Is this shit for real?

[sneaky_charm]

I never seriously watched RSDs videos before, only occasionally, but for the last two days, I have been. And some are really good. But then I found out about Julien's ban! I mean such an outrage over a video taken out of context? And the guy is a dick, he himself says it all the time, but not even close to a monster I think.

Is this how general people respond to pickup? Have any of you met Julien personally? He seems like a sociopath or a narcissist, but he does know his shit. But still, worldwide outage, even bans from countries! Really? Man I really should keep my mouth shut about learning pick up from now on!

Can't believe how easily media can manipulate people!

I mean, for God's sake, if tomorrow some fucked up piece of shit starts eyeing Chase or Franco, eyeing US, what the fuck are we gonna do?

 

[trashKENNUT]

I am sure Chase have think about it. If people really know how accurate his stuff is, they will relate. However, importantly, there is something about "truth" that people often never sees.

When you honestly express yourself, people are going to notice. Example, Bruce Lee.

But as quotes from Chase. People are not Agent Smith. And yea.. don't fall into the belief that mainstream society is ought against us (the labeled pua community) when they are in fact in fear, and shooting themselves in the foot with their own problems, like religion, politics, etc

By the way, while mainstream media makes Julien look bad, the internet commenters shows other responses. So what is "real"? To sum it up, isn't the mainstream media the internet now... ?

Even in daily mail article, they start posting article that women are more selfish. Even women are being thrown to the dogs now.

It is so fuck up.

Zac

 

[sneaky_charm]

Hi Zac! Hope you're doing well!

What I'm trying to say is that it seems media can do whatever the fuck it wants and people will listen. I knew it all along, but didn't know even pick up wasn't excluded.

I've seen many RSD videos, and maybe Julien is fucked up as a person, but the videos do not teach violence. Still people seem to think that he is absolute monster without even watching any of the material he teaches. Even Sasha has a video dissing him! Maybe the guy is useless, maybe he is not, but the point is - if even countries start to ban someone without even considering his actual materials, then it seems fucked up.

We all know that GC is growing tremendously. So who knows when it gets media attention. We spent years here, we know the community well. We know that we care about women a 1000 times more than those nice motherfuckers who pretend to be nice because they know no other way. But if some nutjob starts shitting the newspapers about GC one day, then common folks who have no idea about what GC is really will start to diss it too!

No matter how fucking honest we are, no matter how fucking wise we aspire to be, media can still be a bitch someday. You never know.

Anyway, do you think I should learn only from GC (as I've been doing till now), or should I see other videos, too?

P.S. I don't think that all RSD videos are great. GC is much more wiser and real than RSD can ever hope to be. So the chance of media bashing seems pretty low though. Because even if journalists try to find objectionable materials, they won't get much!

 

[Mr.Rob]

Julien purposely marketed his videos in such a fashion to get the media's disapproval as a weird joke. However it backfired and he received much harsher and out of control criticism than he first realized.

The main video that gained this criticism was a clip of him pushing Japanese girls heads down to his cock (fully clothed) and him proudly talking about his accomplishment in a free tour seminar. People that were offended took this as extreme racism (the girls were Japanese) and sexism (girls being used as sexual objects) in which the media used to blow completely out of proportion to gain viewership.

Chase's material in comparison is not controversial at all and will never receive exposure of that nature unless he changes the content drastically which I don't see happening.

As far as RSD goes I think Tyler has some very helpful and life changing video's and I'm a big fan of him and his infield (or what little of it he shows) as I have emulated his style of game quite a bit and have had GREAT results from doing so because we have somewhat similar personalities and sense of humor.

The rest of the RSD gang also has some good stuff but should be carefully monitored what you put into your brain as they tend to have some negative world views and seemingly nice but potentially harmful mindsets (Julien in particular).

Don't become an RSD gung ho follower and think that everything Tyler and Julien say is the truth out of God's mouth and you should be fine.

Tyler's videos have helped me with pickup and social dynamics that I would have paid big bucks to receive that he put out in his free content.

Great nuggets of advice and inspiration in my opinion but watch at your own risk and with caution.

-Rob

 

[sneaky_charm]

Hey Rob, thanks for the reply! Hope you're doing great!

Well, yeah, I do find some of Julien's videos a bit too much. Also, my personality and values would never allow many of the stuff RSD teaches. But some of the videos are truly filled with wisdom. I basically follow James Marshall and Liam McRae a bit. Other than that, I find that 21 Convention's videos tend to be good overall. But I spend about 95% of my time in GC. So I guess my mind will not be poisoned!

 

[sneaky_charm]

They honestly can't touch GC at RSD with the amount of insight and practicality. Chases methods work anywhere on a deep level. RSD is more just about having fun and learning how to pickup bar sluts.

I feel the exact same way. I don't see RSD material working inside a grocery store, or a book club, or open in the street during the day. Also, some of their teachings can highly make a girl self-conscious, strip self-esteem, and fuck with their psyche if applied for a long time, which any decent man would not want to do.

 

[Chase]

Sneaky-

Western news thrives on sensationalism. It's not about "being informed", it's about stirring the pot. Actually, the way news works is that a news company has a variety of templates that simply get filled out with the details of the latest "current event" that fits the template:

• Latest natural disaster (earthquake, hurricane, tsunami, flood, fire, sinkhole)
• Latest heinous crime (murder, kidnap, rape, home invasion, pedophilia)
• Latest celebrity gaff (drunk celebrity says something stupid)
• Latest hot-button sociopolitical issue (abortion, gay marriage, education)
• Latest war update/bombing (Afghanistan, Ukraine, Kony)
• Latest end-of-the-world scenario (killer bees, HIV, Y2K, bird flu, SARS, swine flu, Mayan calendar, ebola)
• Latest fringe group says/does something wacky (fundamentalist preachers, white nationalists, pick up artists)

There are a few more, but that's the gist of it.

You need video to be a news story or it typically isn't worth reporting and won't pick up steam, thus Julien's success at causing scandal. I think it's worth noting that Julien's been actively courting scandal since before the articles on Jeffy a few years back (Tenmanet has a summary of this here). The funny thing is Jeffy's stuff is a lot more outrageous than Julien's, but there's no video of it so it didn't make it beyond a few feminist weblogs like Jezebel.

What I hear from RSD folks is that Julien was jealous of the attention Jeffy got, felt it should've gone to him since he was more outrageous, and basically stepped up his outrageousness since then trying to catch the media's eye. He eventually succeeded, and it went even crazier than he'd expected. But he courted that whole scenario quite actively. If there weren't videos of him shoving Japanese girls' faces onto his crotch plastered on YouTube, no one would've cared.

The media's courted us before in the past - the Dr. Phil show wanted us to come on and talk about dating multiple women, which I discussed with Ricardus (it was his article that caught their eye) and we decided against since Dr. Phil had guys from another pickup company on years back (I think it was MM or Love Systems) and not only set it up as an ambush to morally shame the heck out of them, but heavily edited the show and essentially removed all the strong points the pickup guys made to make it seem like they were "beaten" by the superior logic of Dr. Phil and the moral crusaders.

Huffington Post also hounded me for an interview multiple times, always with some rushed/authoritative "We need you for an interview WITHIN 24 HOURS, RESPOND NOW!" type tone, which I usually would not see until days later because I try not to be on email too much. I told them to buzz off after they tried doing this with an article that was ripped from one of mine, uncredited - they wanted me to appear on a roundtable sharing what I thought about the concept behind "their" article... lol.

I think the things to consider behind media is who's the primary audience and is this helping you? In the case of Dr. Phil, it's a bunch of middle-aged women, which doesn't much help Girls Chase if we go on there. Same with HuffPo - similar demographics. No such thing as bad publicity, the saying goes, but bad publicity to an unrelated demographic probably doesn't help a whole lot, either. These shows aren't going to give you a fair shake because they're looking for you to be a bogeyman. I might still be able to go on there and be charming and frame control it, but I don't want to get ahead of myself - I still need more practice doing friendly interviews before I'd trust myself to go in front of a hostile crowd and win them over, Rocky IV style. And they've still got editors on their side, and a sensationalist "Evil Pick Up Artist Tries To Defend His Machiavellian Ways!" angle sells a lot more than "Pick Up Artist Comes On Show, But Surprisingly Makes Sense And Is Totally Relatable!"

Anyway, long and short of it is it's pretty hard to create a media sensation without video of some sort to go along with it. I'd have to do an interview and really muck it up, or someone else from GC would, or we'd have to start putting out video that can be construed as bad or manipulative. Never say never, but I don't expect any of that to happen any time soon (we've discussed having some GC video go up, but I'm not sure we'd do anything with approaches in it at this time; there are too many uncertainties with that kind of thing... like, guys are either unimpressed with the approach, or they think you're using models and it's all staged; if they can see the girl's face, white knights will try to figure out her identity from Facebook / Model Mayhem / etc., then contact her and harass her or ask her if she knows she was being filmed by a pick up artist... all kinds of crap like that. And learning video is learning a completely new medium / channel, which I don't have a lot of time for right now).

Chase

 

[trashKENNUT]

sneaky_charm,

media can do whatever the fuck it wants and people will listen. I knew it all along, but didn't know even pick up wasn't excluded.

Not really. There seems to be growing number of people that are somewhat waking up to this. Examples are

1)People leaving 9 to 5 jobs, even if the economy is bad.
2)Internet commenters are on gridlock.
3)Internet commenters on either extreme ends (examples like feminism or Men's movement, Android and IOS)
4)People actually do not know what they believe. (Some american troops regret involving in Iraq's war, as you read in the news and books, 3 years after the war)

I occasionally go to religious places, just to maintain self esteem of a few people around me, and even in this places, they start talking about having diverse teachers to learn, to actually know the truth. Usually, you don't hear this kind of stuff in the weekly sermons, because this are things that people don't listen, because we are all lazy. Maybe they do this sermons because the terrorist gave a wrong interpretation and they have to win back the audience.

But yea, this are still workings. Environments change all the time.

if even countries start to ban someone without even considering his actual materials, then it seems fucked up.

Not really. Countries don't ban him. IT's a group of people that ban him. In Asia, countries takes precautionary measures, but they only bothered about the idea if it creates social instability. Malaysia, Singapore, China, Indonesia are few examples.

No matter how fucking honest we are, no matter how fucking wise we aspire to be, media can still be a bitch someday. You never know.

People will always be a bitch no matter what you do, some people are too extreme. I am even a bitch to Chase, if quoting him here can occasionally send a wrong interpretation of the message instead!

Anyway, do you think I should learn only from GC (as I've been doing till now), or should I see other videos, too?

Chase never wanted people to treat him like a demigod. Everyone loves being treated warmly but he is very grounded. If you ask him, he will probably link you to that article on "Real Empiricist test".

Personally, I do check other people's stuff, videos, read mainstream articles and their stuff.

P.S. I don't think that all RSD videos are great. GC is much more wiser and real than RSD can ever hope to be. So the chance of media bashing seems pretty low though. Because even if journalists try to find objectionable materials, they won't get much!

There's a saying, "If there's a will, there is a way".

But most people are followers. All too often, a perception creates an illusion that doesn't exist. An example will be Hitler, or the recent war on Iraq. Everyone is shouting, "AMERICA, AMERICA!" but after a few years later, nobody knows the fuck they doing there.

Knowing where the cause is and shutting it down ruthlessly, is the idea. (as cliche as it may sound).

p.s But yea, Chase answered your question. I thought i just weight in. I am very bad at conveying my message. Let me know where if you notice it.


Zac

 

[sneaky_charm]

Western news thrives on sensationalism. It's not about "being informed", it's about stirring the pot.

Here in India, about the same thing. Way worse actually. I hear some cops in my city arrest young guys and girls roaming after 7pm or 8pm. After arresting, they threaten the guy that if he doesn't pay the amount of money demanded, a fake news story will appear in a local news channel (police have tie up with the news channel I hear) saying that the guy and the girl were found in objectionable condition. Since society is very conservative here, most guys become afraid and pay the sum so that the reputation of the girl doesn't get damaged! How fucked up is that!

I think it's worth noting that Julien's been actively courting scandal since before the articles on Jeffy a few years back (Tenmanet has a summary of this here). The funny thing is Jeffy's stuff is a lot more outrageous than Julien's, but there's no video of it so it didn't make it beyond a few feminist weblogs like Jezebel.

I had no idea about this.

What I hear from RSD folks is that Julien was jealous of the attention Jeffy got, felt it should've gone to him since he was more outrageous, and basically stepped up his outrageousness since then trying to catch the media's eye. He eventually succeeded, and it went even crazier than he'd expected.

Lol, a real narcissist I guess. Not hard to guess, as he even brags about his narcissism at times.

The media's courted us before in the past - the Dr. Phil show wanted us to come on and talk about dating multiple women, which I discussed with Ricardus (it was his article that caught their eye) and we decided against since Dr. Phil had guys from another pickup company on years back (I think it was MM or Love Systems) and not only set it up as an ambush to morally shame the heck out of them, but heavily edited the show and essentially removed all the strong points the pickup guys made to make it seem like they were "beaten" by the superior logic of Dr. Phil and the moral crusaders.

Huffington Post also hounded me for an interview multiple times, always with some rushed/authoritative "We need you for an interview WITHIN 24 HOURS, RESPOND NOW!" type tone, which I usually would not see until days later because I try not to be on email too much. I told them to buzz off after they tried doing this with an article that was ripped from one of mine, uncredited - they wanted me to appear on a roundtable sharing what I thought about the concept behind "their" article... lol.

I think the things to consider behind media is who's the primary audience and is this helping you? In the case of Dr. Phil, it's a bunch of middle-aged women, which doesn't much help Girls Chase if we go on there. Same with HuffPo - similar demographics. No such thing as bad publicity, the saying goes, but bad publicity to an unrelated demographic probably doesn't help a whole lot, either. These shows aren't going to give you a fair shake because they're looking for you to be a bogeyman. I might still be able to go on there and be charming and frame control it, but I don't want to get ahead of myself - I still need more practice doing friendly interviews before I'd trust myself to go in front of a hostile crowd and win them over, Rocky IV style. And they've still got editors on their side, and a sensationalist "Evil Pick Up Artist Tries To Defend His Machiavellian Ways!" angle sells a lot more than "Pick Up Artist Comes On Show, But Surprisingly Makes Sense And Is Totally Relatable!

Wow, that's fantastic! Kudos to you for holding your ground, and refusing such big names! And seriously, publishing your story in other words and demanding your opinion! Lol! Do these guys have any idea that you can sniff BS from miles away!

Anyway, long and short of it is it's pretty hard to create a media sensation without video of some sort to go along with it. I'd have to do an interview and really muck it up, or someone else from GC would, or we'd have to start putting out video that can be construed as bad or manipulative. Never say never, but I don't expect any of that to happen any time soon (we've discussed having some GC video go up, but I'm not sure we'd do anything with approaches in it at this time; there are too many uncertainties with that kind of thing... like, guys are either unimpressed with the approach, or they think you're using models and it's all staged; if they can see the girl's face, white knights will try to figure out her identity from Facebook / Model Mayhem / etc., then contact her and harass her or ask her if she knows she was being filmed by a pick up artist... all kinds of crap like that. And learning video is learning a completely new medium / channel, which I don't have a lot of time for right now).

That is what I love about the site. Every angle is considered before putting something, not just personal views and bias!

Thanks for the reply!

- Sneaky

 

[sneaky_charm]

Not really. There seems to be growing number of people that are somewhat waking up to this. Examples are

1)People leaving 9 to 5 jobs, even if the economy is bad.
2)Internet commenters are on gridlock.
3)Internet commenters on either extreme ends (examples like feminism or Men's movement, Android and IOS)
4)People actually do not know what they believe. (Some american troops regret involving in Iraq's war, as you read in the news and books, 3 years after the war)

I occasionally go to religious places, just to maintain self esteem of a few people around me, and even in this places, they start talking about having diverse teachers to learn, to actually know the truth. Usually, you don't hear this kind of stuff in the weekly sermons, because this are things that people don't listen, because we are all lazy. Maybe they do this sermons because the terrorist gave a wrong interpretation and they have to win back the audience.

That's great to hear. I didn't know this at all. Good stuff!

Chase never wanted people to treat him like a demigod.

No I don't think he is a demigod, or is he

I just respect him, and all other members, a lot. Never met him, but imagine he is the type of guy who is authoritative, but very relaxed and down to earth about it. As in, he commands respect and never compromises his position, yet never demanding about it. And I believe it's that combination of effortless authority and relaxed relatability that makes people like and respect him.

I just think that following many different stuff may lead to incongruency. And that's about it. But I find many other materials really helpful, too. I'm open to other ideas normally.

There's a saying, "If there's a will, there is a way".

But most people are followers. All too often, a perception creates an illusion that doesn't exist. An example will be Hitler, or the recent war on Iraq. Everyone is shouting, "AMERICA, AMERICA!" but after a few years later, nobody knows the fuck they doing there.

Totally agree with you! Thanks for the reply!

- Sneaky

 

[PinotNoir]

Yeah the stuff is just crazy. Did you hear about this little gem recently?

The mainstream media's version:
http://wehuntedthemammoth.com/2015/04/2 ... r-oz-show/

Roosh V's version:
http://www.rooshv.com/how-i-was-backsta ... -producers

It's like night and day. To be honest, I don't know much about Roosh V, but I definitely see how mainstream has gone too far here.

Basically, mainstream media's idea of pickup: "Everyone that does it is manipulating and hurting women and just wanting to plow through as many pussies as possible."

Reality: "True, there are people in the extremes that are manipulative, hurtful, etc., but the average reader that comes is a guy that isn't great with women... has gotten tired of society saying 'the right one will come'... sees that social skills with women can be improved... and wants to stop being sad, lonely, a virgin, and a victim."

Chase, it's good you didn't agree to any of those shows. I'd love to see you write an article about this recent Roosh V scandal, but I can understand if you don't want to toss your hat into this shitstorm haha.

 

[PinotNoir]

I finally ran across the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJxYfcRUIQE

And I have to say that Roosh did an amazing job. He didn't even need to write his article. In my opinion, he did a very good job defending himself and comes across as better as Dr. Oz. I was very impressed. Watch this video if you want to know how to dig yourself out of a bad situation.

Anyway, as far as the actual topic, I don't know if "fat-shaming" will work. I definitely think there is a problem. Women are the sellers, and men are the buyers. And because of this, the majority of women can decide to become fat and force this upon people who have limited options. It is a good message to put out there: Fit men don't like fat women. Fit women also don't like fat men. Of course, there are plenty of exceptions, but that rule is true most of the time. Most men are not attracted to whales, elephants, and yes, fat women haha. It's just another truth to add to the list.

But of course, we've learned here not to be victims. If there's no skinny women in your area, move. Do something about it. Don't settle or lower your standards (for a girlfriend; if it's a one-night stand, then sure).

But, at the same time, fat-shaming is pretty harsh. And if it's coming from a man, women will take it even harsher. I think if a woman (or a group of women) started fat-shaming, then it would be taken in a better way. Similarly, if a friend says, "Whoa dude, you need to lift fats; you are fat," I can take it, but if a stranger says it (that I don't look up to in some way), then it's harder to swallow.

But, as I said, I have no clue if it will work or not. So, he is free to try it. I don't mind.

C'est la vie