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I have been flirty with a gal at work and have been wanting to ask her out. Today I saw her and decided to ask her to lunch. I screwed up because I asked her in front of other people. If we hadn't been flirty it probably would have been ok but she quickly rejected. I asked a second time to make sure. No go. Have I totally screwed myself with her?

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BDSC,

BigDaddySc said:
I screwed up because I asked her in front of other people. If we hadn't been flirty it probably would have been ok but she quickly rejected. I asked a second time to make sure. No go. Have I totally screwed myself with her?

Not always it is a screw up. Women like to make people around them work for them. They say the honey bees have sex 40 times a day. That's literally women if you put it that way. LOLX

Some women are not interested in you than they actually are. So don't be so hard on yourself. The best thing to do if someone brings it up is to laugh with them abit and show "human side".

She might notice that you are cool and laughing with everyone, and she might show herself again.

Zac
 

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ZacAdam

Thanks. I am trying to decide whether to isolate her and ask again saying we can keep it discreet or just lay low and see what happens. It is tough to isolate at my work because people are everywhere.

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Flirt. We work in different locations so our interaction is limited. When we do see each other there is a a lot of direct eye contact. The conversation is usually a hi how is it going kinda of thing . I make sure to call her by name and am give her the sexy looks. She reciprocates with a big smile, blushing and down turned eyes. All signs of interest. So to the invite.

She is at our receptionist desk with the receptionist. I walk up and say.

Me: My lunch buddies are gone. Do you want to go to lunch.
Both women: loudly giggle. (weird I would have expected her to giggle but not the receptionist who I have no connection with)
Her: No.
Me: Are you sure?
Her: No.

One of the guys that goes to lunch sometimes is sitting in his office across the aisle. I say to him. Dan you want to go to lunch? He says yes. He walks over. He looks at her and says We'll buy. She says she'll take a rain check. So I guess that is no number three. Dan and I go to lunch.

I know really lame on my part. Any suggestions?
 

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It might be because of your existing relationship you need to excersize even more discretion than the average guy. I'm sure if you asked in private the answer would've been different (provided she finds you attractive).
 

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Hellcat your right my lack of discretion was the problem. I now have to decide if it is worth proceeding. Being married adds a whole additional dimension to the process. It is tough.
 

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It's not lame on your part. You did something good. You gave her an opportunity to further things. You also gained a valuable reference point (exactly the same thing happened to me early in my journey, since then I've been maximally discreet haha). To me it doesn't sound like this is over, but you do have a BIG problem, which is you're over-invested in the outcome. For a new guy, I would highly recommend cold approach over social circle, and particularly workplace social circle. There's nothing wrong with burning it down everywhere you go, but do be aware that some awkwardness could result. I would liken your situation to long-game (slow-game), where you like the girl in the coffeeshop where you have coffee regularly. You chat to her every time... but soon you start wanting to go in at other times when it's not part of your routine... you find yourself bothering her when she's legitimately working... you find yourself struggling to make conversation because you want to impress her (trying too hard)... etc... none of these problems occur with cold approach because it all just happens in the moment. Once you get sufficient abundance you can be better with these kinds of issues, but honestly I still find it difficult. I haven't really had a lot of success with long-game or slow-game, even though it's still fun to try it out, haha. What I would also recommend is you treat social circle AS MUCH like cold approach as you can. That means, meet -> flirt -> get number. If you don't do it on the first meeting, your chances really do go down significantly.
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Ray,

Thanks for the comments. I realized that over-invested with the gal. Personally I have zero emotional involvement with her. I could careless if we hook up or not. It is more about the game with her. So I don't mind the long term chase. I see this as a learning experience. I am not sure how to get her to invest. I know I need to balance the investments. Here are the things that I came up with.

- Ignore her but I am not sure this will have a positive result.
- I could discretely ask her to lunch again but then I am added to my investment.
- Continue to flirt and see how she reacts.
- Say screw it and next. These is my least favorite as I learn nothing more.

Any thoughts on this?

Regarding cold approach I find this much easier. The odds of this making it back to my wife are much lower. I do have a mental block with approaching younger women. As I am in my 50s I feel kinda like a creeper if I approach someone under 25. By that age I feel like she can handle an approach from someone older. I am super comfortable with anyone over 30. I also have an issue with logistic as I don't want to shit in my own backyard. I live in a small town (15000 people) where my wife knows about 50% of the people literally. So my best place to cold approach is where I work. It is 50 miles from my house so pulling back to the house is out. I only see two alternatives for location at work that is her place or a hotel. The hotels by where I work are like $100/night. Damn expensive for a nooner. I guess I will have to shoot for the ladies that have their own place. This reduces the odds but that is the way it is.

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I see. Although I wasn't actually talking about your investment level as perceived by her, I meant your investment level as perceived by you... thinking about her, planning, writing posts about her... all this is investment. Any level of investment makes it difficult to be completely in the moment and making rational, unfiltered decisions. Let me give you an example. I bought a stock... the value went down. So I thought to myself "I will wait until the value goes up again". Value went down a bit further... I thought to myself "ohh... now I will have to wait longer for the value to go up again"... value went down a bit further. The correct mental process here is "if I saw this stock for the first time, would I buy it? NOPE!... then SELL", it's clear to see that rationally this is correct, but emotionally incorrect. So I'm saying you now perceive her as higher value than she is, due to your having spent all this time planning and plotting the strategy and writing posts about her etc. DUDE, there are MILLIONS of women out there! Because she flirted with you she's almost your girlfriend in your mind. And, workplace seduction is not at all discreet! I don't mean to be an asshole, you are a great guy and I want to be gentle, but I have to drive this point home, because developing your abundance mentality is absolutely pivotal to success in seduction.

I also suggest that you read this article, well I'm 39 soon to be 40 and I struggled with this a bit (was in the friendzone of a 23yo for a year or so, starting soon after my divorce, she claimed I was too old for her, although in hindsight it was more like moved too slow, attraction expired)... there is also a part 2 here. Umm I don't think your age is necessarily a HUGE issue provided you keep a few factors in mind. Firstly, at 50+ it helps to be SUCCESSFUL. Normally we wouldn't recommend wearing a Rolex or any of those flashy status-boosting devices, but for you and me, we should try to look the part whenever we go out. Smart casual is the ticket, like in this article, this basically shows what I wear daily. More crucially be VERY careful of what personal information you give out about yourself, you want NOTHING that would disturb the image of you as a successful businessman, artist, or whatever is your bent. Secondly, you REALLY need your body fundamentals in check, and I understand you are concerned about your weight (so am I), this is doubly important given your age. Thirdly, you will simply have to be much more of a badass, much more of a playful, teasing vibe, saying things that most people couldn't get away with... or you can go for a VERY low effort, deadpan style, but whatever it is, you have to pull it off perfectly. This will take LOTS of practice, as a 20yo you could fumble it through, but as a successful high value older man you MUST be on point. If you want to be successful, I suggest not only diet, gym, fashion, but also consider voice classes, acting classes...? You CAN nail this, but you must be determined, get what I mean?

Okay, I realize the above might have sounded a bit discouraging, but the other thing to consider is there are plenty of girls out there who will sleep with you just as you are, you just have to find them. You absolutely must be approaching at every stage of your journey, as this will give you valuable feedback on what you need to prioritorize in terms of your body language fundamentals, conversation, and so forth. What I would suggest for you right at this moment, based on the information you've given, is homeless pickup. Tell your wife that you have to go to a company retreat, or perhaps a health spa or some bullshit, where you cannot be contacted... or a weekend with the boys or something of that nature. Then go to another city with a return ticket (I suggest 3 days initially) and $50 per day you'll be there, and a Starbucks card. Take a few changes of clothes and a travel iron, as you'll need to be looking sharp. The nature of the game is that you go out all day and night trying to pick up women, when you get too tired to continue, and if you haven't picked up you sleep in a park or on a pavement or somewhere. You screen aggressively for logistics and NEXT those who don't have their own place etc, unless they provide some sort of other value to you. Here is a field report I wrote while playing this game, hopefully you will find it inspiring. Anyone can play -- I'm not sure I've ever been to a girl's place through homeless pickup, but I have had several lays, met a future girlfriend, and had SHITLOADS of fun trying, it has absolutely been the best thing for my game. I especially recommend it to you, because I feel you lack commitment due to your current living situation. Nothing focuses the mind more than being exposed and out on the streets with nothing to do but pick up girls.

Finally, I wonder why you don't consider a separation -- yes I understand you have kids etc, and your wife would probably be devastated, but part of being a high value man is that you MUST train yourself to put YOUR OWN NEEDS FIRST. Honestly, separated is not so bad, particularly if your kids are older. Why do you stay? Is it fear? Or is it caretaking your wife's emotions? Or is it that you genuinely love your wife, but want to have your cake and eat it too? (This is closest to the situation with me and my girlfriend of 2mths, with whom I've been kinda involved on/off for a year or so, I started dating again, even though I'm still in r/ship and I don't feel good about this, I will have to sort things out properly soon). Anyway, I feel that not much progress can be made in seduction until you separate, otherwise you simply will not have the edge you need (and I won't either).

Ray
 

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BigDaddySc,

BigDaddySc said:
Me: My lunch buddies are gone. Do you want to go to lunch.
Both women: loudly giggle. (weird I would have expected her to giggle but not the receptionist who I have no connection with)
Her: No.
Me: Are you sure?
Her: No.

One of the guys that goes to lunch sometimes is sitting in his office across the aisle. I say to him. Dan you want to go to lunch? He says yes. He walks over. He looks at her and says We'll buy. She says she'll take a rain check. So I guess that is no number three. Dan and I go to lunch.

I know really lame on my part. Any suggestions?

There seems to be an overestimation of your value right here. You think that you are heading somewhere with the girl. She thinks of you in many ways

1)He's cute but i'm not gonna date guys at work
2)He's cute, i think someone else can have him
3)He can be my boyfriend. but i shall play around with him abit

and can be many more.

It's nothing wrong with you here. Just that your relative value to her. You can try and bring preselection. Not all the time it can work because if you end up in the boyfriend zone, some women are just going to give up there, and some girls are just not as interested as you think they are.

So.......

The good thing: You ask her out of lunch

The bad thing: She's not as interested.

Opportunity: Try not to ask women out for lunch. Instead try asking out to meet after work and also avoiding coworkers from noticing.

Good luck. :)

Zac
 

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I have read through Chases articles on older men and younger women. I must admit for the second time since I have found this website I got pissed. Not at the website but at the society and the way we handle sexual relationships. The first time I got upset was when I learned how women react to men. The total lack of training for young men on how to interact with women in our society is appalling. I could send hours ranting on this. The second time was when I read Chases article on the older men/younger women relationship. I bought hook, line and sinker into the idea that as you grow old your sexual value as a man decreases. What did this mean to me? It meant that I didn't care about keeping myself fit and attractive because I thought it wouldn't make any difference. So instead I went for what was comfortable. This doesn't mean I am a slob but I am a long ways for the silver-back older male physically. Now that I know the younger females are very attainable I have a lot of work to do to get myself back in shape. I truly believe this will take me two years to achieve. I have already started and am making progress.

A lot was said that I greatly appreciate by Ray, radeng, hellatlantic, and Zac. I have taken what you said along with Chases article to formulate a plan for the future.
ray_zorse said:
Or is it that you genuinely love your wife, but want to have your cake and eat it too? Ray

This is me. Per Chases article older men like to have a woman their age to spend time with. I enjoy the time with my wife and we have a good time together. One the flip side I am attracted sexually to younger women. I would on occasion like to bed a sweet young thing. I am not interested in high volume turn over but would prefer to bed high end women. I know this will take work and I have a lot to learn through direct interaction. Day approaching will definitely be my method. This fits my life style best. I know what I am saying goes against the grain for what this website promotes but at my age and position I think this is the best or me.

So now on to my response about this thread. I am going to next her. I don't feel the interaction with someone at work is worth the stress and hassles. That could change if we hire a high end babe but we are not even close right now.

Hellatlantic i appreciate the car suggestion but from this point forward I am positioning myself as the high end older gentleman. I don't see the back seat of a car as fitting that image unless it is a chauffeured limo.

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