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Richard

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Alright, I have been absent from the Boards for a while; only catching glimpses of what's been going on with these Boards and I'm seeing a particular trend.

Guys with minimal/average success are starting to think they know everything. I've seen more disagreeing among guys who are still learning and guys who have long-since learned. Students arguing with teachers about their area of expertise.

The rankings on the Boards are in place for a reason and they accurately reflect your know-how socially, and seductively speaking. I'm not looking to call people out or point fingers at anybody but there is definitely palpable tension between members of different ranks. As you grow in rank, the general trend is that you only answer posts where you have enough experience in the field to talk about it; hence, you won't see me talk about things like bar-game and will see me talk about day-game. Why you will see college graduates offering advice about college and life thereafter.

You can take the advice with a grain of salt but if you're the one asking the questions then it's in your best interest to take the advice for what it is without questioning the integrity, character, or credibility of the person.

I left this site once because of bullshit like this, and others have as well. In doing so I gained a new perspective on things and understand that those who complain and argue with the higher-ups only last so long. It's like the recruits at bootcamp who simply can't make the cut.

Anyway, my point here is that when you start to feel like you "know it all," and that you "understand" seduction and socializing then you need to take a step back and re-evaluate your actual ability. I learned this the hard way when I started to first become a good pool player and the key to improving is understanding your current level. When you think you know more than you do then that's when your progress starts to falter and you can't figure out why.

-Richard
 

Chase

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Richard (and anyone else who feels similarly)-

If you are seeing less experienced guys here who are acting like the physical embodiment of Dunning-Kruger, please PM Franco about which members you're seeing this with so he and I can have a closer look.

We had a bunch of that a few months back with the whole brown-guys-want-blondes scenario, but once we started aggressively quarantining that stuff in one thread it dried up.

If it's happening somewhere else we need folks to point it out, as the aim of this place is to maintain an environment that is friendly for inexperienced guys who want to learn and experienced guys who want to teach, while anathema for inexperienced guys with agendas to push.

Chase

P.S., we used to call guys giving speculative advice about stuff they don't have experience with 'keyboard jockeying' back in the day. I almost wrote a "Please don't KJ" public service announcement a few months back, but it was only a couple of guys doing it and they seemed to settle down once we'd said something to them. Fun thing about KJ'ing I guess is there's always another guy ready to answer the KJ call.

EDIT: all right, think I know who you were talking about. One of the same guys from the brown-guys-want-blondes ridiculousness. I just warned him over starting flame wars. If he keeps doing it, well, we usually only do one warning per member.
 
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Bboy100

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It's actually very easy to spot these keyboard jockeys. They're typically rank 1 guys who regurgitate the exact same thing Chase or another author wrote almost word for word.

Most guys who actually have experience usually have some sort of original insight, or at the very least present the idea in a different way.

So tbh, while it is annoying, it's also fairly obvious.

I've seen more disagreeing among guys who are still learning and guys who have long-since learned. Students arguing with teachers about their area of expertise.
Admittedly, I'm guilty of this, and I may have unintentionally alienated some of the guys on here because of this. But to be faie, I also feel like questioning ideas is a great way to gain a better understanding of them.

If a board member tells me something which I disagree with or don't understand, I will often challenge it. If they are able to clarify it, it becomes much easier to both understand and buy into the idea.

So while I do agree that students should not be challenging teachers (i.e telling them they are wrong), I actually feel that challenging ideas in a cooperative way can be pretty productive. It's a subtle but important distinction.
 

Paulie Walnuts

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I've been trying to give as much insight as I can from my time in the party/rave/nightclub community, but I still consider myself a humble beginner. Please let me know if I seem like I'm overstepping.
 
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