Is there a cutoff age for being a "natural"

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

After reading endless articles on this site, I would much rather be the natural rather than the PUA. I feel like genetics has somewhat blessed me with above average looks but circumstances have gone against me. Growing up in the rural midwest, I was raised by a strict Christian family that didn't really allow me much interactions with girls even though I had some girls who were interested in me.

When I made Bodybuilding a hobby and put on muscle, I noticed my face changed and became angular as well, I had the features such as high cheekbones and chiseled jaw that are considered attractive on men. At around 18 I was having a lot of people say good things about my looks.

I feel that I was born to go at this from a natural perspective. Never paid much attention to learning deep PUA theory or anything but I have not lived like a natural due to the circumstances in my life.

Is there a "cutoff" age for being considered a natural or is it just a kind of approach that you can choose? For example, could a 22 year old virgin who hasn't had much experience with women and comes from a strict upbringing ever be a natural?

 

[Smurf]

Sorry I don't have an answer for you, but I an interested in this as well. This is a very good topic in my opinion.

Jake.

 

[Nuncle]

TBH I would classify a natural as someone who was born with certain personality traits that are conducive to pick up (I know others would disagree with me) or maybe because they had an advantageous upbringing (parents who were firm but fair).

These traits are:

Instinctively they don't supplicate, even to very beautiful women.
They stay calm when a beautiful woman shows interest in them.
Comfortable in their own skin.

Yes, some people learn these traits (say in their late teens) but I also remember from school there were kids that got loads of female attention, and even sex, in their early teens. The characteristic they shared was that they did not give a shit about offending the alpha girls and were not in any way awed by them.

That said I do have a friend that I would classify as a natural. Women go mad for him without him even doing anything, and he's not hugely good looking or a snappy dresser. He definitely learned his skills - he was a geek at school and lost his virginity at age 20. He learned without access to PuA material.

 

[Franco]

Proactivity,

Is there a "cutoff" age for being considered a natural or is it just a kind of approach that you can choose? For example, could a 22 year old virgin who hasn't had much experience with women and comes from a strict upbringing ever be a natural?

This website indeed teaches you how to become a "natural" with women; however, what makes it even better than everything else out there is that it incorporates the techniques from PUA that actually work, so that way you can have a process that you can follow when you approach women (and when you have a process you know that works, it boosts your confidence even higher).

Nuncle was pretty accurate in stating that most "naturals" who do not study PUA just have personality traits that allow them to be sexy and aggressive, but you'll actually find that these guys still pale in comparison to someone who has not only learned to become a natural (through a change in fundamentals) but has also studied a strict process that is extremely efficient and effective for getting women to become lovers and girlfriends.

It's kind of like the idea of "brains" versus "brawn." The "naturals" have the brawn to aggressively go after women with solid fundamentals, but half of them just get drunk and don't really know what they are doing, but they do know that they have to try to get a girl alone so they can sleep with her. This is instinctively why naturals have more success at the get-go -- they are already pushing for sex (which is what most nice guys don't do). However, guys who have the "brains" to learn, empathize with, and comprehend women to a high level of understanding can learn to improve their fundamentals to match those of the "naturals." And once you build yourself into a guy who's both the brains AND the brawn (a natural + PUA), then you've got quite the elite alpha male with women on your hands. No girl will be able to resist!

So, to answer your question, it is never too late to improve your fundamentals and inherit the traits of a "natural." But as Nuncle mentioned, if your personality isn't a "natural" by default, you're going to have to work hard to change your perspective on things so that you can improve yourself to the point you want to be at. This website will certainly help you get there!

Hope that helps.

- Franco

 

[Indian Race Troll (IRT)]

There is a lot of high quality stuff on this site, thanks guys. I do feel that I am naturally social and naturally a natural (lol) but due to circumstances growing up, I feel like I was somewhat limited.

The other thing that gets me and something I want to make another thread about is looks. I feel somewhat insecure about my looks even though I am not ugly. I read the article about looks but the thing is, along with being good with women, I want the handsome playboy status. I want my looks to be something that people refer to when they talk about me.

Like when someone says

"did you know proactivity hooked up with that hot girl?"

I want people to say

"well he is a handsome dude, duh!"

It is something that has me insecure a bit but I want the looks to be a part of me. Anyone catching my drift on that?

I guess this isn't really a forum to talk about looks on but it is something I feel like I want to fix (mentally) in the future.

 

[Nuncle]

I am always surprised by who women say they find good-looking anyway. Like if you take an office poll on this the winner will rarely be someone who has stereotypically playboy looks.

Then again maybe women deceive themselves in this as they do on the subject of what personality they like.