Looks/Fundamentals as a turbo to move faster - Guidelines?

[Tkr]

Hey everybody, I'd like to use this topic to collect people's ideas to create a solid base for exactly how much good looks and stellar fundamentals REALLY help, and in what ways we could use them with a sexy vibe to efficiently achieve with women. The reason being that Chase has an article up about how much looks don't matter, but not on how much they can.

I'm really interested in this because I'm coming from a place of frustration and feel like I need to understand things better, and I think that this is a topic that would help other people too, or at least provide others with enough insight to help them fully understand the whole picture. However, since this is my first post I think I have to include an intro. I'm going to apologize in advance for it being so long, but I think that all the details are constructive to the topic at the minimum and maybe even unique enough to be interesting at best.

Please proceed or skip to the end as you'd like.

I'm 19 years old, in College, but have came from a Highschool experience almost devoid of any "traditional" social life. Despite being very well loved around the whole school (a small school, around 1k) and even winning "Most Unforgettable" my senior year, I had by choice no real friends at all or any experiences with girls whatsoever. I spent most my time working out and playing MMO's with a close friend I moved away from when I was younger. When things did click, it was almost purely just getting lucky (7 months ago) and because I feel like I didn't do ANYTHING to make it happen (the girls basically gamed me) I'm left with everything happening at once and not understanding how to replicate any of it.

That brought me to Girlschase, and the past 6 months have been a revelation. I spent the last 6 months studying abroad in Spain, and most of that time traveling around Europe building my fundamentals and other skills from block 1. I learned to read body language to quickly find out whether a particular woman is interested in me, and once I sorted out my fundamentals that quickly became my strongest skill. My rise in value was so ridiculous that I still sometimes ask myself how its possible (Girlschase, that's how , thanks Chase and Ricardus).

For the first time in my life, I realized that despite being 5'5" (albeit Italian "dark", muscular, with a 6 pack and all, and apparently handsome (I don't want to come across as bragging, this info is for perspective/utility), I could consistently draw the eyes of most women out there; particularly tall girls, I still don't understand that one, but I've found that contrary to popular opinion the taller a girl is the more she likes shorties. I'm not complaining, but I still scratch my head over that one sometimes. If anyone has any insight/similar experiences, please don't hesitate to share. I've always been a very humble and reserved person by nature, but after cultivating a sexy vibe and ironing out my fundamentals I found that I could use my new persona to get free food/refills in cafes from the cute waitresses and a lot more, perhaps more manipulative, favors to list. I'm past this now, but it was an important part of development and helped shape my inner game.

However, my skills at actually bringing women home weren't up to par because I painfully realized that I have never even invited a woman home. The only times I've ever gone all the way were when I'd meet them at the same Hostel, otherwise I never got far enough in day approach to get there. Every little piece that makes up a seduction was completely new to me, and I was content on getting everything from the learning process in lieu of hard results.

I'm done with all this now, and now's the time to start doing it. I have learned that good looks will get you reactions consistently and attraction almost immediately; which is great because it opens tons of opportunities, but how do we take advantage of this to get results and be efficient? Just how direct/fast can we be and not get blown out? I just arrived on a college campus for a summer term with a single dorm and when I approach girls here my logistics are such that I just want to invite them over to cook something/share some ice cream, and DONE. Meet to close in 20 minutes each time. I only just got here and am too busy to try this (or perhaps scared, idk), but so far its not panning out that way. To be fair I only tried once (over text at that..), but despite her seeming very interested at meet, she didn't bite.

I'm going to add to this topic later as I gather more data points/results, but if people could throw in their 2cents from their own experience/theory that would be great.

- TR

 

[Richard]

Re: Looks/Fundamentals as a turbo to move faster - Guideline

Tkr, very interesting and debatable topic you've chosen to write about, or rather question about. While having good looks is a bonus because it immediately gets you noticed, it means nothing if you cant capitalize, and means even less if you show that you don't have a personality to match it. In your quest of inviting women back within 20 minutes, you'll need to elevate your game beyond your opening, the questions and course you choose to steer with those questions is what counts most in moving women fast, and you have to understand that not all girls will move with you that fast, a moderate portion will, it all depends on your post-opening questions.
As for advice on the actual moving, use implicit value and reward to both 1) get her thinking about the idea of you and her, get it sinking in her head so when you ask the right questions, she'll have had time to think you and her, and if she likes the idea, she'll respond much more positively. 2) allow you to build rapport via relatability.
After your opening, gauge her level of interest and her willingness to adventure, by asking if she travels, likes traveling, or has dreams of traveling. If she says yes, it shows that she is adventurous, and probably wouldn't mind being invited back to your room. But plant those seeds early, and ask open ended questions indirectly relating to your intentions in your dorm room, if she responds positively, on a high point during the conversation, invite her back to your room.
Good luck man,
Richard ^_^

 

[Tkr]

Re: Looks/Fundamentals as a turbo to move faster - Guideline

Absolutely true about looks meaning nothing if you don't act, that's a given. The chase frame is always a great tool, but wouldn't it be redundant? If you meet a girl and notice that after starting a conversation with you, her eyes dilate, she throws on a head/hip tilt, points both her feet closely together at you, and maybe even starts giving off nervous cues, couldn't we assume that she's already thinking about you? I mean, she absolutely IS.

I know when I see a girl I like, I visualize myself with her too. My take is that using a chase frame doesn't hurt and the value in a situation like this is that it's a humorous way to display your own interest. But if the value is in communicating that you too are interested, would it be fine and more effortless to purposefully let her catch you checking her out instead? I know this is over-thinking things but for the sake of learning to skip steps I think its something that could be explored. I've only done it once, though unintentionally, and I've found that it actually helped set a girl who was previously very nervous at ease with me.

Anyways, the adventurous frame sounds like the key.
I don't have much experience screening for pre-determined traits (when I do it, it's only if its natural to the conversation), but finding out if a girl that already likes you is adventurous sounds like the winner here.

Great insights Richard, thanks

 

[Richard]

Re: Looks/Fundamentals as a turbo to move faster - Guideline

Tkr, you're right about reading her body language as an interest indicator. My natural ability has been picking up emotional states, and reading body language so like you, I know all the signs, even the most vague signs of interest. That being said though, don't use body language as a catalyst to keep moving forward with your intentions.
Yes! Body language does show that she's interested, but her interest doesn't guarantee her moving with you. Think about it "If you're attracted to some girl, she's sending you a bunch of signals, things are going very well for both of you in the conversation, and she asks you to accompany her to a meeting for the equal rights of Neo-Nazi Communists," are you going to do it? HELL NO! Albeit a little extreme for an example, but you'd refuse because it's not something you're not interested in even for a girl that stellar. Such is the case with any small movement of the sort, what if the girl hates coffee, or is allergic to ice cream lol. Her interest doesn't mean she's comfortable going just anywhere with you, and it's going to sound even more suspicious to suddenly invite her back to your dorm room which is why I recommend gauging her and screening her first.
Almost skipped a portion, and yes, even if she's interested in you, and giving you body language. You can assume she is thinking about you, but that's not enough, especially when you can get her thinking about HER with YOU! That's the idea you want sinking in her head.

 

[Tkr]

Re: Looks/Fundamentals as a turbo to move faster - Guideline

Haha that's a great example about the neo-nazi communist meeting to highlight your point, but why does an invitation home have to be that sinister/shocking? I'm not sold that if two people have a great conversation charged with mutual sexual energy, an invitation to go do anything pleasant together at home or wherever would ever be perceived as an off-putting surprise, unless it is of course an invitation to a neo-nazi communist meeting haha.

I'm just saying that if I have a genuinely good conversation with somebody and I have nothing better to do afterwards, I wouldn't mind spending some more time with them, be it a dude I'll go over to play video games with or a cute girl who wants to show me her cool sculpture. I think that's a natural win-win feel-good response for everyone involved and its frustrating to know that people are different.

I guess that "planting the seeds" with chase frames and everything else you recommended would absolutely sail a smooth ship, but I think there has to be an element of 'not making it a big deal and she won't either' in this, especially if you open with a strong sexual vibe and create the great emotions that come with a good conversation. That would definitely feel more effortless and genuine (less gamey) than anything else.

Damn, I wish my campus wasn't such a ghost town so I could shut up and go try this right now

 

[Richard]

Re: Looks/Fundamentals as a turbo to move faster - Guideline

I agree with you tkr about not making it a big deal, that the genuine conversation with the natural emotions is enough to move a person, and its what I honestly do. My game isn't like everyone elses, its natural, its fun, its something I created as an introverted man =) However, I was giving you the advice to move the girl in 20 minutes, sometimes natural conversation isn't enough in that time. I've used both for different experiences, and they both work for me, but when I have to move a girl in a short amount of time, its nice to have a mindset and techniques that work. All in all though, you sound a lot like me, my game isn't a facade, its real and genuine, I take the time to put originality, and my being into the conversations I have with women, it ensures that the women who are interested are right for me =)