She either must like X or she is out...


So, basically, the “bigger balls” you have the more manly you appear, and the more you aim for sex - and the easier the whole seduction becomes. Exercise (weight lifting) raises testosterone levels, it makes you look bigger and stronger, it is great for health, it makes you more masculine, and it also builds true confidence. The bigger balls you have and the more testosterone you have, the less you have learn about seduction – you simply go out and talk to girls, you just have fun with girls, and once the window opens you capitalize... The whole “seduction” becomes obsolete, you are simply a man while they are women, and exactly because of that there is the true Natural seduction...

 

[Stewie]

I like this breakdown but I think we can even further. Level one is spot on. This guy really needs to start from scratch because he has been engulfed with societal thinking, especially in regards to dating. Now here is where I would take the breakdown:

Level 2: nice guy with some charm. This guys has realized that just being nice and waiting does nothing but hurt him and make him look like a pansy but he still feels that he needs to be nice and loving etc. but what he does is he becomes more sexual and more of a charmer. He's still nice, but he realizes in order to get ass he needs to show some form sexual competence. Nonetheless, he still doesn't approach so much, except for maybe social circles. He still holds to that modonna who're complex and still gets hurt by women, especially those more experienced.

Level 3: ( where I consider myself). This guys has pretty much dropped the nice guy act and has learned what the hell it means to be man. He is nice so long as he sees fit and gets benefit. He's and asshole not in our traditional definition. He does some cold approach here and there but still struggles slightly with more advanced techniques. Gets laid more often than not but not with consistency. A larger sample pool and more experience will eventually get him to where he needs to be but he still may have tweaks that need fixing ( mine is doing more day game and a stronger emotional discipline).

Level 4: almost top gun. Knows the system, knows the rules, and knows where to apply them. Just needs more practice to ensure complete mastery and understanding.( correct me if i am wrong anyone but these are the guys who I would view as whizzy, anatman, etc)

Level 5: Zeus. This motherfucka knows and breathes this shit. He has done the time and is at ease with himself and his new skill. Things just flow and even if there is a mishap he can usually salvage it. These guys are where ultimately want to be. Examples are ricardus, chase (duh), Franco.

I would like to note that nowhere did I mention the number of girls slept with. This is to show that sleepy with 100s of women does not necessarily make you a great and dominant man ( which is he whole point of learning this skill if you ask me).


Thoughts?

Stewie

 

[Estate]

Guys,

Good breakdown.... BUT....

The point of posting the video is to STOP breaking down all this stuff like it's some sort of space age science. There's so much complaining and excuse making on the boards lately.
You don't need to be a master just to do what this guy is doing. Just get out there and do it. If you can pull a few numbers that way, then come back and break things down and focus on every little minute thing the articles on this site cover and then you learn and evolve and improve..

The video won't help any experienced guys but for anyone new-ish or making excuses about bombshells or whatever else... just check this guy out... there's LOTS to critique about what he does, how he acts, his body language, his conversation... but you know what... that's the point of him making the video... to just go do it anyway... just the fact you approached her makes you stand out... once you're comfortable you can refine it from there... but you should be able to at least do what this guy does.

 

[Drck]

True, it can be divided into many different levels and sublevels. The main point is that the more balls you have the less seduction skills you need. As a matter of fact, seduction skills is nothing more than exposure to women; once you have some exposure and are horny enough, there is simply no way you can't get laid...

 

[Drck]

I'm always talking about simplicity - no matter who you are, just go out and talk to girls... Once you talk to them, and you are horny enough, there is simply no way you can't get laid...

It's actually even simpler than that, in essence there is no need to follow any guy or any style, everyone can do it on his own... Which of course sounds impossible for guys who don't talk to girls at all..

 

[ProblemSolving]

Good post. I"m a big fan of Chris (Good Looking Loser).

The reason why PUA sites hate this guy so much is because his entire blog is anti-game. You don't need to be an amazing wordsmith with a silver tongue, just look as good as possible and talk to A LOT of chicks - really simple, and it works. GC is very similar in the sense that it stresses fundamentals over "game", although GC is even better at breaking down WHY things work and others don't.

Chris also doesn't bullshit about his results. He even admits he only managed to meet up with 3 of the 10 girls despite having many favorable interactions. Read his articles on "Sexual Availability" to understand why even attractive, sexy guys get "rejected" on cold approach.
[url=http://www.goodlookingloser.c...w.goodlookingloser.com/more/ar ... ers-game//[/url]

Hint: It doesn't have anything to do with you or your game.

 

[good looking loser]

Thank you for the support guys. I appreciate it very much.

The thread at RooshV had some ulterior motives (GLL - McQueen, 2014 behind the scenes Beef) and that's one the only reasons I responded to it. By and large, people who have done pickup or are open-minded get that our stuff isn't fake. So too do most of our "haters".

I've been called "fake" by a small minority on every single video I've ever made, even the ones that have pathetic video quality that were shot on that lighter camera I used to use that show me getting a phone number and leaving. I've dealt with it for 3 years and there's really no winning with certain people.

the RVF "controversy" is dead and all is well. I totally encourage you guys to read over it if you are interested.
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-37295.html

Anyway, this post was just a thank you and an extra thank to Chase for allowing my 1st professional video to be posted.

A lot of forums immediately destroy any and all links/video or references to our community, under the excuse of that "that's an adult site" (since there's lots of adult pictures in our forum and I have nudity of myself on there).

So yeah - Thanks.

** btw - it took 3 tries to answer the spambot question
why c________g women doesn't work.

I tried "Courting"
I tried "Cumming"
I finally got it though.

 

[Eternity]

You're welcome Chris. I hope you visit and post more often on the boards.

 

[Drck]

I browsed through some articles on the GLL site & like the style (good job Chris). IMO GLL is practical for most guys. Exercise to keep healthy, look strong, build confidence and attraction, talk to lots of girls and screen them out, then get physical and push for sex...

GC knowledge is great, excellent for understanding the whole mechanics of interaction with women, but again, once you grow some balls you can simply skip lots of stuff...

 

[MisterX]

I smell this video being fake.

This guy gets those girls to want him by talking about how terrible the city is with junkies outside, how his neighbor ruined his life with drugs, how he's not player and not good with girls, about how medicine is like law, about how americans are fat and lazy, the fiber content in a protein bar.. And basically going to bad topics that lead to no-where.

I think you can do without lots of this stuff he's saying and his vibe was a bit more of the nice guy - friend. And he was a bit reaction not results, meaning getting the girls to laugh and being funny.

And the last girl "finding out she's being filmed" is genius. If it's fake you throw that one in so it makes it look real like "she found out so you see it's not fake - it's 100% real"

It either took him 100-200 approaches and those were just girls who liked him very much and didn't care much about what he's talking about, or it's fake.



On another note I liked how he turned the "you're a player" on the girl so that now she's the one who's naughty, how when on girl suggested he come to a gathering with her friends, he told her to come to his place instead. And that he has a clear goal - ask her what she's doing later/during the weekend and ask for a date/phone number. And doing it relatively quick 5-10 minutes of talk and asking.

I think you can do without saying some or most of the things and it'll go even better.


[Edit] With that final girl when he starts talking about how he approaches girls - it seems like he's not that good. You won't see James Bond or Casanova telling a girl "I just go to girls and tell them I'm shy and they're cute". He's basically bragging how he's using a routine with girls - the same line with every single girl.

And also telling a girl "you're cute" is bad. It's so generic - you can say it to literally every girl you meet(and girls know and can feel this). I does nothing to make her feel special, or like you really like HER specifically, like she's not the 100 girl you've approached today.. It does not appear genuine and spontaneous - it sounds like a line that you use on very girl you meet
- that's why the one called him out on "being a player". She even told him "you seem to have it too much together" which is a nice way to say it sounds rehearsed.

That's why you'll see Chase telling you when you're gonna be direct you pick something you genuinely like and is specific about her that is unique to her.


Btw does anyone find it strange that the girl's voices are so clear and high even when they are 5 meters(15 feet) away. For someone who's worried about how much it'll cost he seems to have really high-end microphones.


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[Eternity]

It's not. This was debated countlessly on the RVF forum and he gave great answers to all the "doubters". He was dumbing down his game, his vibe screams "experience", that's why it looks effortless. He has done this many times before with women. Cute sounds generic? It works way better than "you are so pretty" or "gorgeous"... that sounds try hard.

 

[Estate]

It really doesn't matter if it's real or not.

Arguing it's not just says you can't even do that much. By doubting hin your saying you can't even approach with a simple Hello... let alone implement the great stuff Chase writes about. It's a cop out. By doubting him you give yourself an out to never try.


All he is doing is showing that you can start a conversation even if you're a little awkward and without any game. It's that simple. How else do you think people have conversed for hundreds of years? Will all those women jump his bones? Probably not. But if you can at least be comfortable with an approach like this. It's easy to refine it using the stuff on this site. By copping out and saying simply walking over and and starting even an awkward conversation does not work defies logic.

 

[MisterX]

It's not. This was debated countlessly on the RVF forum and he gave great answers to all the "doubters". He was dumbing down his game, his vibe screams "experience", that's why it looks effortless. He has done this many times before with women. Cute sounds generic? It works way better than "you are so pretty" or "gorgeous"... that sounds try hard.

Gorgeous or pretty is also generic and this shows you miss the point - those are also not specific. I'd love to hear Chases two cents about who is right you saying it's better to use lines and routines or to be genuine and specific with your compliments.

And btw his vibe scream "dumb frat guy" not smooth intelligent James Bond/Casanova/ real man with class, seducer. It might work on 18-19 year old party girls, but he doesn't have style to go after a high caliber woman his own age, BASED ON WHAT I SAW IN THIS VIDEO.

And btw where I live this screams douche or creep

Estate: Arguing it's not just says you can't even do that much. By doubting hin your saying you can't even approach with a simple Hello... let alone implement the great stuff Chase writes about. It's a cop out. By doubting him you give yourself an out to never try.

Estate, I've actually noticed that you are the total "ignorant and close-minded American" stereotype. Very frequently you don't even read or get the point of what people are saying and you start insulting and attacking. I never said it's 100% fake - I say it looks suspicious and I have doubts. I'm not the kind of person who believes everything just because someone says it's true on the internet. And btw you saying that because I doubt some guy - it means I can't do it, so if you doubt some newbie who's overweight that he sleeps with lot's of hot girls - it also means you can't approach girls right? You're saying if you doubt any person and don't believe absolutely everything you hear and read on the internet - it means you can't do it yourself?

BTW saying I can't do it by your logic means that you admit that you also can't do it..

I also imply that this kind of approach didn't work for me at all and I had to tweak my process. So it seems a bit suspicious how easily it works on those videos and btw considering how it's proven how almost 95% of those "picking up girls videos " on youtube are fake, especially those of Vitalyzdtv.

Plus I said if it's real it must have taken lots of approached to get those responses 50-100 probably - if you also deny this and say I'm bad because you actually get 100% success rate when approaching - it doesn't speak well for you.


And I'm one more attacking statement from putting you in your place. Stop attacking and saying I(or someone else) can't even do that much to even approach a girl because I doubt the abilities of some guy. You who are probably a 35 year old overweight programmer who lives in his parents basement among empty mountain dew bottles and pizza boxes, spending all free time playing World of Warkraft and reading all the pickup websites. Then study on all the technical stuff and go on the forums to tell others, who actually go out and approach, how they are losers and not as good as you. You probably haven't even touched a woman.

It's easy standing in front of a laptop and reading all the posts and understanding the technical stuff and writing forum post after forum post, proving how great you are and climbing the ranks, because Franco hasn't met you to see how bad you actually are.

So go hide behind that Colin Farrell picture and keep telling everyone how great of a seducer you are and how others are bad at it. But insult me one more time and it's on. I'm not the kind of person who'll let someone push me around.

If you keep having that big mouth we can talk to Chase to put up a videotaping section on the forum(like a vlog section) where you, me and all those with big mouths show ourselves on camera then go out record the approaches and post them every week on the boards so everyone can see who actually goes out and approaches and who is a keyboard jockey. No more hiding behind written field reports with absolutely ZERO proof you actually did it.




Side note - I've noticed that this forum has changed and become a hostile place where you constantly get attacked. There are 10-15 guys who spend hours on the forum all day and gang up on those who actually go out to meet women and don't have time to post 1000-1500 post on a forum..

It used to be a place where you'd get help and learn, and turned to a place you have a bunch of guys telling everyone how great they are and how much above the others they are. And also marketing another seduction website - which this post actually is. If you can't even take a guy doubting if this is genuine(because almost every video is fake) without getting mad and start attacking and insulting, it's shows you're promoting the website and the guy - trying to convince everyone how great he is. I wouldn't be surprised if one of you is this "Good Looking Loser" trolling on GC to steal content and then go post it on his website. You take it way to seriously and personally IMO.


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[Eternity]

Gorgeous or pretty is also generic and this shows you miss the point - those are also not specific. I'd love to hear Chases two cents about who is right you saying it's better to use lines and routines or to be genuine and specific with your compliments.

And btw his vibe scream "dumb frat guy" not smooth intelligent James Bond/Casanova/ real man with class, seducer. It might work on 18-19 year old party girls, but he doesn't have style to go after a high caliber woman his own age, BASED ON WHAT I SAW IN THIS VIDEO.

And btw where I live this screams douche or creep

He'll say both depending on your style, but if you want to go ahead and ask him it does not bother me at all. Douchebags tend to sleep with more girls than betas/nice guys. Not everyone will be James Bond or Casanova, some will gravitate towards Tucker Max or other assholes. To me this video is legit, don't really care if anyone else thinks different. You want to debate it, go to the RVF thread, plenty of like minded guys.

 

[Franky]

Thank you for the support guys. I appreciate it very much.

The thread at RooshV had some ulterior motives (GLL - McQueen, 2014 behind the scenes Beef) and that's one the only reasons I responded to it. By and large, people who have done pickup or are open-minded get that our stuff isn't fake. So too do most of our "haters".

I've been called "fake" by a small minority on every single video I've ever made, even the ones that have pathetic video quality that were shot on that lighter camera I used to use that show me getting a phone number and leaving. I've dealt with it for 3 years and there's really no winning with certain people.

the RVF "controversy" is dead and all is well. I totally encourage you guys to read over it if you are interested.
http://www.rooshvforum.com/thread-37295.html

Anyway, this post was just a thank you and an extra thank to Chase for allowing my 1st professional video to be posted.

A lot of forums immediately destroy any and all links/video or references to our community, under the excuse of that "that's an adult site" (since there's lots of adult pictures in our forum and I have nudity of myself on there).

So yeah - Thanks.

** btw - it took 3 tries to answer the spambot question
why c________g women doesn't work.

I tried "Courting"
I tried "Cumming"
I finally got it though.

Thanks Chris. But I recalled you had said most of the PUA forums are trash. Since you came here does that mean you think Chase's website is good?

 

[good looking loser]

For the record, I'm completely new here - I've obviously heard of Chase, he's been kind enough not to remove link to my youtube/gll, but - I don't know what his leading principles are,etc.
forgive me- I'm just too busy to keep up with stuff (I'm def. check it out). I don't even know what RSD teaches, I'm in the "circle" but out of the loop

yes, you are correct, I believe that vast majority of mainstream PUA boards aren't productive and often counterproductive.

In my video, I was largely referring to the big generic ones where there's no primary program/platform/mindset and it's just one big "free for all" of guys without pictures or videos of themselves giving "expert" advice. This place is not one of those.

I assume Chase has a program or general/focused approach that he has you guys working on.
edit: yeah he does - a ton of step-by-step how articles

In which case, a forum can be good for accountability and feedback - in that order.

In my opinion, the Internet is no place to get good with meeting women or building your social skills, so all forums (including mine) has it limitations. We just try to do the best we can, perhaps Chase would agree - obviously he has some experience.

Forums/Content sometimes seem productive (woah! Now I get it!), but it can all go out the window when you leave the house because of anxiety and inexperience. Anxiety (fight/flight) is involuntarily triggered and only experience/repetition can get rid of it.

There is definitely such thing as "information overload" and legit learning only come from doing, not hearing/reading.

I'll definitely browse around here some more (it will be the only Pickup site I've visited in 7 months)

 

[Big Daddy]

** btw - it took 3 tries to answer the spambot question
why c________g women doesn't work.

I tried "Courting"
I tried "Cumming"
I finally got it though.

Hahahaha

Chris,

I've never heard of you before, that's a really cool video. There are lots of references to other PU forums/videos here, so I doubt that that will be a problem. Looking forward to see you posting around here!