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Making progress and escalation with girls with sex appeal vs. romantic appeal

Marty

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Here's a question I've never really understood. It has baffled me throughout my adult life, and the odd thing is, although I have had so many realizations as a result of reading articles here, going out several days a week into the field, and putting in the work to do cold-approaches over the course of 10 months, and although I've learned so much and improved in so many areas... I'm still no nearer to the answer to this particular question.

Why is it so much easier to make progress and escalate with girls who have ONLY sex appeal, as opposed to those who have romantic appeal also?

I guess I'm not the only one to have noticed this. Making progress with girls who have sex appeal, but are devoid of any form of romantic appeal, is really a matter of fundamentals and process. Hell, I could do it reasonably well in my youth, on and off. I wasn't ever good—that's why I'm here—but I know it's possible because I've done it enough times. I've even had relationships with them. Yes, my process is patchy, but I'm working on it. I can see improvement, and I truly believe I can get it down if I continue to work hard.

But girls with romantic appeal? How does one even go about pushing things forward with them? Now, obviously, such girls have comprised almost exactly one-third of the chicks I've cold-approached to date, so it's not like I'm incapable of acting in the beginning. Even of the 63 phone numbers I've gotten since I started this process, 23 are from girls with romantic appeal, so it's not like my number-close rate is any lower. But actually escalating with them seems so daunting.

I assume I'm not the only one who has made this observation?

I hope I'm being clear. What I'm trying to say is that with the type of girl who only holds pure sexual interest for men, in the absence of any other form of attraction, it's possible to remain clear-headed, banter and tease her a bit, push things forward and see what happens... after all, a man has nothing to lose here, right? You might get nothing, or you might get a sex partner, and if she's nice enough and interesting, you might get a girlfriend, a serious relationship, or even a wife if that's what you want.

But in the case of girls with romantic appeal, by which I mean the ones you might love, what do you even do? You obviously can't treat them the same as girls with sex appeal only—that would be profoundly insulting. So you have to romance them somehow, like in the movies, but trouble with that is that there are so many places you can slip up. It's so much more difficult. All the relationships I've had, it's always been with girls I'm initially interested in sexually only. Later on, reluctantly, I might develop other feelings for them. But things never seem to work out with the sort of girl that I'd have romantic feelings for from the start. And those, obviously, are the best girls.

It's damned confusing. I tell you, friends, I've been puzzling over it for a good 20 years and although Girls Chase has taught me so much, for which I'm profoundly grateful, I'm sorry to say: I don't feel much closer to the answer on this one.

Has anyone thought about it in the same way? Has anyone actually solved it, and if so, what have you learned?

Thank you!
 

Franco

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Re: Making progress and escalation with girls with sex appeal vs. romantic appea

Marty,

You answer your own question in one paragraph, but I don't think you've realized it!

But in the case of girls with romantic appeal, by which I mean the ones you might love, what do you even do? You obviously can't treat them the same as girls with sex appeal only—that would be profoundly insulting. So you have to romance them somehow, like in the movies, but trouble with that is that there are so many places you can slip up. It's so much more difficult. All the relationships I've had, it's always been with girls I'm initially interested in sexually only. Later on, reluctantly, I might develop other feelings for them. But things never seem to work out with the sort of girl that I'd have romantic feelings for from the start. And those, obviously, are the best girls.

I bolded the important statements.

The issue is, you are assuming these are two different types of women: the ones you want to have sex with and the ones you want to take into a relationship. The fact is, these are both one and the same.

Before I bedded my current girlfriend, I was messaging Chase privately because I, too, had a good feeling that this girl was going to click well with me. At this point, I already knew what I had to do. But do you know what message Chase sent to me before we went on our first date (that solidified the fact that I was on the same page as him)?

(Had to do some digging, but I found the message)

Way to go, Franco. Sounds like you found a girl you've really got some lightning between. It's almost always very mutual when you get that feeling. Have fun with her, and don't treat her any different than you would any other girl, and I think you'll do fine.

Chase

This is the reason I emphasize to everyone on here that you should always be going for sex, no matter HOW much you think you'll connect with a girl. As a matter of fact, it's MUCH better for you to treat her as a girl that you just want to have sex with because, when a hot girl senses this, it immediately lets her know that you are a man of high value that sleeps with women of this caliber ALL the time. And the moment she has that realization, she begins to chase you -- every girl wants to tie down the "bad boy" that every OTHER girl wants (sexually).

The hot girls are SO used to men doing things for them as orbiters that they KNOW that the sexiest men don't waste any effort trying to court them. They just run a dominant interaction, have sex with them, and then move on to the next girl. You want to make those girls have to do some work and try to tie you down. If it feels like it's going to be easy for them, then they are probably right. They don't want a guy who is easy. You want to be the guy that she senses sleeps with EVERY woman, but SHE wants to be the girl who STOPS you in your tracks and makes you "hers" after you have sex.

Once you have this realization and you start treating the most beautiful women JUST like the ones you want to only have sex with, you'll start making gigantic strides.

- Franco
 

Marty

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Re: Making progress and escalation with girls with sex appeal vs. romantic appea

Franco:

I saw on another thread you mentioned you'd just turned 26, so may I wish you many happy returns, and I hope that you had a wonderful celebration of your birthday! :)

I very much like the way you offer examples from your own life, Franco, it's very helpful and makes it easier to relate to.

Let me just check that I have this right. You're saying that if I treat a girl who evokes amorous feelings in men just the same as the type of girl who evokes only provocative feelings, my results will be better because she thinks:

He's treating me like a piece of ass → He must not think I'm anything special → Girls at/above my caliber have a lot of time for him → He's a high-quality male

Is that it? I can't fault the reasoning—it seems quite a mouthful for a girl to go through every time she gets hit on, but I'm willing to take your word for it.

If so then that's quite a realization for me. Stupidly, I'd never thought of the matter in terms of how the female assesses the male based upon his behavior. I was too caught up in the paradox of the seemingly different results obtained with girls of one or another type as assessed by males.

That's why it goes up so hard against the intuitive grain... it takes quite a logical leap of faith to embrace it. It really does, at least for me. I'm pretty sure you understood what I wrote first time, but just to be thoroughly, redundantly, fatuously clear...

You're saying that you can actually treat a girl like this:

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...in much the same way as you'd naturally treat a girl like this:

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Those examples are obviously a gross exaggeration (intentionally) but I just wanted to be absolutely sure I was on the same page. Both girls are attractive, for all I know they may live similar lives and have a similar variety of sexual partners—yet to look at, one is cute, the other sexy; one evokes fondness, the other excitement; a man's immediate primal urge is to kiss the first, to slam the second; the former produces the passion of love, the latter the passion of desire.

Yet you are telling me—in all sincerity—that my results would be improved by treating each, against all instincts, more or less the same? Just to verify!

Thank you, Franco... it's quite an eye-opener.

-Marty
 

Eric

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Re: Making progress and escalation with girls with sex appeal vs. romantic appea

Marty said:
You obviously can't treat them the same as girls with sex appeal only—that would be profoundly insulting. So you have to romance them somehow

Sure you can.

You don't need to "romance" them, just get them chasing and have their intrigue.

Maybe you just THINK it would be profoundly insulting.

If it is insulting to them, who cares? They can get their stick out of their ass.

It's a natural biological process, it's what life revolves around, procreation. Like a girl I recently had a one night stand with would say about society, "Why can't we just love each other and have sex, why do we need to confuse the two?"

So maybe a mental shift is in order: "I love sex, girls love sex, and I will be absolutely unapologetic about forging ahead towards it."
 
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PinotNoir

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Re: Making progress and escalation with girls with sex appeal vs. romantic appea

There are subtle differences, but overall, every woman wants a sexual/sexy man. In fact, Chase just wrote another recent article on this.

Here's another article that I found extremely helpful. If a girl seems like a "princess," all guys probably treat her in that same way, but if you treat her like a whore when she's used to being treated like a princess, you'll notice quite a change. I've only practiced this on 3 women, but I noticed the results quickly. I told a "princess"-like woman that her legs were sexy, and she said that no other guys told her that.... what? Just crazy. The result is that she loved that compliment. But, it's hard to tell if a woman is usually treated like a princess or a whore until you start talking with her and/or give her different types of compliments and then it becomes pretty evident.
 

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Re: Making progress and escalation with girls with sex appeal vs. romantic appea

Marty,

I saw on another thread you mentioned you'd just turned 26, so may I wish you many happy returns, and I hope that you had a wonderful celebration of your birthday! :)

Thank you, Marty. Life just keeps getting better for me as each year passes by!

Marty said:
PinotNoir said:
In fact, Chase just wrote another recent article on this.
Chase's timing is impeccable as always :)

I was going to respond to your post, but I think Chase's article goes into much greater detail than I possibly could have. ;)

- Franco
 
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