FU Invited to a MMMF Gangbang but end up getting asked to leave

[Teevster]

@Beam this report really shows the importance of understanding frames and frame control. If you want to get better, I suggest you read up on that!

Because no offense, but reading this report, it felt like reading something from someone totally unfamiliar with the concept of frame and frame control. sorry for the though love.

Best,
Teevster

 

[StrayDog]

@Beam this report really shows the importance of understanding frames and frame control. If you want to get better, I suggest you read up on that!

Because no offense, but reading this report, it felt like reading something from someone totally unfamiliar with the concept of frame and frame control. sorry for the though love.

Best,
Teevster

*Gets text that says come upstairs now. Walks into room to find S totally clothed and Gold completely naked with condom on his erection*

Beam (before any one gets a word in): Jesus Gold, already? I am not that kind if girl, you have to warm me up first

 

[StrayDog]

@Beam what was the initial convo with J and Gold like?

This was the best moment to first get your finger on the pulse of the scene. This is when you negotiate and navigate what you feel you'd like you're roll to be in things. Start by asking questions and gathering info

"she says she wants three dudes?"
"has she done this before?"
"y'all done this before?"
"how did that go down?"
"how are we gonna do this?"
"you think she'll be cool with that?"
"Hmm, I am not sure how I feel about that
"what if we did this strategy?"

Now you have more info to go on, and a general sense of the vibe. Your are basically sizing things up and deciding if it is the type of scene you want to be apart of/meets your standards

If for some reason Gold can't hang with all the questions, is dismissive, or not open to a bit of collaboration. Not a good sign.

 

[Skills]

I think you are misunderstand my message. I never meant to say the guy knew about amogging as a term, or as a technique (if you interpreted it this way, I apologize, I should have been clearer). I said he did so "naturally" yet with the intent of tooling Beam. Thus I think Gold was well-intended in this interaction. He wanted to win social points, validate his ego at the cost of his "friend" Beam.



I did and I still am.

Gold: "Come on bro go ahead; she is ready" (type of frame)
Me: "Come on bro, go ahead; she is ready" (type of frame).

And...
Gold takes girl aside to conspire or do thing.
I did the same thing.

Those are the similarities. Same techniques (I prob was way more conscious than Gold was when I used it) and same result. I controlled the frame fully, Gold controlled the frame fully. Gold did things to control the frame fully, so did I. The way Gold managed to control the frame fully was to tool Beam (and so some extent the other friend). I did the same thing.

Those are the similarities.



I wouldn't have minded if the guy was at least a bit respectful:
- Being randomly invited by my friend to my place without introducing himself.
- Drinking my booze without saying thanks (or thanks for inviting him)
- Out of the blue, tries to snag the host's girl (I wouldn't do that, nor would you)
- and other small things I don't need to mention.

But yeah that's irrelevant anyway.



Correct I don't read journals.



Well, he surely has intent and motives. This is undeniable.
And I may also consider those "ill" because the way he accomplished that was to screw over his friend - although he may not have been conscious that his actions would SCREW over Beam.

Ill or not... he did end up tooling Beam, and Beam felt right for it.

We may disagree on morals. This is a personal opinion. A friend who tries to throw me under the buss for his own benefit will receive a pep talk from me.

-Teevster

oh wooww, i did not know that, he was a creeper so yeah i see it would not have worked so i would have done similar(foot lickman)....I think there is a theory that i like from vel rip, he is agreeing with you (now i can see the theory you and him maybe right if is true) @Beam needs to confirm, but sounds legit:

J fucked the girl because he recognized the girl was down for a 4 some. My point is Gold DID NOT actually want this to happen (he may have considered it a possibility, but when it was happening in real time, he changed his mind. Got possessive).

But J was too horny. Not following Gold's orders. She recognized that, and let him fuck her.

Gold didn't want this to happen but he had no choice then, but to let him fuck her.

He can't tell J "no" now because then this will look insecure to his girl.
J fucked the girl because he recognized the girl was down for a 4 some. My point is Gold DID NOT actually want this to happen (he may have considered it a possibility, but when it was happening in real time, he changed his mind. Got possessive).

 

[Teevster]

J fucked the girl because he recognized the girl was down for a 4 some. My point is Gold DID NOT actually want this to happen (he may have considered it a possibility, but when it was happening in real time, he changed his mind. Got possessive).

But J was too horny. Not following Gold's orders. She recognized that, and let him fuck her.

Gold didn't want this to happen but he had no choice then, but to let him fuck her.

He can't tell J "no" now because then this will look insecure to his girl.
J fucked the girl because he recognized the girl was down for a 4 some. My point is Gold DID NOT actually want this to happen (he may have considered it a possibility, but when it was happening in real time, he changed his mind. Got possessive).

With this in mind, it is totally clear that Gold has no good intentions towards Beam. He wanted to use the setting to express dominance and authority for his own gain - which is fine, but his ways of doing it are slightly malicious, especially towards @Beam.

It seems clear that Gold knew exactly what he was doing all along.

But funny how J tooled Gold back. Poetic!

And @Velasco is right in his assessment.

-Teevster

 

[Teevster]

*Gets text that says come upstairs now. Walks into room to find S totally clothed and Gold completely naked with condom on his erection*

Beam (before any one gets a word in): Jesus Gold, already? I am not that kind if girl, you have to warm me up first

How about not complying and not going up right away and wait a bit and come up 10 mins later and frame it as if you just walked by (or had a plausible deniability to go that room?

Your solution doesn't work really, because no wit can counteract the fact that you are following the frame of a guy tooling you.

-Teevster

 

[StrayDog]

How about not complying and not going up right away and wait a bit and come up 10 mins later and frame it as if you just walked by (or had a plausible deniability to go that room?

Your solution doesn't work really, because no wit can counteract the fact that you are following the frame of a guy tooling you.

-Teevster

true

 

[Searcher]

How about not complying and not going up right away and wait a bit and come up 10 mins later and frame it as if you just walked by (or had a plausible deniability to go that room?

Your solution doesn't work really, because no wit can counteract the fact that you are following the frame of a guy tooling you.

-Teevster

How would have beam/anyone handled when a guy tries to force you and the girl together.

like saying
“he is such a good guy give him a chance”
“Why would you say no to him?”

I was thinking
“Sorry about him, he tries to force things”

 

[Teevster]

How would have beam/anyone handled when a guy tries to force you and the girl together.

like saying
“he is such a good guy give him a chance”
“Why would you say no to him?”

I was thinking
“Sorry about him, he tries to force things”

Not say a word, go to the kitchen, grab a beer.

Sometimes breaking rapport is the best way to win back frames. Especially when you have reached this point.
Hint: you shouldn't reach this point in the first place. At an earlier point, witty reframes would have done the trick.

At this point, he was so ingrained within golds frame, that whatever frames or reframes Beam would have pulled off, they would have been delivered WITHIN his frame. At this point, it is best to set a "frame" reset by breaking rapport.

Best,
Teevster

 

[Teevster]

How would have beam/anyone handled when a guy tries to force you and the girl together.

like saying
“he is such a good guy give him a chance”
“Why would you say no to him?”

I was thinking
“Sorry about him, he tries to force things”

However if you really insist on some witty comeback:

Teevster: Hey gold, since you are being so nice to me, I was considering calling Jessica over... and perhaps she could join us! we can fuck next to each other, and since you are so kind to me, I will of course invite you to have fun with Jessica.

Doesn't matter whether you do it or not. It is about generating a frame. A frame that you have other girls, and that you two can take the dominant role of inviting men over. The latter is key.

Best,
Teevster

 

[Swati]

Gold physically "pulled" manhandled you, when you had that small window. It's done out of dominance to compete, whether he knew it or not, doesn't matter.... he will serve as a problem for you in the upcoming. while out infield I NEVER allow someone's hand on me other than my wings, which they rarely do other than giving me a hug and etc.

Also, Gold hijacked your logical brain when his persisting non-stop about, S wanting you in, when you clearly saw it wasn't the case.. this behavior is very feminine/manipulative, usually is girls using towards guys roping them in for investments, be careful.

you need to find a way to be rational, especially in those situations... since you are dealing with sexually opened female like this one, dominance/frame is key

at the end I noticed, social frame wise, you didn't have similarity.... that's another area you need to consider in your position and play your cards accordingly...

Other than that Teev and other have mentioned a lot already.

 

[MarkA]

There's a lot of very interesting perspectives here from Teevster, Skills and Chase.

I'm still on the wall as to whether Gold was deliberately tooling Beam or not but it's clear taking a passive role and relying on others is not the way to make the odds good for getting the lay.

 

[Skills]

There's a lot of very interesting perspectives here from Teevster, Skills and Chase.

I'm still on the wall as to whether Gold was deliberately tooling Beam or not but it's clear taking a passive role and relying on others is not the way to make the odds good for getting the lay.

Talked to beam privately he was not...