Married white knight cockblocking

[Orelfius]

Do you have these all around you too?

These guys are married or with a girlfriend. They are not your friend, just accointance. They don't even know the girl at all, or sometime barely. But somehow, they manage to interrupt you when you talking with the girl. Oh and they do it on purpose. There's a clear intention that come out from their body language (like a body guard that move between you and someone or a bouncer moving in front of you to cut you access to an area in a club).

Of course, there's just nothing you can really do: they jump in before you had the chance to reach the hook point with the girl yet (sometime I regret that it's illegal to hire a hit man to get ride of these guys).

Ok, more seriously: I wish I could understand their motivations. Jealousy? (They are unhappy with their girl, don't want you to get a more interesting girl than they have?) anything else? Someone understood them ad could explain that behaviour to me?

 

[Marty]

Do you have these all around you too?

Never had this happen in my life.

These guys are married or with a girlfriend. They are not your friend, just accointance.

Also, why do you take married acquaintances with you when approaching girls?

Do it alone. Problem solved.

 

[Virgin101]

Do you have these all around you too?

These guys are married or with a girlfriend. They are not your friend, just accointance. They don't even know the girl at all, or sometime barely. But somehow, they manage to interrupt you when you talking with the girl. Oh and they do it on purpose. There's a clear intention that come out from their body language (like a body guard that move between you and someone or a bouncer moving in front of you to cut you access to an area in a club).

Of course, there's just nothing you can really do: they jump in before you had the chance to reach the hook point with the girl yet (sometime I regret that it's illegal to hire a hit man to get ride of these guys).

Ok, more seriously: I wish I could understand their motivations. Jealousy? (They are unhappy with their girl, don't want you to get a more interesting girl than they have?) anything else? Someone understood them ad could explain that behavior to me?

Could be personalities clashes, but that sounds like quite a lot of personality clashes. If a guy thinks that you're not good enough to be with the girl, and that she might be a bit drunk and naive, then he might naturally want to block your chances. I guess it hasn't really happened to me, maybe I'm overdue to have that experience. But I'd definitely be interested in any thoughts on how to deal with it? upon reflecting on it. If a guy goes to such lengths as to stand between you and girl when talking, then maybe you could try make it look like he's got poor interpersonal skills. He'd definitely take the bait to a comment like that, and it could lead to an entertaining few remarks back and forth.

However, if you have a proper hold of the girl in question, then the guy will sense it & know that he has no business blocking you. If that's not the case here, then I don't know.

 

[Virgin101]

Do it alone. Problem solved.

It's a bit of an alienating and exhausting experience when doing it alone. And if you get nothing, it feels like such a waste of time at the end of the night.

 

[Orelfius]

Also, why do you take married acquaintances with you when approaching girls?

No, You don't get the kind of situation I'm talking about. I don't bring them with me: they are annoyingly around in the environment already. Unless you suggest that I should exterminate them before flirting with the girl, I can't do much about it.

Example:
I am flirting at the grocery store with a girl, then, the owner/manager of the grocery store cockblock me.
(and I already had chafed in the past with the guy so I know he is married or have a girlfriend)

Could be personalities clashes, but that sounds like quite a lot of personality clashes. If a guy thinks that you're not good enough to be with the girl, and that she might be a bit drunk and naive, then he might naturally want to block your chances.

Yes, sound like that. I could imagine the guy thinking that it would be "wrong" if I manage to bring the girl home or something like that. But I wonder why he doesn't just mind his own business?

 

[HellAtlantic]

You're either a very creepy/weird guy that makes it look to the casual passerby that you're bothering the girl or you talk way too loud that other ppl can hear what you're doing. Most likely you have a very creepy vibe and non-subtle body language. Think about it - random strangers, apparently all married men, feel the need to interrupt a random convo between two adults they don't know. Does that make sense to you? Maybe try being more discreet in public/daygame. Or switch to night game where single girls are expecting to get hit on, you're less likely to find white knight married guys in a bar or club. You're obviously creeping ppl out causing guys to be a hero around you.

 

[Hector Papi Castillo]

You're either a very creepy/weird guy that makes it look to the casual passerby that you're bothering the girl or you talk way too loud that other ppl can hear what you're doing. Most likely you have a very creepy vibe and non-subtle body language. Think about it - random strangers, apparently all married men, feel the need to interrupt a random convo between two adults they don't know. Does that make sense to you? Maybe try being more discreet in public/daygame. Or switch to night game where single girls are expecting to get hit on, you're less likely to find white knight married guys in a bar or club. You're obviously creeping ppl out causing guys to be a hero around you.

This is a strong possibility. At a grocery store I frequent I flirted with this very cute cashier. She politely rejected my first invitation to cook dinner with me but suggested I try again next time I see her. I laughed it off and told her that I would.

Months later I got into her line again and she was happy to see me and made a comment about my cooking. Earlier, while waiting in line, I'd chatted up the security guard who was buying groceries before he left his shift. As the cashier engaged me, I invited her again to have dinner at my place. She started acting coy but kept flirting and we were quite loud with our discussion so people started taking notice. Her manager began watching, but I know jealousy when I see it. It was jealousy and awe. I then joked if she'd get in trouble for flirting with me. She joked that she would but we kept bantering. Then I turned to the security guard and asked him his opinion.

He suggested that she take me up on my offer and have dinner with me.

All the while, the manager, who I would bet my life wants to fuck her, just stood there and watched it all go down. I persisted a few more times and even held out my phone to make it easy for her. She politely declined for obvious reputation reasons, but it was all in good fun. Nobody stepped in. The security guard was on my side, even!

When you're doing this stuff correctly, people will help you. They want you to win.

So you gotta ask yourself - were you just being weird or were these guys being obvious dicks? You gotta give more detail with your interactions and we can tell you the difference between a cockblock and a dude reacting to weird/creepy tension.

Looking back, I should have written my number on a piece of paper and slid it to her discretely.

And if it turns out you are being creepy, well, you gotta start somewhere right? I applaud the creepy guy who's trying over the "cool" guy who doesn't do shit any day of the week. But it would be fun to help you transform into a pimp so that men just freeze in awe as you pick up hired help

With love,

Hector

 

[Orelfius]

Well… may be I'm creepy, but the thing is I STILL get the date and the phone number from the girls very often if I keep going after it after the guy went away. I honestly thing I'm doing it right, right for make it works. The problem is not between me and the girls.

Also, it's not realistic to expect cold approach to happen always in a private place. Most of the time, there's people around because you're in a public place (mall, store, café, etc.)… and if you flirts in public, people could tell what you're doing, only by looking at your body language and the girl's too.

When I say white knight, I mean THE MORALE POLICE. That's how I perceive them. It really feel like these people see you flirt with the girls, see the girl enjoying it and then think "huhuh, this guy is about to pull out this cute good girl, let's stop that before he defile her!" and then move out of their way to play the morale police and make the life of the poor seducer more troublesome than required.

So, what I was asking was:
What's going on in the mind of those people? Why they just don't keep going about their own business?

 

[ray_zorse]

Weighing up all the back&forth in this thread it clearly seems like a reputation/jealousy thing, basically when you hit on girls you have to do it in such a way that they can accept without damaging themselves socially. So, it is best if nobody knows you are asking them out. This applies 10x to managers and colleagues because they are just people in her life, they aren't necessarily her friends and won't always support her choices, in fact there could be rivalries or jealousies (e.g. colleague wants her job... boss wants to fuck her... etc) which will make it likely they spread stories about her and so on, coupled with the fact she needs the money so she can't afford to have shit go south in her workplace... so for all these reasons she has to throw you under a bus, it's nothing personal. So the best defense is simply not to let the situation arise in the first place -- do as Anatman said, chat her up in a cheerful and non-creepy way, then discreetly slip her your number. But if that doesn't work then you have to be a real boss in dealing with these cockblocks, don't be polite and tell them in no uncertain terms to FUCK OFF and take their cockblocking, white knight ideas with them. The best way to do this is to make them the butt of a joke "haha, if you weren't so fat you'd be hitting on her too", but deliver these sort of lines in a really smirky least effort way and turn right back to her "so you were saying you took up XXX in high school blah blah". Another tip is DO NOT BREAK CIRCLE, instead of any kind of comeback just ignore completely and continue staring straight into her eyes and talking so she cannot look away. Unfortunately girls will often break circle if there is a disturbance in the environment (but not always) so if that happens it might be your cue to cut him down. You can also try being physically rough like described in Mr.Rob's recent report, just shove him aside saying "send your resume to my secretary BITCH" and keep talking to your girl. All of these things will give her a wet pussy but possibly the best is ultra laidback, least effort ignoring, or a casual retort.
Ray