Killing at day game and sucking at night game

[MisterX]

Last night I went to a pretty crowded club with a bunch of friends and there were lots of attractive girls but I couldn't get myself to go talk to one.

I observed a lot what was happening. There were the hot girls who were in groups of 4-5 and rejected every guy but accepted drinks from them. There were the girls who weren't feeling it a looked bored to be in a club - like she was dragged there.
I watched lots and lots of drunk guys looking around nervous, getting drunk and hyping each other up to go talk to girls. There were guys who went to girls on the dance floor and started dancing. There were a lot of guys who were dancing with other guys cause girls wouldn't go near them.


There is so much going on: strobe lights, loud music, drunk people everywhere, noise, etc - definitely not a relaxed place.
I've tried a bunch of time to talk to girl in clubs but I seem to be too chill for the venue. I don't do high energy like the PUA club guy - going around talking loud and dancing(I'm not much of a dancer - dancing for men looks silly to me - you won't see James Bond dancing to nicki minaj or whoever is hip nowadays).

I know there were a couple of articles on GC about night game but I think it would be great if Chase did a couple of videos like Richard LaRuina - it's so much easier to watch a video especially about night game. Maybe a YouTube channel would be a great addition to GC.



I honestly think that night game might be better for the same night lay but I feel like it's more difficult than day game. Like you need to be more prepared, cause day game is pretty chill - just going about my day and when I see a pretty girl that I like I have the approach anxiety kick in then I force myself to go talk to her (the AA doesn't go away but as long as I doesn't stop me from approaching I can live with that).


I wan to try because I want that new experience of taking a girl home the same night from the club.
Any tips for guys who are good at day game but want to try at night? How does the transition go?

And btw who is "the authority" on night game? I know Ricardus (R.I.P. not really dead but not on GC anymore) was exclusively day game, Franco I don't know about you but from what I've read you're more on day game too, maybe Chase is more of a club/bar kind of guy? I remember reading from him that he did almost exclusively night game, not sure about now.


-X

 

[Mr.Rob]

Hey what's up Mister X. I was exclusively into daygame up until last October when I turned 21, in which now I do about half and half.

After turning 21 I pretty much went out 2-3 nights a week to get a better handle on nightgame.

The way I've had daygame vs. nightgame explained to me is that the only difference is that in nightgame the energy is higher and the sun isn't out.

Girls go out to the club to dance, get validated, and have fun.

In my personal experience depending on the mood of the venue/girl you can pull off the James Bond low energy serious deal but girls are there to have fun. If you can "bring the party" as opposed to "try and weasel your way into their party" and cater to that need of "the girls there to have fun" and do it in a sexual way (sex is fun) and pull from there that is how I transitioned.

I'm more high energy anyway so it wasn't too difficult for me to pull off. Try stuff out see what works but either way seek to "bring fun".

Social momentum goes a long way for me as well. I usually have to talk to about 3-5 girls before I get more "in the zone" and charismatic and gangster. Though sometimes I won't have to do this much at all.

-Rob

 

[Lotus]

If you want to go in low key try a low key bar without dancing. You are right James Bond does not dance, but he also doesn't even go to dance clubs

 

[MisterX]

Hey what's up Mister X. I was exclusively into daygame up until last October when I turned 21, in which now I do about half and half.

After turning 21 I pretty much went out 2-3 nights a week to get a better handle on nightgame.

The way I've had daygame vs. nightgame explained to me is that the only difference is that in nightgame the energy is higher and the sun isn't out.

Girls go out to the club to dance, get validated, and have fun.

In my personal experience depending on the mood of the venue/girl you can pull off the James Bond low energy serious deal but girls are there to have fun. If you can "bring the party" as opposed to "try and weasel your way into their party" and cater to that need of "the girls there to have fun" and do it in a sexual way (sex is fun) and pull from there that is how I transitioned.

I'm more high energy anyway so it wasn't too difficult for me to pull off. Try stuff out see what works but either way seek to "bring fun".

Social momentum goes a long way for me as well. I usually have to talk to about 3-5 girls before I get more "in the zone" and charismatic and gangster. Though sometimes I won't have to do this much at all.

-Rob

Rob, I was thinking of doing a warm up before hand. While walking towards the club (the biggest clubs in my part of the city are 5-10 minutes of walking distance) I could approach a bunch of girls(there are a lot of people at night and it's very bright almost like daytime so it won't scare girls). Just a couple of sentences for 1-2 minutes, then talk to a bunch of girls in front of the club and while going in - just to get me into a more social mood.


I talked to a friend of mine today (after posting here) and his strategy is pretty interesting. Here clubs open at around 11mp and it's starts getting full around midnight to 12:30, and around 3-4 most people are lower energy and some have gone home. So he goes to the clubs at around 3am so the girls have had a few hours of fun, all of the attractive guy are taken by now and the energy is lower. So he can go in lower energy and talk to girls who are "desperate" - the ones who are really horny but didn't get a guy or rejected too much. So he goes in and goes for fast extraction - since it's 3-4am the girls are ready to go home so he doesn't have to have a 1-2 hours of conversation and stuff like that. The girls he gets are mostly average (not fat and not ugly but not the hottest ones) but about 20% of the time he goes home with a hot one.
And the best part is that beforehand he was spending time at the club next door with his friends having fun but not approaching girls, so having a nice night with friends and chilling.

If you want to go in low key try a low key bar without dancing. You are right James Bond does not dance, but he also doesn't even go to dance clubs

brum, you're right he doesn't but bars are not really a thing here. It's a cafe that works 24/7 and is full at night or a dance club. Bars and lounges are not really a thing amongst college/university students here. There are a few in the upscale part of the city but the youngest people there are 35-45. You won't find girls that are 18-25 there and I'm 22. And the cafes are not an option cause they are basically tables with 5-8 people sitting there and I don't have the energy to approach girls in groups.

-X

 

[ray_zorse]

Rob is right there's not that much difference as I see it, except that the girls look hotter and sluttier and there's a greater concentration of them in one place so you can get some decent momentum going without freezing up between approaches. If you're not into dancing I would try hanging out at the bar maybe, if its very crowded you can chat up girls waiting in line with you, if it's not you can put your back to the bar and suavely take in the atmosphere James Bond style

Just remember to differentiate yourself from all the drunk guys grinding on and annoying women... the way to do this is to cultivate a calm, "regular guy" image... drink only soda water, approach women exactly as you would normally, just go in with a compliment and take it from there, except get physical fast, once she opens up to your cold read that's your signal to pull her into you and add some serious touch, look into her eyes and build tension, that kinda thing (she may of course not be up for this, but in night game move faster, competition is always present!).

You'll probably see a few guys with game who basically go around hitting on all the same women you do. But they'll be fairly obvious about it and basically just jump from girl to girl spending a short time with each while they burn her down. To avoid giving this impression (1) make friends with some groups of AFC guys you can hang and chill with (2) move women out of sight of the main action unless you're slow dancing with them and spending proper time together.

-Ray

 

[ILoveElla]

I know there were a couple of articles on GC about night game but I think it would be great if Chase did a couple of videos like Richard LaRuina - it's so much easier to watch a video especially about night game. Maybe a YouTube channel would be a great addition to GC.

We don't want a video. That would only embarrass our sex, and prove counter-productive for men in the greater scheme of things. Let's keep things discrete!

 

[Franco]

MisterX,

I honestly think that night game might be better for the same night lay but I feel like it's more difficult than day game. Like you need to be more prepared, cause day game is pretty chill - just going about my day and when I see a pretty girl that I like I have the approach anxiety kick in then I force myself to go talk to her (the AA doesn't go away but as long as I doesn't stop me from approaching I can live with that).

Ironically, I actually believe that day game is the easier way to get women. However, the main reason why most guys do night game is because they're allowed to drink (which helps beat AA) and it just feels more comfortable to do something that is more conventional. Approaching at a club is conventional; approaching during the day is definitely not.

If approach anxiety is not something you are struggling with, then I absolutely recommend day game over night game (if your goal is specifically to pick up and sleep with hot girls). Night game has a few handicaps to help you (because of the alcohol and the fact that it seems more socially acceptable), but because of those handicaps, I think your results are also much more varied as well.

And btw who is "the authority" on night game? I know Ricardus (R.I.P. not really dead but not on GC anymore) was exclusively day game, Franco I don't know about you but from what I've read you're more on day game too, maybe Chase is more of a club/bar kind of guy? I remember reading from him that he did almost exclusively night game, not sure about now.

I've actually pretty much only done club/night game. I did day game once or twice, but it was way back when I was dealing with a huge amount of approach anxiety still, and I found it very difficult for me to get started. So I went back to night game were I could get some alcohol in me to help reduce the amount of AA I was getting.

If I was to get back into approaching at this moment, I would probably almost exclusively do day game (with night game sprinkled in if I happen to be out with my buddies). I just really think it's much easier to get the highest caliber girls during day game if you really know what you're doing.

For those of you that started with day game and are trying to transition to night game, I think you'll find things are much more difficult in terms of finding solid success. Besides approach anxiety for day game, everything else about night game is much more difficult. There is tons of competition (of men with "liquid courage" approaching women), women have their guards up, and it's just overall significantly harder to get the most attractive women at the club because of all of the validation they are receiving from all of the men. If your goal is to just "try something different" or "try something challenging," then night game can be a fun trial. However, if you're already successful at picking up attractive women in the streets and are transitioning over to night game because you think you'll have even more success because it's "easier," then you'll be sadly mistaken.

Hope that clears things up. =)

- Franco