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Beam

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Holy shit. Where to begin with this doozy.

Sunday I woke up around 12pm after a late Saturday night out with Gold (my housemate if you've been following my journal). I heard him laughing in his room talking on the phone with a chick, and telling her to come around in half an hour. I figured based on what they were saying that this was the stripper he'd banged the previous Monday while working from home. After a couple of minutes I heard, his friend J (who was visiting for the weekend) go into his room. J was an old mate of his - around my height, black, built like a motherfucker with tatts and a beard. A super cool, chill dude.

They started chatting and I overhear Gold convincing him to spitroast this chick together, that "she's totally down for it bro I'm telling you". This piqued my interest (and yeah I wanted in on the action, because why the fuck not), so I got up and went out - "sounds like there's something crazy happening over here".

They both laugh, I recall the events of the previous night to Gold (who got so drunk he didn't remember what happened). Then he starts telling me about the spitroast and telling me to join. "This is going to be fucking hilarious bro, I'm telling you. She'll be here in like 10 minutes, I'll convince her then bring you boys up"

After not much convincing, J and I both agree. J then says he needs a drink, goes and grabs one for all of us. I pop an old viagra pill I had lying around (which might have been expired, hadn't used it in like a year) just in case, then head down and start drinking with J while watching TV.

J: Yeah lets just chill here and watch TV. I don't want to be sitting there just waiting hahaha

We have too much, must have had around 3ish in the space of 30 minutes (she was late).

She arrives

Gold comes downstairs and tells us she's here. J and I are sitting on the couch when she walks in - we turn back. She comes over and we both embrace her with a smile. The first thing I notice is she is not nearly as attractive as I remember. Kinda sexy body and cute face but nothing remarkable.

She sits down on a beanbag next to us on the couch and tells Gold "Lets stay here" excitedly but Gold says "Nah, lets head upstairs" and off they go.

J: Yeah, this chick is totally down bro. You saw she wanted to stay here. Fucking nuts hahaha

After 15 minutes we're chilling there and I check messenger. Gold had messaged us like 10 minutes ago saying to both come up and bring him a drink. He hadn't messaged J and we'd missed it. So we poured some drinks, had one more ourselves and headed up. Even a couple drinks in I was still pretty nervous.

We walk inside and are greeted with Gold completely naked with a condom on, but S (the girl) has her clothes on, which J and I are both surprised about. Immediately I felt something was off. S went for a drink. J then glanced at Gold and took off his pants, and so me, following their lead, did the same.

S: Oh gosh. Can we like, sit and chat for a bit first? Lets have some drinks

J and I both sensed this and he covered up with a towel, while I sat down with one of the bedsheets. Gold was standing there still having a great time. S was clearly a bit overwhelmed.

S: So many naked men. Gold, why didn't you tell me they were coming? Like, if you had just asked if I wanted a gangbang I probably would have said yes.

We start playing some music, S chooses some songs that she wants. She starts twerking against Gold who starts playing her ass like a drum. He gets me in on it and I start slapping her ass to the tune of the beat. She's smiling, The boys are loving it.

After a while, she suggests going to the bath:

S: I want to have a bath. I'm going to turn the water on

She then left to go to the bathroom with a vodka. Gold is still just relaxed as all hell.

Gold: Hahaha. She's pretending to be all high and mighty but she wants it dues. Trust me, I'm telling you.

We both believed him. But I knew she needed more comfort with us first. Just because a girl is open to something, doesn't mean when it happens she's going to just jump in without any nerves or without feeling overwhelmed.

We grab more drinks and head to the bath. By this point I was starting to feel quite tipsy already. And when I get tipsy I don't talk as much. We're all inside the bath, S lying on Gold, J and I next to each other. Chilling and chatting but nothing is happening. I don't know where to put my hands so they're just resting on Ss leg.

After a while of nothing Gold suggests heading back to the room. J and I get out and go, but Gold and S stay by chatting intensely.

They both come into the room after a short while at which point S says

S: Hey guys, I think I just want to fuck him (Gold). So yeah

Gold is protesting this "nah, come on". S goes outside to the balcony. J follows and they start chatting. I go outside and start chatting with them too, but then S soon after goes back inside to Gold. J heads downstairs.

S went to the bathroom again and Gold and I start chatting.

Gold: Bro, she wants it I'm telling you.
Me: Dude, she clearly is not comfortable.


As I’m saying this, S comes back. She must have seen the genuine look of concern on my face because immediately she felt more comfortable. She comes over, grabs my hand and starts making out. Then goes onto the bed. I follow, and she starts twerking on my naked dick with me slapping her ass. Gold comes up and starts making out with her. He then pulls me in for a double makeout but she pulls back .”Too much!!”

This seems to have crashed her state because again she says “I think I just want to fuck him (Gold).

I tell Gold I’m leaving and head downstairs.

Downstairs, J and I start chatting.

J: Yeah, it went 0 to 100 real quick. I'm not surprised she's not comfortable. Going in and taking off our pants right away was a bad idea. I was surprised Gold was already naked. And she wasn't. He's too confident sometimes, doesn't really read the room.
Me: Yeah. And even though he said she wanted it, like, we're still strangers and she needs comfort. I don't care if she's a stripper and has been with a hundred guys, she still doesn't want to feel like a slut.
J: Yeah man, she wants to protect some of her dignity. I'm going to order us some food man. What do you want.

We order Uber Eats, then hear Gold and S fucking upstairs.

J: Dude, lets go in again. But staged. I'll go in first now, you wait 5 minutes then come in.

J goes in, and I wait. After 5 minutes, I go in. J and Gold are both on top of S making out and fingerbanging her at the same time. Her eyes are closed and she looks to be in pure pleasure. I have no idea wtf to do so go in between her legs and start kissing close to her pussy (their fingers and in the way). She comes and immediately after gets up and looks surprised to see me.

Another state crash. She goes a bit quite.

S: Hey, so. I think I just want to fuck them

My stomach sinks but I play it cool. Whatever. Gold starts protesting.

Gold: Nah what do you mean?
S: I don’t know. I just, don’t feel comfortable
Gold: From when?
S: I don’t know. Like from the start. It’s not that you’re not sexy. It’s just.. I don’t know.

Gold motions for me to go closer to her. In my drunken state I do and she moves further back

S: I said no!

I tell Gold I’m leaving. He looks disappointed.

I head outside and lie in my bed staring outside. All the negative thoughts of chicks saying similar things to me “He’s attractive but I just don’t feel it” come flooding back.

I’m lying down when I hear the door open and someone walking downstairs. I can’t stand just lying there so I go downstairs. J is there

J: Yo dude, how are you doing?

Me: Yeah look not good.

J: Dude I had to come down. After that I just couldn’t fuck her bro. Like, she’s not even that hot. I’m like what am I doing.

I wouldn’t taken it personally though. Like, I think she might just have a preference. I think she just wants niggas. We look like niggas. You’re a handsome fucker but you’re not a nigga bro.

Me: Yeah I guess so.

J: I don’t think I even want to go back up. Lets chill here.


I confess that this is a bit of a recurring thing with chicks finding me physically attractive but not wanting to progress much further and then ask him if there’s something about me that’s obvious, that chicks might pick up on.


J: Yes bro. You’re just like me, I see myself in you. You’re a thinker, not a feeler. You analyze the situation instead of just relaxing into it. I’m the same. Honestly bro, haven’t known you for long but you are one of the most self aware people I have ever met.

J: If we were both just dumb confident tradies that went in there not giving a fuck right from the start, she would have been fucking all of us right now, guaranteed. But we like to think things through. And honestly, that’s not a bad thing. I don’t want to change that part of myself just for some broads.


We heard noises, and S started coming down the stairs. I tried not to let anything show so I smiled and chatted. She asked me if there was any alcohol, I got up and pointed her to where there was some more. I’m not sure how it happened but we start play fighting and wrestling a bit. When I embrace her close she laughs and goes “hahaha, noo too much”

After grabbing the drink she then says “Come back upstairs” enthusiastically.

Ok, things are fluctuating. I’m so confused.

I go up, start drinking. J is there. His food arrives, he heads down. I’m there with Gold. Gold then motions for me to make a move but at this point I’m just staying put not doing anything. I’m too afraid to make a move again.

“I’m just gonna chill here”.

Gold makes out with her, then motions again.

S is laughing. “Why are you being so weird Gold? Stop forcing it”.

She then pulls my hand and brings me in for a makeout. It ends and I’m sitting there again with the drink in my hand. S gets up and leaves for the bathroom. Gold and I start and he starts lavishing me with praise, maybe cause he sensed I was feeling bad:

Gold: Dude, I’m so glad I moved here. I’ve never lived with anything I didn’t know beforehand and it worked out so bloody well.
Me: Cheers bro

Gold: Like, you’re an absolute legend. Even all my mates when you’r not there keep asking “Where’s Beam”

Me: Haha, appreciate it.

S comes back and starts making out with Gold. I say I’m going to get food too. I’m feeling pretty confident things have turned around. I’m drunk as hell right now too. J and I are eating when J hears them fucking upstairs, then he rushes upstairs with me behind him. He gets in and starts fucking S right as I’m next to her. He finishes and leaves.

Gold motions to me again and I come back in, this time a bit harder but S stops me. Another state crash.

S: I’m sorry, but I think I just want to fuck him (Gold). Can you please leave?

Gold protests again but S is firm. Gold is not having it, he motions for me to stay and then leaves the room so just S and I are there. S rolls over asleep. I try to say something to her but she’s not listening.

I give up and leave, heading down to the couch. Gold and J are both there, they look excited when I arrive but I break the news that nothing happened.

J then gets up, goes upstairs. Gold and I chat and he again says that she wants it. In my drunken state I believe him, even though this was iffy from a consential point of view.

Gold: Bro, she wants it. She was telling me. I want you to go up there. You’re going to open the door, and you’re going to fuck her. No hesitation or doubt. Animal mode.

Me: I’m not gonna get hard bro. I might just go to my room and try to first then come in.

Gold: Ok.


I go to my room, and lie down, trying to relax and make myself hard. I hear a commotion in the other room but it dies down. Once I’m fully hard and put on a condom and go in, but Gold and S are passed out in the bed. Don’t know where J is and I am fully out of it. I go back to my room and pass out.

This morning I got up, got into my work clothes. As I’m walking out S sees me in my work gear, looks me up and down with a smile and says “you look dashing”. Then starts asking me questions, what I do for work etc. I make small talk, then she goes back to Golds room while I leave for work.

And thus ends our story.


Closing thoughts:

While I was drunk and emotional at the time at the rejection, I now am not taking things too personally about how things went down. I hold no resentment towards anyone. Would have been nice to get the lay but whatevs

I am bothered by the fact that this seems to be a result of a sticking point that has been notoriously difficult for me to overcome (women finding me physically attractive but not feeling comfortable around me), and which I feel if I solved, the floodgates would open and instead of a bunch of almosts, would finally start seeing consistent action.

I feel like I don’t yet have that core masculine presence that women just automatically feel safe and comfortable around. I feel that part of how I am presenting myself still just puts many women on the defensive and makes them a bit uncomfortable and mistrustful of my intentions.

I notice that me personally, I feel really comfortable around J and Gold. They are both masculine yet non threatening. And they are two of the most positive people I have met. J even said “I’m like, the least likely person to commit suicide ever. I’m just.. positive. But I’m not pushover. I’ll tell girls things as they are. Like, if I’m dumping her cause I find another girl hotter, I’ll tell her that.” I thought that was a bit rough but it’s an insight into the way their minds work.

I feel like they don’t judge me at all, that they’re truly looking out for me. J messaged me saying to chat to him if ever I needed after flying back. Women probably feel this from them, but I suspect many don’t feel that from me.

And perhaps for a reason. I still have many negative thoughts and am fundamentally dissatisfied with where I am in life. I feel like I’m still too preoccupied with myself to really relax and give positive experiences to others. Most of the time at least, not all the time.

Plenty of work to do.
 
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Chase

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Hey @Beam,

Wild times. Just something that stood out to me as I read through this that's worth pondering on:

We walk inside and are greeted with Gold completely naked with a condom on, but S (the girl) has her clothes on, which J and I are both surprised about. Immediately I felt something was off. S went for a drink. J then glanced at Gold and took off his pants, and so me, following their lead, did the same.

All right so the two of you walk in. J makes a move (takes his pants off). You see what J does and follow (also take your pants off).

J and I both sensed this and he covered up with a towel, while I sat down with one of the bedsheets.

Again J makes a move (covers up). You see what J does and follow (also cover up).

As I’m saying this, S comes back. She must have seen the genuine look of concern on my face because immediately she felt more comfortable. She comes over, grabs my hand and starts making out. Then goes onto the bed. I follow, and she starts twerking on my naked dick with me slapping her ass.

Now here, you're being chill, on your own, and she finally starts making moves herself. Things are turning around.

Gold comes up and starts making out with her. He then pulls me in for a double makeout but she pulls back .”Too much!!”

But, oops -- Gold makes a move, then pulls you in and you follow. She resists.

J goes in, and I wait. After 5 minutes, I go in. J and Gold are both on top of S making out and fingerbanging her at the same time. Her eyes are closed and she looks to be in pure pleasure. I have no idea wtf to do so go in between her legs and start kissing close to her pussy (their fingers and in the way). She comes and immediately after gets up and looks surprised to see me.

J goes in (probably announces himself some way or other). Then you follow, but sort of sneak your way to the pussy, surprising her.

We heard noises, and S started coming down the stairs. I tried not to let anything show so I smiled and chatted. She asked me if there was any alcohol, I got up and pointed her to where there was some more. I’m not sure how it happened but we start play fighting and wrestling a bit. When I embrace her close she laughs and goes “hahaha, noo too much”

After grabbing the drink she then says “Come back upstairs” enthusiastically.

Now, here, you're again being chill, on your own, and she starts getting into it and invites you to join again.

J and I are eating when J hears them fucking upstairs, then he rushes upstairs with me behind him. He gets in and starts fucking S right as I’m next to her. He finishes and leaves.

Gold motions to me again and I come back in, this time a bit harder but S stops me. Another state crash.

J runs upstairs, and you follow. He fucks her and leaves. Then Gold motions you in, and you follow. She stops you.

This morning I got up, got into my work clothes. As I’m walking out S sees me in my work gear, looks me up and down with a smile and says “you look dashing”. Then starts asking me questions, what I do for work etc. I make small talk, then she goes back to Golds room while I leave for work.

Again, the next day, you are being chill, on your own, and once again she is re-interested.

Closing thoughts:

While I was drunk and emotional at the time at the rejection, I now am not taking things too personally about how things went down. I hold no resentment towards anyone. Would have been nice to get the lay but whatevs

I am bothered by the fact that this seems to be a result of a sticking point that has been notoriously difficult for me to overcome (women finding me physically attractive but not feeling comfortable around me), and which I feel if I solved, the floodgates would open and instead of a bunch of almosts, would finally start seeing consistent action.

I feel like I don’t yet have that core masculine presence that women just automatically feel safe and comfortable around. I feel that part of how I am presenting myself still just puts many women on the defensive and makes them a bit uncomfortable and mistrustful of my intentions.

I notice that me personally, I feel really comfortable around J and Gold. They are both masculine yet non threatening. And they are two of the most positive people I have met. J even said “I’m like, the least likely person to commit suicide ever. I’m just.. positive. But I’m not pushover. I’ll tell girls things as they are. Like, if I’m dumping her cause I find another girl hotter, I’ll tell her that.” I thought that was a bit rough but it’s an insight into the way their minds work.

I feel like they don’t judge me at all, that they’re truly looking out for me. J messaged me saying to chat to him if ever I needed after flying back. Women probably feel this from them, but I suspect many don’t feel that from me.

And perhaps for a reason. I still have many negative thoughts and am fundamentally dissatisfied with where I am in life. I feel like I’m still too preoccupied with myself to really relax and give positive experiences to others. Most of the time at least, not all the time.

Plenty of work to do.

Yeah, all that.

But the big thing: when you are being chill, acting as your own man, you are attractive.

When you're being reactive and just following other dudes' leads, unattractive.

Chicks dig guys who are leaders -- or at least self-sufficient. They feel unsafe and not attracted to men who are followers.

It was a new situation for you, you were out of your element, so it's no black mark on your card.

However, if you want to be the dude the chick is not objecting to like this, you have to be able to be in charge of yourself, and not be in the position where you are following. That doesn't mean you need to be the alpha telling everyone else there what to do. You just have to be doing your own thing, when you feel it, listening to your own instincts, and not be the clueless dude watching the other dudes for cues about what to do.

I would point out here that J didn't know what to do either -- he rushed in and whipped his pants off, left, went back in later, was running all around, etc. But he was doing stuff he thought might be correct, then adjusting when he realized it wasn't. He was not waiting for cues from Gold or you... he was just running off his own sense of what he thought he ought to do, and responding to cues from the girl.

You on the other hand weren't responding to cues from the girl -- you were checking the men for cues, then doing things like going straight to the pussy when she didn't know you were there (that's some blatant cue-skipping if I ever saw it!), getting confused when she started inviting you back up.

I would focus on getting more attuned to women: reading their signs and signals, taking action on what they are, and listening more to your gut + girls rather than so much what the other men around you are doing.

Chase
 

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some points:

- the dynamics were horrible, that is not how to do it at all, very sloppy the 3 of you, again that is not how is done...
- alcohol tends to cause whisky dick, i don't drink.
-too much going on does not let you relax and feel chemistry with the women, plus she was not really your type....

Gold overreached too much, he was sloppy in this one...
 
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Beam

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Hey @Beam,

Wild times. Just something that stood out to me as I read through this that's worth pondering on:



All right so the two of you walk in. J makes a move (takes his pants off). You see what J does and follow (also take your pants off).



Again J makes a move (covers up). You see what J does and follow (also cover up).



Now here, you're being chill, on your own, and she finally starts making moves herself. Things are turning around.



But, oops -- Gold makes a move, then pulls you in and you follow. She resists.



J goes in (probably announces himself some way or other). Then you follow, but sort of sneak your way to the pussy, surprising her.



Now, here, you're again being chill, on your own, and she starts getting into it and invites you to join again.



J runs upstairs, and you follow. He fucks her and leaves. Then Gold motions you in, and you follow. She stops you.



Again, the next day, you are being chill, on your own, and once again she is re-interested.



Yeah, all that.

But the big thing: when you are being chill, acting as your own man, you are attractive.

When you're being reactive and just following other dudes' leads, unattractive.

Chicks dig guys who are leaders -- or at least self-sufficient. They feel unsafe and not attracted to men who are followers.

It was a new situation for you, you were out of your element, so it's no black mark on your card.

However, if you want to be the dude the chick is not objecting to like this, you have to be able to be in charge of yourself, and not be in the position where you are following. That doesn't mean you need to be the alpha telling everyone else there what to do. You just have to be doing your own thing, when you feel it, listening to your own instincts, and not be the clueless dude watching the other dudes for cues about what to do.

I would point out here that J didn't know what to do either -- he rushed in and whipped his pants off, left, went back in later, was running all around, etc. But he was doing stuff he thought might be correct, then adjusting when he realized it wasn't. He was not waiting for cues from Gold or you... he was just running off his own sense of what he thought he ought to do, and responding to cues from the girl.

You on the other hand weren't responding to cues from the girl -- you were checking the men for cues, then doing things like going straight to the pussy when she didn't know you were there (that's some blatant cue-skipping if I ever saw it!), getting confused when she started inviting you back up.

I would focus on getting more attuned to women: reading their signs and signals, taking action on what they are, and listening more to your gut + girls rather than so much what the other men around you are doing.

Chase

Hey Chase,

Thanks for the response. Wild times indeed. When you lay it out like that it does make it obvious. My instincts were there, but I put them aside and followed Gold as he was so sure of himself and I thought he knew something I didn't, but should have backed myself. I'm not clueless after all given some of the experiences I've had.

Funny how an experience like this has such parallels with life. When you take charge of your life, steering and commanding it, being decisive, maybe fucking up but readjusting, women sense and are attracted/chase. When you are floating at the whims of others, unsure, following along with what others are doing instead of trusting yourself and what you want to do, women can also sense this and are repelled.

A perfect case study into the behaviors of men who get what they want vs the behaviors of ones who have a tougher time.
 

Beam

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some points:

- the dynamics were horrible, that is not how to do it at all, very sloppy the 3 of you, again that is not how is done...
- alcohol tends to cause whisky dick, i don't drink.
-too much going on does not let you relax and feel chemistry with the women, plus she was not really your type....

Gold overreached too much, he was sloppy in this one...
Yeah, went way too hard on the alcohol. Could barely function at work the next day due to the hangover...
 

Beam

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I can't believe I forgot to add probably the craziest bloody part of the whole experience. I didn't realise this until after the fact. S and I had met before. And how?

I had actually cold approached her in DG like almost 2 years ago and instagram closed (initially she was going to give her my number but then switched to insta). Nothing eventuated from it. She looked familiar, I checked my insta and sure enough, it was the same girl.

And the previous night, I met a girl who's sister I dated from cold approach, WHO WAS THERE when I cold approached her with my friend, like a year and a half ago. Again, thought she looked familiar.

Burning through this city. Lol
 
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I can't believe I forgot to add probably the craziest bloody part of the whole experience. I didn't realise this until after the fact. S and I had met before. And how?

I had actually cold approached her in DG like almost 2 years ago and instagram closed (initially she was going to give her my number but then switched to insta). Nothing eventuated from it. She looked familiar, I checked my insta and sure enough, it was the same girl.

And the previous night, I met a girl who's sister I dated from cold approach, WHO WAS THERE when I cold approached her with my friend, like a year and a half ago. Again, thought she looked familiar.

Burning through this city. Lol
yeah this is common, i had sex with girls and then realized met them years earlier...or girls i had sex that bump into them and had no idea who they were.... this will happen too...
 

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Thanks for the response. Wild times indeed. When you lay it out like that it does make it obvious. My instincts were there, but I put them aside and followed Gold as he was so sure of himself and I thought he knew something I didn't, but should have backed myself. I'm not clueless after all given some of the experiences I've had.

Didn't you notice how Gold totally amogged the living crap out of you?

I would have done the same if I wanted the girl for myself. And I kind of did in the report I posted not long ago. I think you should give it a read.

Best,
Teevster
 

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Didn't you notice how Gold totally amogged the living crap out of you?

I would have done the same if I wanted the girl for myself. And I kind of did in the report I posted not long ago. I think you should give it a read.

Best,
Teevster
Your report is a new lay and a dude that was not your friend....

Gold fucked her before and wanted to share with friends i do this a lot ... you are projecting.... gold is just sloppy natural that wanted to see how far and powerful he is over the girl, big ego...

Also he was a bit drunk, he was also skipping steps this is not how is done... the way i do it is to take time to sell my friends and make the girl feel cool and important and she will do something cool and exiting... finally i orchestrate for it to happen smoothly, all of the set up sloopy... he was acting and projecting like a girl is a dude, overeached...
 

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Didn't you notice how Gold totally amogged the living crap out of you?

I would have done the same if I wanted the girl for myself. And I kind of did in the report I posted not long ago. I think you should give it a read.

Best,
Teevster
Yeah. @Beam Chase is right about you not marching to your own drum in this situation. But my read is that ultimately this came down to bad leadership on Gold's part. He is the dude setting the whole thing up. It is evident from his first move that he is either not good at facilitating this sort of thing or he is just trying to have her all to himself.

Moment she arrives, sits down in the bean bag chair with all of you, he is like "no" and takes her upstairs alone. If he was for real about this gangbang this was the moment to meet smooth with everybody and get the vibe up. instead he whisked her away immediately. This offers no ground work for you and J to jump in later when the action gets heavy.

Then he texts you to come up? Again sloppy move. No group cohesion here. just a random text. That forces you to enter the scene with no context to the subtleties of where the vibe is at. She is fully clothed and he is totally naked with a condom on? what the heck is going on there?

Then whenever she protests or is apprehensive he just kind of pushes. And no wonder she is not just ramped up to take three dicks. The whole flow of things is choppy. Start stop start stop.

I don't know that I agree that gold was straight up amoging but he is definitely sloppy as fuck.

If it was me, I would have personally lost interest in the scene altogether. Rather than trying to jump into the mess again and again.
 
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Teevster

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Your report is a new lay and a dude that was not your friend....

Gold fucked her before and wanted to share with friends i do this a lot ... you are projecting.... gold is just sloppy natural that wanted to see how far and powerful he is over the girl, big ego...

I must have missed the part where the report mentions that Gold already fucked her.

Well, anyway natural or not, if some dude tries to tool me like Gold did to OP, I will take out my heavy frame-control guns and make his time with the girl very difficult. Being a natural is not an excuse to be a dick. A guy doing this to me is not a friend.

@Pelusita and I read the report together (since both he and I are/have been deep into the swinging world) and we both agreed that Gold was the main issue here. He totally went full-blown amog on poor op.

Also he was a bit drunk, he was also skipping steps this is not how is done... the way i do it is to take time to sell my friends and make the girl feel cool and important and she will do something cool and exiting... finally i orchestrate for it to happen smoothly, all of the set up sloopy... he was acting and projecting like a girl is a dude, overeached...

Agreed with all this.

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Moment she arrives, sits down in the bean bag chair with all of you, he is like "no" and takes her upstairs alone. If he was for real about this gangbang this was the moment to meet smooth with everybody and get the vibe up. instead he whisked her away immediately. This offers no ground work for you and J to jump in later when the action gets heavy.

Exactly. Based on what I have read, and the way I have interpreted this report, then at no point did it seem like Gold had any true intentions of sharing the girl.

And what you mention here is one of the many cues that made me react. But it is not the major one. The outright tooling where he was trying to "help" beam out as he was some poor useless soul made him look weak and bad. Any man with some brain knows that you shouldn't do that to your bros.
Then he texts you to come up? Again sloppy move. No group cohesion here. just a random text. That forces you to enter the scene with no context to the subtleties of where the vibe is at. She is fully clothed and he is totally naked with a condom on? what the heck is going on there?
Yeah, but this is just mis-calibration I think.

Then whenever she protests or is apprehensive he just kind of pushes. And no wonder she is not just ramped up to take three dicks. The whole flow of things is choppy. Start stop start stop.

Reminds me of Tyler's old amogs "come on girl, he is great... you two should totally hook up" just to trigger a "no" from her....

If it was me, I would have personally lost interest in the scene altogether.

Either that, or invite a fuckbuddy over. This would have solved the whole situation :)

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Exactly. Based on what I have read, and the way I have interpreted this report, then at no point did it seem like Gold had any true intentions of sharing the girl.
There is the fact that Beam was only invited after he overheard J and Gold. That right there is the first sign that Beam is maybe going to be treated as the odd man out.
And what you mention here is one of the many cues that made me react. But it is not the major one. The outright tooling where he was trying to "help" beam out as he was some poor useless soul made him look weak and bad. Any man with some brain knows that you shouldn't do that to your bros.
I still can't tell if this is intentionally malicious or if Gold just genuinely sees Beam as needing help and is also bad at leading things. Which, that sort of dynamic alone is complicated and definitely not the best scene. I can understand why you would read Gold's actions as patronizing.
Yeah, but this is just mis-calibration I think.
This whole scene is miscalibration pie a la mode. Serving up slice after slice. With loads of Alcohol to wash it down.
Reminds me of Tyler's old amogs "come on girl, he is great... you two should totally hook up" just to trigger a "no" from her....
Again, not sure of gold is intentionally doing this or if he just lacks a genuine desire to get Beam in on things (since he never intended on including him at first) and is just doing a lackluster sloppy job at it. The end result is basically the same though so I guess doesn't really matter either way.
Either that, or invite a fuckbuddy over. This would have solved the whole situation :)
Yeah, I think Chases answer to this all stands because ultimately in the situations you got to be your own man. The leadership is sloppy you decide if you want to be involved. Get into the scene in your own way, or take the initiative to redirect the scene when it is clearly not going well. Or just bounce cause you don't need to be a part of such sloppy endeavors in the first place. 'Homeboy' is amoging you, you judo that shit. You are not here to stroke egos. Good group sex requires an open and inclusive environment. It needs to be collaborative. It is crucial that the leadership knows what the fuck they are doing.

Don't be tossed around someone else's scene only to be cast out. @Beam I can understand your eagerness to participate in the 'fun,' but the signs were there from the get-go. Sounds like this kind of scenario is new for you, so totally a learning experience. Next time you can notice the signs early and play things your way, or just bounce to your favorite venue and pull a hottie.
 
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Interesting perspectives. Velasco thought he was tooling me too. The possibility of tooling is definitely something I am keeping aware of. He definitely has an ego (which I've been made aware of recently) and is at almost 200 lays so knows what he is doing. From what J said this isn't his first spitroast either. But based on what I've seen I'm inclined to believe Skills in that it was a power play due to ego and without much forethought.
 

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Interesting perspectives. Velasco thought he was tooling me too. The possibility of tooling is definitely something I am keeping aware of. He definitely has an ego (which I've been made aware of recently) and is at almost 200 lays so knows what he is doing. From what J said this isn't his first spitroast either. But based on what I've seen I'm inclined to believe Skills in that it was a power play due to ego and without much forethought.
Guys like vel and a lot of puas are extremely cunning, strategic, calculating....naturals yeah a few are like that, but most live in the moment, not as strategic and calculating as puas... part of the reason the community is shit is cause of this, litlle disagreements, arguments turn into shit storms.. people doubting intentions, is projections.... the tooling to me again makes no sense, he already fucked her, he orchestrated the whole thing, just sloopy... dude i was like gold in the past, just smoother..
 

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Guys like vel and a lot of puas are extremely cunning, strategic, calculating....naturals yeah a few are like that, but most live in the moment, not as strategic and calculating as puas... part of the reason the community is shit is cause of this, litlle disagreements, arguments turn into shit storms.. people doubting intentions, is projections.... the tooling to me again makes no sense, he already fucked her, he orchestrated the whole thing, just sloopy... dude i was like gold in the past, just smoother..

Well, he may not look at "tooling" or amogging like puas do - as in having a strategic, technical and structured way of doing it, yet I do believe his intent was on tooling...

Most men do not have the knowledge and capacity to execute a technical way of tooling - they are not puas. This does not mean that men don't tool, or try to tool others. Men try to tool me all the time - doesn't make them puas.

And Beam stated it himself...

Interesting perspectives. Velasco thought he was tooling me too. The possibility of tooling is definitely something I am keeping aware of. He definitely has an ego (which I've been made aware of recently) and is at almost 200 lays so knows what he is doing. From what J said this isn't his first spitroast either. But based on what I've seen I'm inclined to believe Skills in that it was a power play due to ego and without much forethought.

He definitely has an ego...
Has 200 lays (so not useless with women and social dynamics),
Knows what he is doing...

He wanted to assert his dominance, his coolness, and power. Not saying his motives are ill-intended, but I meet tons of guys who want to do that, whether consciously or unconsciously. Making a guy fuck "his" girl is usually motivated by two things:
- Cuckold-fetish
- Or asserting some dominance - in the sense that he not only makes his girl fuck his friends, but he gets to "show off" his girl to his buddies. All these reflects a desire to impose a certain authority and social dominans. Thus in my book the motives are CLEAR.

I doubt there is a cuckold fetish at play. However the second aspect is very likely. Thus it is clear he has a motive.

The fact that one is a natural doesn't excuse their behaviour.

@Skills seems to give naturals a free pass because... they "simply are like that" ... it is their nature after all. I simply do not agree with this.

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Well, he may not look at "tooling" or amogging like puas do - as in having a strategic, technical and structured way of doing it, yet I do believe his intent was on tooling...

Most men do not have the knowledge and capacity to execute a technical way of tooling - they are not puas. This does not mean that men don't tool, or try to tool others. Men try to tool me all the time - doesn't make them puas.

And Beam stated it himself...



He definitely has an ego...
Has 200 lays (so not useless with women and social dynamics),
Knows what he is doing...

He wanted to assert his dominance, his coolness, and power. Not saying his motives are ill-intended, but I meet tons of guys who want to do that, whether consciously or unconsciously. Making a guy fuck "his" girl is usually motivated by two things:
- Cuckold-fetish
- Or asserting some dominance - in the sense that he not only makes his girl fuck his friends, but he gets to "show off" his girl to his buddies. All these reflects a desire to impose a certain authority and social dominans. Thus in my book the motives are CLEAR.

I doubt there is a cuckold fetish at play. However the second aspect is very likely. Thus it is clear he has a motive.

The fact that one is a natural doesn't excuse their behaviour.

@Skills seems to give naturals a free pass because... they "simply are like that" ... it is their nature after all. I simply do not agree with this.

-Teevster
how you are not agreeing with me, you just repeated what i said...:

Gold fucked her before and wanted to share with friends i do this a lot ... you are projecting.... gold is just sloppy natural that wanted to see how far and powerful he is over the girl, big ego...

This is were i disagree:

Didn't you notice how Gold totally amogged the living crap out of you?

I would have done the same if I wanted the girl for myself. And I kind of did in the report I posted not long ago. I think you should give it a read.

^ again teevester originally you were equating beam and gold experience, to you and the lay report were you had a stranger lick feet that you amog (for example i personally would have shared by the way, even with a stranger, but that is how i role)... This is not what happened here, so from your first entry were we don't see eye to eye (probably not your fault you don't read journals, in beam journal he explained about gold fucking the girl last week) to your last entry (were you agree with my original point, guy with no ill intend overreaching to see how far he can take it how powerful he is, which is same shit i do, most of my videos instead of getting a tripod i have the girls film me and listen to my none sense a way for me to show power and dominance) same play...That is how i know, gold is a sloopy version of skills back in the days...
 

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how you are not agreeing with me, you just repeated what i said...:

I think you are misunderstand my message. I never meant to say the guy knew about amogging as a term, or as a technique (if you interpreted it this way, I apologize, I should have been clearer). I said he did so "naturally" yet with the intent of tooling Beam. Thus I think Gold was well-intended in this interaction. He wanted to win social points, validate his ego at the cost of his "friend" Beam.

again teevester originally you were equating beam and gold experience, to you and the lay report were you had a stranger lick feet that you amog

I did and I still am.

Gold: "Come on bro go ahead; she is ready" (type of frame)
Me: "Come on bro, go ahead; she is ready" (type of frame).

And...
Gold takes girl aside to conspire or do thing.
I did the same thing.

Those are the similarities. Same techniques (I prob was way more conscious than Gold was when I used it) and same result. I controlled the frame fully, Gold controlled the frame fully. Gold did things to control the frame fully, so did I. The way Gold managed to control the frame fully was to tool Beam (and so some extent the other friend). I did the same thing.

Those are the similarities.

(for example i personally would have shared by the way, even with a stranger, but that is how i role)

I wouldn't have minded if the guy was at least a bit respectful:
- Being randomly invited by my friend to my place without introducing himself.
- Drinking my booze without saying thanks (or thanks for inviting him)
- Out of the blue, tries to snag the host's girl (I wouldn't do that, nor would you)
- and other small things I don't need to mention.

But yeah that's irrelevant anyway.

his is not what happened here, so from your first entry were we don't see eye to eye (probably not your fault you don't read journals, in beam journal he explained about gold fucking the girl last week)

Correct I don't read journals.

to your last entry (were you agree with my original point, guy with no ill intend overreaching to see how far he can take it how powerful he is,

Well, he surely has intent and motives. This is undeniable.
And I may also consider those "ill" because the way he accomplished that was to screw over his friend - although he may not have been conscious that his actions would SCREW over Beam.

Ill or not... he did end up tooling Beam, and Beam felt right for it.

We may disagree on morals. This is a personal opinion. A friend who tries to throw me under the buss for his own benefit will receive a pep talk from me.

-Teevster
 
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