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HippertyHopperty

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FR: Lots of Sexual Tension, little reward
So i met her in a pub, started chatting and could tell she was keen. She was hot too. I also noted that she was with a friend and didn't think she would come back to mine that night so instead i opted to get her number. She made extra sure i had it and double checked. Seemed to be keen to exchange digits etc. However over the intervening period she was crap at responding. I sent her an icebreaker... no response. Follow up... no response... Hail Mary.... finally get response like 4 days after the hail Mary.

We chat a little i build good emotions briefly over text and then suggest the meet. Two days later she agrees. Finally get logistics handled the day before. Anyway i didn't actually plan much for the date because i was busy, i also rocked up 30 mins late (after telling her i was running late). I think this worked well for me because she mentioned she wasn't used to waiting on people and they usually waited on her. She was a little pissed but it went quick. I was quite casual about the whole thing.

Now we went to a bar nearby that was bit crowded but we stayed there for one drink but the sexual tension was sky high. We had like extended eye contact for about 5-6 seconds and she would giggle. We touched each other quite a lot and very open body language. The sexual tension was probably highest at this point (like 15 mins into the date). I know you should be more polarising as an intermediate but I still thought it was too soon to invite her home as i hadn't built much comfort. Anyway we left the bar because it was shit and i just suggested to find a pub nearby. However here's one bit i kinda slipped up on. She Eastern European so she was quite bossy and she suggested another hotel bar and she did a (little) bit of leading. Was way nicer bar to be fair though.

Anyway we talk and the conversation is pretty good, not great, but its 80% about her anyway. She definitely likes to talk about herself and she was enjoying herself too. It was here that i tried to escalate the vibe. She had good open body language. So i started touching her a lot on the inside of the thigh and the back of her neck. I faced no resistance to my touch, no at all. However when i went in for a kiss i would get flirty resistance.

No Stop it (said smiling)

So i take a step back and just let the conversation continue. Towards the end of the date i tried to drop a non-judgemental frame towards sex but it didn't work. I talked about the couple across the table and how if they went home and had sex its funny that the guy would be praised but the girl could be seen as a slut. I said that was unfair. She just stopped and laughed and said.

Girl: I'm not sleeping with you.

It was a bit of a shit test but also part of some strong internal frames against sex. Anyway i was rocked slightly, but i responded with something along the lines of

Me: Stop giving me that smile, your trying to seduce me!

and to be fair that got a grin from her and i regained my frame somewhat.
Anyway the next slip was that she suggested we leave first and she somewhat had more control of the frame than girls normally do, especially when they put out. However normally with the level of sexual tension we had i would have got something in return (a kiss?). Instead she didn't qualify the sexual tension.

On the way back i was as forward as i could possibly be:
Me:Your cute, why don't we go back to mine
Girl: Your cute too

She then said that she was definitely going to hers but that i could come. But it wasn't clear if that was a jokey invitation or not, either way it would have probably led to me sleeping on the sofa getting nothing.
The final part of the interaction is where i start to generate some serious negative compliance which is probably why i don't see her again. I ask her back to mine and she declines again and says:
Girl: But you could be a murderer, i barely know you!
Me: Common do you really think I'm a murderer?

She giggles again. So i pull her forward and ask for a kiss goodbye, but she keeps refusing and just gives me a peck on the cheek and leaves. I was pretty disgruntled. I sent her a text to try and solidify the good feelings but i feel the ending may have blown it for me because i never heard back. Although she is crap at texting, I'm not sure if she's worth it.

Any room for improvement?
Thoughts:
+Move faster?
+Maybe ease off at the end and realise she's not a one date girl to salvage future dates - but how long would she take? I don't know


Cheers,

HipHop
 

Skid

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Hey man ,

Here's my thoughts:


The sexual tension was probably highest at this point (like 15 mins into the date).

You could probably have made some sort of transition here like left the bar to go for a walk.


She just stopped and laughed and said.

Girl: I'm not sleeping with you.


It was a bit of a shit test

Yeah , definitely a test but you handled it nicely.


On the way back i was as forward as i could possibly be:
Me:Your cute, why don't we go back to mine

Girl: Your cute too


She then said that she was definitely going to hers but that i could come. But it wasn't clear if that was a jokey invitation or not, either way it would have probably led to me sleeping on the sofa getting nothing.



Only one way to find out! Don't don't joke about inviting you home - every signal they give verbally is somewhat smokey and grey. I don't think she was controlling the frame as much as you think , you just didn't feel like you were dominating the frame totally and utterly so you felt abit out of your comfort zone I think the issue is you let that get to your head. Forget what she is saying - she is still complying.

Girl: But you could be a murderer, i barely know you!

For whatever reason she doesn't feel safe going back to your place alone. So she feels safer going to hers. What you could have done here was screen to see if there was no one at her place. If there isn't GO WITH HER TO HER PLACE for the entire date there has been sexual tension she's come out to meet you - dude this chick wants to have sex with you. Just because it isn't 100% on your terms doesn't mean she doesn't.

I feel like I have this issue too , we get used to things feeling so hard in seduction we just make it harder to fit the mold we have created for it when it seems "too easy". In short take your reward.

Skid
 
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HippertyHopperty

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Hey Skid!

Thanks for your response and you know what, its amazing how much you gain from someone else's perspective.

Only one way to find out! Don't don't joke about inviting you home - every signal they give verbally is somewhat smokey and grey. I don't think she was controlling the frame as much as you think , you just didn't feel like you were dominating the frame totally and utterly so you felt abit out of your comfort zone I think the issue is you let that get to your head. Forget what she is saying - she is still complying.

I have had this a couple of times and your right, because its not completely on my terms I've always declined it, but like you said there is only one way to find out. I would get valuable "data points" by seeing what happened if I went back to hers. Normally I don't get much LMR but if i had gone back to hers I believe there would certainly have been quite a bit to deal with! The interaction was certainly framed as a sexual one but my dominance not being at 100% would mean i would probably have had to make some bold moves to bed her.

I was reading some other field reports where more experience members are always weary of kissing in public. I certainly need to try a date where i don't do that either but it doesn't seem to cause to much issue for me because on
friday/saturday night lots of people are kissing and most of the girls are happy to go back with me because i frame myself as a sexual man.

Got some more experimenting to do!

Cheers Skid,

HipHop
 
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