FR Kiss Rejection because I didn't pay.

[Bboy100]

So, I went on a really fun and bizzare date today. I met the girl for ice cream. I paid for my smoothie, while she put together her ice cream (it was frozen yogurt, so its self-served, whereas the smoothies are made for you). I paid for mine and sat down.

At the start of the date, it was pretty standard. I deep dove her, and she deep dove me a little bit. The only difference is that she responded very differently to my teasing/being cocky than other girls. Instead of laughing or submitting to it, she'd just roll with it and keep it a running joke.
Ex.

Her: I have 60 hour work weeks

Me: Aww, and that's so sweet that you made time for me! [As I touch her shoulder]

Her: I know right? I must obviously really love you.

Me: Yeah, clearley. Thank you so much!

This type of thing happened a LOT. She was also showing signs of interest from the very start. (i.e. biting her lip, dilated eyes, popping her chest out etc.)

After a while, I told her we're taking a walk. We started walking around the area for a while as we continued chatting. Again, the whole time, we had these running jokes every time I tried to tease her. After a while, I had us sit down again. This time, I escalated the physical contact a little more. After a high point, I'd leave my hand on her thigh. Also, I'd grab her hand and keep it in mine, and put my arm around her shoulder when she's showing me something on her phone. There was never any sign of discomfort or anything like that. She would periodically shift the direction her body was facing (i.e. sometimes, her hips would be facing me, sometimes they wouldn't be).

Also, I tried to pull her by offering to go buy drinks. She said "No, I need time for my liver to recover". I said "no you don't you're 18, your young. Your liver will be fine". I persisted few more times, but she still said no.

Anyways, after a while, she noted that I stare a lot (I was keeping very intense eye contact). I said

Me: Or maybe I'm just keeping really good eye contact and yours is just weak.

Her: I bet I could stare at you for longer.

Me: There's no way.

{We proceed to stare into each other' eyes for a while, her breathing got heavier, her eyes dilated, I still had my hand on her thigh, she was biting her lip etc}

So I lean in to kiss her. She starts to give me the cheek, so I try to manhandle kiss her. She puts her hands on my lips. I pull away.

Me: I forget what exactly I said, but it was something nonchalant. Like it was nbd and I didn't give a shit.

Her: not on a first date. Especially since you didn't pay for my ice cream.

We then begin to discuss our views on paying for dates. I explained to her that I don't believe women need to be paid for. Its an outdated custom which has no place in this world anymore etc. She says that "women deserve to be pampered". So I ask her why men don't. She says they do. After a couple minutes of her giving me BS arguments for why men need to pay for dates, and women don't, she eventually sticks to two things for no reason (she even admitted that she had no reason other than "because that's how I want it to be".)
1. We're not on a date because I didn't take her anywhere "nice" for dinner. So we're just friends. I asked her if she had ever kissed someone when she's "not on a date" with him. She said only when she was drunk.
2. She didn't kiss me because I didn't pay for her date, regardless of whether it makes sense or not. All while giving me the "I know you want me look" and STILL giving out signs of interest. lol.
3. I persisted that we actually are on a date. And I stuck to that the whole time.

So basically, in the end, neither of us gave into the other's frame.

The rest of the date was just a series of shit tests we gave to each other. Ex.

Her: What was your first impression of me on Tinder and after? Was I really scary and cold? {While giving the me "I know you want me look"}

Me: Na, you gave me the impression of faking being really cold but actually being into me. Your words over text seemed to feign disinterest. But the fact that you kept texting me showed that you actually wanted to see me. So I figured you actually really like me and you just don't want to look desperate. As for now, well...when I first met you, I had no opinion of you. But now that I've been with you for a while, its obvious that you still really like me, you just don't want to admit it. {Sexy smile}

And one I gave her:

Her: Do you believe in love at first sight?

Me: Why? Are you already in love with me?

Her: {laughs} Nope, I don't even believe in love.

We continued to shit test and pass each other's shit tests for like 1.5 hours after that (I honestly considered the seduction to have failed after the kiss rejection. I only stayed because she amuses me and I was really entertained by her}.

She also said some other really absurd things all throughout the date. Like she said with a completely serious face "I deserve to rule the world, I think I'd be good at it". And back on the topic of equality/paying for dates:

Me: Why do you think you deserve to be treated differently?

Her: Because I'm really pretty

Me: So are a lot of girls.

Her: Yeah, but I'm pretty much perfect. I'm also really smart, talented, nice, cool etc etc.

She also did this weird thing throughout the date where I would be talking about something and she would react by commenting on something completely random. Like, I'd answer a question of hers, and she'd reply, "I really like Eminem concerts". Like, her reply was COMPLETELY irrelevant to what I was talking about.

Conclusively, I feel like she was either batshit crazy, or she was just messing with me the entire date. lol.
However, she did "crack" so to speak a few times. For example, at the end of the date:

Her: So did you at least have a little bit of a good time"

Me: I thought it was...interesting. {Sly smile}

Also, a few times, she did comment on the fact that she'd be worried that she's not making a good first impression.
Ex.
Her: [She starts to tell a story] Nvm...I don't think that would make for a very good first impression. haha


As I was writing this FR, she already texted me telling me she had a good time. I texted her back saying I did too. The problem is, this girl is so validation hungry that I can't tell if she's just trying to get a reaction out of me or if she genuinely liked me (she even said, she "sometimes goes out on second dates with guys just to get a free meal"). So I'm not really sure what my next move if any would be.

 

[ray_zorse]

I think maybe you could practice your bored look (something I'm not super good at, because something low-value in me keeps telling me I owe her my full attention and engagement just for being kind enough to spend time with me)... and egaging a bit less. Like, when she comes out with the Eminem bs, just look into space for a bit and let a silence develop... when she says "well?" you look a bit surprised and say "oh, did you say something?"... basically you don't reward stuff that doesn't contribute to the conversation.

I also find that if the discussion gets onto pickupy kind of stuff like, paying for dates, or do you often speak to random ztrangers, etc, it is a pretty big danger signal and generally for me the date ends up going nowhere, even if this takes sone time to play out. I think if she questions how you run a date it probably points to value or attainability issues.

Anyway, once you start logically engaging her on stuff it is a bit of a vibe killer. Luckily it sounds like you had a pretty good, teasing, bantering vibe so hopefully this didn't hurt you too much, but for future reference that bs about paying for the date should be treated as a shit test and laughed off or ignored, cos once you start trying to persuade her that guys shouldn't pay for dates you've accepted her frame (remember that fighting the frame = accepting the frame).

As to the kiss you mentioned somewhere that you thought the date was over when she rejected her kiss -- NO! She's happy that you tried (value + attainability boost, as long as you handle the rejection as no biggie), she just isn't comfortable yet. So you don't refer to that and just continue the previous conversation, go easy for 5~10 mins just building comfort with maybe a little handholding and deep diving until any bad vibes have evaporated and you hit another high point, then try again, or try something different (neck massage, nibble her ear, whatever). Backoff rinse repeat, you can expect to do this between 1 and 5 times, even more in difficult cases. It's the mark of a smooth seducer. Also important when asking for dates/numbers.

Good work, seems like she is still down, but if I were you I'd.invite her for easy date and rapidly screen her out if she's a timewaster.

Ray

 

[Bboy100]

go easy for 5~10 mins just building comfort with maybe a little handholding and deep diving until any bad vibes have evaporated and you hit another high point, then try again,

I could def. see why this is a value+attainability boost the first time I do it. But once I start trying and getting rejected multiple times, wouldn't that create a chase dynamic (i.e. I'm chasing her), thereby causing me to lose value?

I think if she questions how you run a date it probably points to value or attainability issues.

I feel like this is an example of how girls have certain logic based rules for dating (ex. no sex till date #3). In her case, the rule was "I don't kiss guys unless we're on a date, and it's not a date unless he pays for it". In the no sex till date #3 scenario, we disqualify ourselves as BFs, that way her whole reason for the rule is no longer applicable to the situation. In the same way, wouldn't solving the "paying for dates" issue also be a matter of having her accept my frame (that this is a date) thereby causing her "no kissing" rule to be irrelevant to the situation?

Am I on the wrong track entirely? How does value+attainability play into this?

 

[ray_zorse]

Persistence is not chasing. Sure there's a fine line, but let me give you an example in a slightly different context (asking for a date):

You: so your final exam is tomorrow?
Her: yeah I'm a bit stressed
You: haha then you'll need to de-stress, meet me for a drink tomorrow evening
Her: ohh no I can't I already have a celebration planned with my friends
You: ohh... then how about the following day?
Her: will have to see, I have lots to do before my return to China
You: you have lots to do? then like I said, you really do need to de-stress
Her: next time?
You: you'll be away for 3 weeks, that's a long time..might not be a next time
Her: thanks for inviting

Above was, well, persistent, but in reality more on the chasing side... now try this for persistence:

You: so your final exam is tomorrow?
Her: yeah I'm a bit stressed
You: haha then you'll need to de-stress, meet me for a drink tomorrow evening
Her: ohh no I can't I already have a celebration planned with my friends
You: ohh awesome... they're your classmates, everyone has last exam tomorrow?
Her: yeah it's towards the end of the exam period so we're so over studying
You: I can imagine! so you've made some pretty good friends in your course?
Her: yeah when I arrived 6mth ago it was really difficult at first
You: and now you're totally set up here... your English is really great as well
Her: true I hope so, although I mainly speak Chinese with my friends
You: it's really important to have friends that you can be comfortable with
Her: I agree, how about you, do you know many people at the uni? AHA! she's investing again
You: haha just the people from my office but they're a pretty cool bunch, mainly postgrads... a lot of my friends are going to China for the holidays though, might be a bit quiet
Her: yeah, I will go back to China too in the coming week, like I said for 3 weeks
You: ohh yeah but going home for a holiday? haha so many people you have to see
Her: tell me about it haha... so I have some preparations to do like buying milk powder and so on she's investing -- telling you about her week, plans etc
You: oh right, where do you buy the milk powder?
Her: I'm going to be spending the day shopping in XXX the day after tomorrow
You: oh really, my office is just near there... why don't we meet up around 5ish when you finish
Her: sure that sounds fun

See how I passed off the declining of the date as basically nothing, and then didn't push again until significantly more comfort and investment had been built.

As to your other question... dating rules apply to other guys, not you... the only time I've ever heard this bullshit is after I've missed an escalation window (i.e. taken a huge value+attainability hit). Absolutely ignore. What matters is her actions, like if you've persisted for the kiss 5 times, then maybe rotate down to asking for a cheek kiss and then when you get it, make it your idea to take her home (so that persistence doesn't become chasing, since you've decided she truly isn't down for fast intimacy with you this time)... so you basically make your own dating rules, according to what you perceive as her comfort level. She doesn't.

Ray

 

[Bboy100]

As always, I'll certainly try it the next time I get the chance...I never dismiss anything before I've gathered empirical evidence. But I am kinda skeptical. The reason is because when you invite someone on a date, persisting can't come off as just being horny/unable to control your urges. Also, the only thing asking for a date guarantees is that the man asking his curious about the girl . It does not necessarily mean attraction nor that he's made up his mind about her in any way. Whereas I feel like attempting a kiss multiple times will signal that she "has" me. It's not just curiosity anymore. I must genuinely like her if I'm pursuing a kiss so hard. I fear this would give her the validation she desires (especially in the case of this particular girl!) and cause her to grow bored of me and lose attraction. Also, it seems like trying to kiss someone multiple times would give off the impression of a man who is weak, lusty and not in control of his urges. As opposed to a strong, powerful man who doesn't need the approval of anyone (kissing is a form of approval!).

for the kiss 5 times, then maybe rotate down to asking for a cheek kiss

But wouldn't this be submitting to her rules? I've tried to kiss her, failed, so I'll settle for something I wasn't originally going for. And I didn't get it because she didn't allow me to. She didn't allow me to because of her rules.


And by the way, I always do appreciate your advice. The only reason I often challenge it is just to gain a clearer and deeper understanding of what you're telling me.

One more thing I forgot to mention. I'm 95% sure she will put up resistance to an easy date. She put up a lot of resistance just scheduling the first date. She was super flaky and non-committal the whole time (still not sure why). I had honestly nexted her. The only reason we went on the date in the first place is because she finally texted me back suggesting a clear place, time and day in the same general area I had already proposed. Also, when I tried to pull her (I didn't even mention going to my place, I just said lets get drinks) she literally laughed like I was saying the most ridiculous thing in the world. If she puts up resistance to meeting at mine, how would I respond? Also, does it matter how she puts up resistance?
Ex. She could say any one of:
No
No, let's go to xxx place
No, I don't want to meet at yours for xyz reason.

 

[Lotus]

Bboy,

I agree with you she sounds validation starving and genuinely believes her shit doesn't stink, borderline narcissist.

Remember this is Tinder...

I'm sure she could have dates lined up for free meals every day and clearly she isn't above that

If you decide to go out with her again I'd treat it as a lost cause and just go for reference points.

In regards to persistence and attainability:

It depends on your value or her perception of your value, which is relative to her value.

If your value you is higher then hers then yes persistence increases attainability and is good, but if your value is lower then hers, persistence increases attainability and is bad. The important aspect in this situation is perceived because this girl perceives herself as above everyone so persistence is going to make her feel in control. You are probably higher value then she is... but I don't think she would agree. See below.

Her: Yeah, but I'm pretty much perfect. I'm also really smart, talented, nice, cool etc etc

Your responses to her shit tests were really good though. I enjoyed the report

-brum

 

[ray_zorse]

Sure, this girl is prob NEXTable, but as a general rule if you're not gonna persist for the kiss (when you've got her isolated) you may as well pack up and go home, I mean if she refuses the kiss you can (1) end the date (2) continue hanging out with her as a buddy (3) act like you expected it, a man with a plan, and smoothly persist knowing her comfort level isn't yet where it needs to be to make intimacy happen. I also see any form of physical escalation as a compliance demand (or more technically taken compliance), when compliance is redused you can either screen her out or rotate down to lower levels of compliance and build back up. But at the end of the day what matters is the strategy outlined is proven to work for me on multiple occasions, to my surprise originally.
Ray

 

[Bboy100]

Generally speaking, I'll try persisting in my attempts to kiss a girl. Bottom line is, it seems like the consensuses is that persisting in an attempt to kiss a girl as a practice can work.
As for this particular girl...we'll see what happens. We've both been making efforts to set up a second date since I wrote this FR. But we were both too busy when the other was free. Now, I'm going to be leaving for Bulgaria for a few weeks. If attraction hasn't expired by the time I get back, maybe I'll see her again.

 

[lao che]

apologies in advance for this lengthy reply. i intended to just jot down a couple of points but i got carried away. it's long but you'll see my points


now, it could be just your writing style but this entire date the vibe seems combative rather than cooperative. this kind of thing can be funny ........ for a while. each of you is trying to outsmart the other, always trying to throw back a smartass comment, to "pass the shit test" but it gets tiring really fast. at some point if she's not submitting (cooperating) you just have to call time.

examples -


okcupid girl, been fuckbuddies for 6 past months


me: hey, you big mean rule-breaker, you have cute ears

her: Lol. I can move my ears like a cat

me: that must look wierd when you get angry

her: So better not piss me off

me: hmm this kitten has claws, huh, i better be careful with this one, seems dangerous

her: Lol meowewwww

me: you look so cute and innocent in your little dress, but you're not fooling me

her: That's how cats are lol

me: it's the cute innocent ones my mum warned me about. said they look like sweet librarians but turn into naughty tigers when you get them alone

her: Lol what else your mom warned you about? (she's not taking my bait)

me: Plenty of time to discuss such frivolous matters (don't wanna get sucked in, want to turn the convo to more productive topic)

her: My mom warned me about mommy's boys (that's pretty good though, so props)

me: pretty funny. +5points for you. i think i'm beginning to like this little shanghai minx.

1 month later. (no doubt she was getting dick somewhere else)

her: Hey. I just saw your reply from a month ago. Did your mom warn you anything new?

me: She warned me about going back and picking up the thread of a month-old conversation with really unobservant kittens

her: That is how kittens are and u replied her: Do u love or hate cats since u talking felines in every message? her: Anyway. I deleted the IE cookies to release more space in my phone and can't remember my password. Just reset my password. That's why. I liked our conversation was funny. (anyway she's making an effort to please. 3 messages in a row, eager to have me interact with her)

me: Mmmmm cookies

her: "Cookies for monkeys "

me: Are you going to bake some delicious cookies for us to enjoy over coffee (trying to cut to the chase)

her: I probably am better in making poisons than cookies lol. The environment I grew up in I have seen more cyanides than salt....I tried to cook some food since not long ago, good news is so far no casualties. So if you are brave enough...(being a smartass and dodging my subtle invite)

me: Olh dear you're never going to get a good man to marry you if you can't take care of him in the kitchen. Well perhaps you have other talents

her: lol maybe I can make a poison that makes men forget that point. And I'm not "I can't live if I don't get married before 28" girl. (she goes off on a tangent and ignores my clear but subtle hint at sexualising the convo)

me: See you sucked me into a conversation despite my mother's warning. I knew you were a naughty little kitten. What else are you good at besides poisoning men and wiggling your ears?

her: I am good at law so I can get away with the murder charges lol (seriously I am good at contract terms and conditions). Good at history so I know how other people successfully or unsuccessfully did it looool

me: good at law and history. translation "i love to argue and i never forget!"

answers i would accept:

sewing

cooking

making cocktails

rubbing my feet

back massages

ironing shirts

laundry

her: Pay 3000 to a domestic help she would do that all.(smartass)

me: quite the rebel aren't you. don't worry, within a week i will have you cooking dinner, smiling at young children and saying "yes dear"

her: Why would u bother that challenge rather than paying a domestic help? Felines live with human for 9000 years and not tamed yet. (smartass)

me: so you're saying you're a wildcat? yeah, you talk a good fight but, all bark and no bite, i reckon (i'm trying to put her on the spot now)

her: Cats sharp teeth always hidden in a cute sweet face and look like so lazy that nobody knew it just tortured a bird (yet more smart assness)

me: yes, we've already established what a dangerous little sharp-clawed kitten you are (i'm really bored now by the circular convo so fuck it it's trigger-pulling time). how about a drink

her: You think a cocktail can declaw and tame the cat? You can try...

me: who mentioned cocktails? i was thinking about a bottle of suntory from the 7-11. how about tonight. somewhere around [my place]

her: I'm still in the office now. What about tmrw. U think beer can get kittens surrender?

me: meh, tomorrow might be ok , or you could swing by my place on your way home and help me drink some wine

her: Oh u wanna directly get me into your kitchen without any foreplay? (now we're getting somewhere)

me: well the dishes aren't gonna wash themselves

call me

[my number]

you can see this girl is good at the banters. it's kinda fun, up to a point. but it gets to be pointless. once you both establish that you can be fun and vibe like that, you gotta move on otherwise it all becomes a big test, for each other, to see if you get sucked in or can overcome it. to see who can have the smartest line or whatever.
gotta stop and get to the point.
i actually told that girl in real life, enough is enough. you don't always have to have a smartass comment for every situation. nobody likes a smartass in the end.you don't always have to prove your wit to me. i get it. you're smart and funny. it's ok.


here's another example real quick.

girl i haven't met yet, chatting via text/im, going round in circles with her always having a smartass comment or never allowing progress in the seduction, i'll write a detailed lay report after i bang her, it's gonna be a good one, but last night i just straight up told her "alright i'm bored now, talk tomorrow".

she: "bored of me?"

me: "bored of this tennis style conversation"

she: "and?"

me: "and?"

no reply for ten minutes so i decided to hit her with the nukes. i went to (sexy deep) voice message and said "here's what i think .......... i think you're afraid" she replied, "of what" to which i answered "progress".
she replied with a voice message which gave me an instant boner. she said "what if i told you that i'm a virgin?" i pushed for the close immediately but she actually had only just arrived back in town after travelling and it was late, but i pushed hard nevertheless.


these two girls are vastly different. first one is slutty mcslutpants (she tells me a lot of her shenanigans), second one is a virgin. but they both are building walls to be smashed down. slutty is used to challenging men, used to men giving up actually and gets turned on by a dude like me who deals with her and puts her in her place. virgin is building walls too, but she is desperate for a no-bullshit guy to overcome her and finally give her what she wants.
i imagine your girl might be a virgin and she's giving you a pushback to see if you're the right man for the job. she could also be a slut instead. i don't know.


now i'm gonna address several other points.

paying for dates: meh, it's no big deal. i woulda paid for her but i'm in a different life situation than you. i usually pay with a condition. like "this is on me but you're buying the cocktails".
when she challenged about no kisses because you didn't pay you could have dealt with that so many different ways. i might have said "shit, so i gotta buy you a house before i get in your knickers?" or "yeah, well you didn't pay for my smoothie so no sex for you tonight"

someone commented that her "date rules" are for other dudes. that's spot on. fuck her rules man. she wants you to break them. she wants to break them, too.


i wrote a post about the eye contact thing. you can read it here:https://boards.girlschase.com/viewtopic.php?f=4&t=8711
krauser also has a good eye-contact thing, you can search it. i can't do it now. but it involves a little bit of NLP type talking while you hold her hands and hold eye-contact. i've done it and it worked a treat.


the kiss .... if a girl gives you the cheek. don't manhandle her. but don't take the cheek either. here's what you do: kiss her ear or very slowly and deliberately lean in and smell her neck/ear/hair. or, if you've the balls for it, gently but firmly bite her neck



imo this date went on for way too long. you should have nipped it in the bud. you could have also been more dominant in the taking her for drinks. just wander down the road "aimlessly" until you arrive at the bar. but don't feel bad. the girl might just be a basketcase. on first reading i felt she was probably nervous/shy/low self-esteem.

anyway, that's enough for now. good luck



lao che



some edits:

you got into a battle about is it or isn't it a date. with you insisting "yes it's a date" this should have been avoided or skirted around. maybe try a "sure thing, buddy. we can be friends" while looking sideways at her and nodding your head sarcastically. then just laugh and look away or something. don't argue though. like i said at the start, always try to cooperate rather than attack and defend (although the combative way can still lead to sex). you're in it together you both have the same goal in mind.

you said the date failed after the kiss was rejected. i would say nay, the date failed after you got drawn into logicalizing with her, and going 'meta' talking about your date model and your opinions on dates etc. you can't logicalize with a girl. you just force her into admitting she's wrong, and then she feels bad. or you force her to admit that she has no sense of reason (i.e she had no reason for her beliefs, just "that's how things should be") and then she feels bad.
an older colombian lady that i used to .... see, once told me "no siempre tienes que tener razon." you don't always have to be right. and she was spot on. opinions are just that, opinons. they are really meaningless in the end. anyway, we've all been there. arguing your point, coz you know it's right. it get's exasperating. i'm at the point now where i welcome disagreements, coz it fascinates me to see how other people think (or what they say they think) and how it compares with my own beliefs. i'm not trying to change others' minds, nor am i expecting them to be able to change mine, but it's possible to disagree with someone completely and still have their respect and companionship.

anyyay, that's a lot to take in. interesting thread, i think

 

[mb1]

Sounds like she was playing with you man because you didn't escalate past the kiss try. You could have said "well my free kisses make up for it" and then man-handle kiss her with a nice bit wet one and then back off and change the subject. Sounds like your convo is a little too logical. When she mentioned she likes Em you've gotta be able to play her game and say something like "because he tied up Kim and put her in the trunk? I knew you liked getting tied up". If she's still in a playful mood after that then hard push or end the date. Personal opinion here. I shouldn't write authoritatively but it's advice to try! Get sexy if it's a Tinder date.

 

[mb1]

Just saw lao che said the same thing about logic right above me. Don't take girls seriously. Everything they say is based off how they feel in the moment and could be contradicted three minutes later.

With the pay thing, you could have joked about getting super traditional, just hold her hand and ask about her father's business prospects for you and if she wants to paint the nursury before or after losing your virginities.

You have to come across as the guy who values sluts and would never waste time with a good girl.

 

[mb1]

Sorry man I totally skimmed here and didn't see you actually did manhandle kiss her. But yeah if you try some more sexual frames with non needy teasing and chase framing, and then she's still totally closed physically, call her bluff and peace. You'll save time and move on, or she'll be back and you again saves tons of time. Prove your abundance and be prepared to follow through.

 

[mb1]

http://www.amazon.ca/Practical-Female-Psychology-For-Man-ebook/dp/B00RR6RNO6

 

[Mr.Rob]

Her: not on a first date. Especially since you didn't pay for my ice cream.

Lol NEXT

This interaction sounded like it was going good and then you reacted in a bad way after she rejected your kiss.

Your main mistake IMO is that you allowed the conversation to get logical and on unproductive topics.

Fuck debating on whether or not paying for a girl should/shouldn't be a custom as it is waayyyy too unproductive.

Instead just shrug it off and continue with bantering around and having fun.

Girl rejects kiss ----------> You: Haha yeah, so anyway....

Boom within seconds you're switched course and she forgets anything just happened.

Then swing the plane back around and try to land it again from a different angle.

-Rob