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Freaer

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Hello guys,

I'm a beginner, and I was wondering if you could give me a quick thought about this conversation I had.

First, intro: the girl is from a foreign country where relationships are big deals, sex before marriage is a huge no-no, and she is very religious (christian) so absolutely no sex.

I'm 100% ok with all of this, because I like her as a person more than I want to sleep with her and I myself am also a bit religious (not anti-sex tho), so at this point I'm more interested in just dating her and getting to know her than getting her into bed, because I know there is no way she could do it and not feel terrible about herself.

That said, I met her approx. a month ago. We have a class together in college. I felt a instant strong attraction with and from her, we got along great, and talked for about an hour and a half when we first met. Since then, we've become regular friends but have not really seen each other that often. We went to see a show she had to see for a class, and I've made it clear through body language that I want her. We have a few things we do throughout the week every once in a while (class, bible study, and organization meeting), and it's 100% clear to me that she likes me from how she's acted and what she's said (take my word for it, I'm not an idiot ;) ). She comes to me after class to walk back to our apartments on campus, she's come on walks with me when I suggested them, etc. She invests in me. But she is also extremely busy, just like I am.


So anyway, I asked her out to more romantic things like getting a yogurt with me and going for a walk in the evening (sunset... :) ) by the nearby lake. I know she'd love to and it's something she enjoys, but unfortunately she has been busy almost every time. So basically, despite her not "having the time" to go on a romantic date with me, I was getting all the right signals in how she treated me in person, so tonight after talking and doing a christian "get to know each other better" thing, I asked her if she was against dating because of religious reasons. After all, maybe it's the cultural thing that hasn't made my intentions clear enough. She said she wasn't dating right now because she was so busy, but she dated once and it was a really really bad experience. This is more or less what the convo went like (not exactly, I'm bad at remembering convos exactly):

Me: So let me ask you, are you religiously against dating?
Her: No... no I date, but not right now because I am so busy... I dated once and it was a really bad experience, the guy was a bad guy... (smiling, enthusiastic, not dreading...)
Me: I'm asking because I like spending time with you, and I'd like to take you out sometime.
Her: -Something about just not dating because she's busy and she had a bad experience- (but still very friendly and maybe slightly surprised)
Me: I understand you're busy, I'm really busy too, but I enjoy spending time with you, and I know you like me. It's just a date. It's not a big deal, and you would have fun.
Me: I want what I want, I want to take you out sometime. There's time, let me know...
Her: Ok... thank you (friendly and sweet)
Me: See ya... (I walk, trying to seem confident and sure of myself, we both have somewhere to be, anyway)

So what do you think? This transpired a few hours ago, and it's night now, but I was thinking at this point to do the following things to encourage her to get over her bad experience and go out on a date with me:

1. Not see her again until Tuesday
2. When I do see her, continue being her friend (making her laugh, you know, teasing, being friends...)
3. Keep up the tension (that's already there) with eye contact, teasing, etc.
4. See how she acts next time I see her

(extra tidbit: all her friends think we're cute together and tease her about us quite often. We've often laughed about it)

Edit:

Oh yeah, thank you very much for helping this grasshoppah out.
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

Mr.Rob

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Re: Looking for feedback on how I asked her out

Hello Freaer!

I don't have a ton of time to reply but one thing I noticed is this:
Freaer said:
She said she wasn't dating right now because she was so busy, but she dated once and it was a really really bad experience.
If a girl says this it's almost always a brush off. Even girls that are "super busy" will have free time and if they find a guy they really want to be with they'll make time to be with him.

If I had to guess I'd say you spent waaayyyy tooo much time with her already while not making a move, thus plotting yourself in the friendzone.

What country are you in btw that's so uptight?

Just because a girl is "super religious" doesn't mean you can't/don't have to move fast with her.

You're asking for comments on your conversation?

Freaer said:
Me: So let me ask you, are you religiously against dating?
Her: No... no I date, but not right now because I am so busy... I dated once and it was a really bad experience, the guy was a bad guy... (smiling, enthusiastic, not dreading...)
Me: I'm asking because I like spending time with you, and I'd like to take you out sometime.
Her: -Something about just not dating because she's busy and she had a bad experience- (but still very friendly and maybe slightly surprised)
Me: I understand you're busy, I'm really busy too, but I enjoy spending time with you and it's just a date. It's not a big deal, and you would have fun.
Me: I want what I want, I want to take you out sometime. There's time, let me know...
Her: Ok... thank you (friendly and sweet)
Me: See ya... (I walk, trying to seem confident and sure of myself, we both have somewhere to be, anyway)

Two main mistakes I see are what I put in bold.
1. Don't ask if she's against dating because that gave her the option to have a negative response to your answer. Instead assume every girl you like dates and likes sex (even if they're a virgin), and because you provide both you know you'd be a good option for her.

2. Saying "and you would have fun" rings desperation and that you're now trying to sell her on your little offer. Don't try and sell yourself, instead navigate the objections. Search "handling objections" on girlschase or google for girlschase.

And to reiterate the real problem of why she didn't want to go on a date is probably because you didn't move fast enough. No worries just ask girls out sooner next time. A month of seeing her every week multiple times is a long time.

I highly recommend meeting MORE women, as that's usually the best fix to getting any "one" girl.

Good luck,

comments, questions, and concerns are welcome :)

-Rob
 

Freaer

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Re: Looking for feedback on how I asked her out

Mr.Rob said:
Hello Freaer!

I don't have a ton of time to reply but one thing I noticed is this:
Freaer said:
She said she wasn't dating right now because she was so busy, but she dated once and it was a really really bad experience.
If a girl says this it's almost always a brush off. Even girls that are "super busy" will have free time and if they find a guy they really want to be with they'll make time to be with him.

If I had to guess I'd say you spent waaayyyy tooo much time with her already while not making a move, thus plotting yourself in the friendzone.

What country are you in btw that's so uptight?

Just because a girl is "super religious" doesn't mean you can't/don't have to move fast with her.

Hello Rob!

That's what I thought as well, however whenever we're together I catch her looking at me and doing little things that are definitely not "just-friends" things to do. I was honestly not sure how to play it with this one, because she is truly unique. She has a complicated past and, in my opinion, has way too many things she's doing this semester (full time classes, 20 hours a week work, christian youth organization, external christian tutoring program, etc.)... Honestly what I was thinking after the first meeting was "Damnit you idiot, you should have asked her out while it was hot. You were alone, built rapport, etc. you should have asked her out!" but the reason I waited after that was because we were both so busy that our schedules didn't really match up at all, but I still should have asked her out to a 20 min coffee date. Plus it felt like she wanted to take it really slow.

I'm really kicking myself over this one, because I know for damn sure I could have had her after we first talked. It was red hot, man.... perfect chemistry. :(

Ah well, I will see what she is like next week on Tuesday, but I'm going to start trying to distance myself from her emotionally. I'm so seriously stuck on her it's not funny, and it's utterly and completely obliterated my abundance mindset.

We are currently in the U.S. but she is from a developing country (I'd prefer not to name it just to be safe lol).


Mr.Rob said:
You're asking for comments on your conversation?

Freaer said:
Me: So let me ask you, are you religiously against dating?
Her: No... no I date, but not right now because I am so busy... I dated once and it was a really bad experience, the guy was a bad guy... (smiling, enthusiastic, not dreading...)
Me: I'm asking because I like spending time with you, and I'd like to take you out sometime.
Her: -Something about just not dating because she's busy and she had a bad experience- (but still very friendly and maybe slightly surprised)
Me: I understand you're busy, I'm really busy too, but I enjoy spending time with you and it's just a date. It's not a big deal, and you would have fun.
Me: I want what I want, I want to take you out sometime. There's time, let me know...
Her: Ok... thank you (friendly and sweet)
Me: See ya... (I walk, trying to seem confident and sure of myself, we both have somewhere to be, anyway)

Two main mistakes I see are what I put in bold.
1. Don't ask if she's against dating because that gave her the option to have a negative response to your answer. Instead assume every girl you like dates and likes sex (even if they're a virgin), and because you provide both you know you'd be a good option for her.

2. Saying "and you would have fun" rings desperation and that you're now trying to sell her on your little offer. Don't try and sell yourself, instead navigate the objections. Search "handling objections" on girlschase or google for girlschase.

And to reiterate the real problem of why she didn't want to go on a date is probably because you didn't move fast enough. No worries just ask girls out sooner next time. A month of seeing her every week multiple times is a long time.

I highly recommend meeting MORE women, as that's usually the best fix to getting any "one" girl.

Good luck,

comments, questions, and concerns are welcome :)

-Rob

OK, I remember the convo better now for some odd reason, and I didn't say it would be fun, I said something like "It's not a big deal. I don't have a lot of time either..." but I see exactly what you mean anyway. Thanks for the feedback!

You're right about meeting more of them... It feels hard to want to seduce another girl right now, though, because I still have her stuck in my head... Still, I'm going to start today with guns blazing to my philosophy class which is full of hot girls who want my notes xD I'll fake it till I make it.

The thing about being an educated greenhorn in a field like this is that no matter how much you know, and I know quite a bit from reading and studying Chase's work, there's still the experience gap... understanding what to do isn't the same as doing it, and dealing with the feelings is something you have to get used to as well it seems.

Thanks again, Rob.

Edit:

Hey do you have any tips on how I should act the next time I see her? I will continue to see her regularly after this, and I didn't embarrass myself when I asked her out. At the least, we're still pretty close friends. Should I just play it cool and not talk about it? Just be the normal funny, flirty, and teasing guy with my normal mix of serious mixed in?
 
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