Master Seduction in virtually no time - in Strip Clubs?

[Drck]

Ok, I know not everybody has this sort of taste, but if you want to speed up your experience with girls significantly you should at least give it a try

This has just happened recently: there is this hot girl living in this area. I only noticed her a couple of weeks ago, she's one of the "wow" when you see her on the street - beautiful body, face, tits, legs, skinny, confident walk... I'm thinking she's good, easily 8/10. I've never talked to her, we just basically keep missing each other as we have separate lives. She doesn't really go out much, if at all, I noticed she's either working or is at home, including weekends. She appears to be quite independent, has a decent new car, she pays good money for her place, meaning she's got a good income... Only once I've seen her with another girl, there was never a BF or any guy around (at least so far). So, I am thinking, she must be depressed, doesn't socialize, is avoidant, kind of hiding from people... Maybe she was dumped by guy who she loved, I'm thinking, but who really knows, she is just down... She needs to get her mind off of things, I'm thinking to myself, and my White Guy rationale says that she needs a good time...

So I kind of figured in my mind that this would be a perfect match for some while - I'll get to known her little bit, maybe extend my effort so I could eventually get her to the bed. Knock on the door anytime of the day like a good neighbor, make her feel really good, have great sex - and leave back to my place. She's got her life, I got mine, exactly just how it should be. It would be great, at least for the mean time before she finds real BF for herself. I could even help to find her a BF while I'm fucking her. Man, I'm talking about Heavens, because she IS freaking hot!

Anyway, because I never got a chance to speak to her, I was waiting patiently for the opportunity to finally meet her. The opportunity has just arrived several days ago, we finally met face to face as I was standing outside and she was leaving her place. I had everything ready - my attitude, my body language, my frame... Man, she just looked at me as if I were nothing, looked down to the ground and kept walking by as if I didn't even exist. She didn't even bother to say hi. She just totally ignored me, simply she was not interested at all...

So all the above was just in my head, the whole imagination about me being with her has just crashed. I mean, I've never met a girl like that who wouldn't at least give me a sincere look and good smile. What is wrong with her?

Anyway, my dream crashed, I was quite pissed because my brain created lots of expectations from the first interaction, and because I knew I would be beating myself down I decided to celebrate in stead.


So I decided to go to a strip bar since I haven't been in a while. I've been to different strip clubs many times before, mostly during my early 20's - way before I even knew that stuff like PUA/seduction even existed. Some clubs were great, others not so good, but I wasn't expecting enything like this. I took only about $100 with me, planing to get 2-3 beers, some sandwich and spent couple of singles on average looking girls.

So I arrived, had to pay for parking and entrance around $15 or so. Well, it is what it is, I paid and entered inside. Within the first five seconds or so, I see this beautiful blond girl, trully cute face and great body, at least 8/10. Another one of these "wow" when you see her body and face walking down on the street, except she was totally naked. Imagine that. She sees me, comes to me and gives me a big hug as if I were her long term BF. She opens totally friendly, no shyness, no bitchiness, no coldness... Just cuteness, high vibes, and definitely sexiness...

There used to be time when I was having problems to even LOOK at girls like that, not even mentioning talking. Now she was standing next to me naked, hugging me and talking to me - within seconds. It just FELT so great. There was no nervousness, there was no pretending to be somebody else, to be somebody much better than myself... There was no game, no stupid openers, no anxiety, no seduction. Nothing. I'm just hugging this 8/10 girl, talking to her as if I knew her for years, trying to look smart and pretend that I will remember her name. Even my heart rate didn't increase, it was such a great atmosphere...

Small talk and I'm going to sit down, the place is almost full. I'm just browsing through those girls, as I walk by I have to brush myself against their bodies. Perhaps there were around 30 girls, and good ten of them had looks close to 8/10. Believe me, looks 8/10 is VERY high number on my scale. In my life there is only one 9/10, and if there ever is another 9/10 she will replace the first one. Simply said, there is only one 9/10 girl on my scale, and 10/10 is just a non-existing ideal Goddess. I've never seen so many 8/10 in one day, never before.

I sit down and order a beer. $6, that was expected. One minute goes by, a cute topless girl sits on my thigh, shoves her tits in my face. Silly little talk, then she asked me if I want lap dance for $25. No, it's too early, plus I went there being decided that I won't be doing/paying for anything extra. Rejected her, she walked away. Next one comes in, the same. And next one, then another one, all great looks, all sat on me, all shoved tits in my face, and all were rejected.

I'm still looking at these girls there, some of them totally naked, showing tits and pussies, others with light clothes on. Some dancing on the stage. As I mentioned above, I was in strip clubs many times before but I've never seen so many cute/hot/sexy girls at one time. There was every single type of a girl I had a crash on before - cute/silly/skinny/soft white girls with tiny tits, cute shorter Latinas, brunets with huge tits, silly/naive/young girls, dominant/more serious/mature girls, ... you name it, they were there, all combinations, all looks and characters...

I finished the beer and I just couldn't resist. I paid for three lap dances in private rooms, though I consider it quite expensive ($25 per each) it was well worth it. One of these girls was good 6 inches taller than me, but I just paid because she was so beautiful, had long dark hair and tremendous tits. I could give a sh*t about how tall she is. I touched all these girls everywhere, I grabbed their tits and pussies within seconds. No resistance. I was offered blowjob and hand job for $100, and regular sex for $200-250. I counter-offered $50, which pissed some of them off. I almost got one of the girls going home with me, but she still wanted lots of money so I left.

Ok, I spent the whole $100 which I didn't plan to in about 1.5 hours, I had 2 beers only, thus I was way far from being drunk. I walked away without sex, but I had really really great time overall. I'm still thinking about the good time even today, several days later, and I am planning that will definitely go back there, this time with more money...


From the POINT OF VIEW of Seduction, this was a tremendous experience. I've been around seduction several years, but EVERYTHING what I have learned in studying seduction say in 1-2 years I've literally experienced within 1.5 hours there. It was as if I compressed the whole seduction into 1.5 hours. For example:

* Abundance mentality, meet variety of girls within short period of time... Walk away from ANY girl no matter how beautiful/cute/silly/sexy she is and how sweet she is, walk away from her on a spot. That is HUGE. If you saw that many beautiful/sweet/sexy girls at the same time you won't have the desire to conquer only one, to submit to one for years...

* Confidence. Let me tell you brother, once you see and talk to several naked girls that are 8/10 at the same time, once you talk to them and you touch them within minutes, if not seconds, your confidence WILL shoot up multiple folds. You WILL stop giving a damn about one girl who is giving you hard time, no matter how sweet/cute/sexy she is. She will be off of that pedestal that very same second, you won't give a damn whether she will text you or what you will write back to her, if anything. You will just no longer care about this one particular girl...

* Touching. The second any of these girls sat on me I was touching. I put my hand around her, I put my hand on her thighs. Honestly, I didn't care if I touched her tits or lick them in front of everybody there, I just didn't consider it appropriate. In the private room I was touching her private parts right away, I didn't waste any time. ZERO time wasted...

* Neediness, clinginess... Independence... Ok, no matter how sweet/sexy these girls are, you don't want to live with them. You don't want to fall in love with them, you don't want them to be your GFs. All you want is your independence while having good time - talk to them, have a great time with them, have a great fuck - and that is it, go back to your life...

* Sex talk. I talk to them about how big her nipples are, I talk to her about whether my balls are hairy, whether I want blowjob or handjob, or regular sex. Or all together. I talked to her about sex while she was brushing her palm over my dick...

* Sex. Ok, it would be $150-200, expect even $300 if you can't talk, but either way, it is way cheaper than having a GF/wife. You do save a lot of money by NOT having a GF/wife. If you don't believe me count it yourself. How about STDs though? True, I worry about STDs. At the same time you don't have any guarantees that your sweet/cute/innocent and inexperienced GF/wife won't give you any either... Unless she is a virgin, but again, we live in 2015... But wait, at least if you pay you can have sex with her exactly the way you want, or said differently - she will do what you want...

* Approaching. There is no approaching. Stop approaching, approaching doesn't work. Just go to talk to that girl, she is a person, she is a girl, and she loves sex. You see her, she is beautiful and sweet - so just go to her and say HI. That is all. Smile and stop approaching. Talk to her instead...

* Pedestals. Ok, this one might be complicated, some guys place the girl on a pedestal and they overcome it by standing on even higher pedestal, others kick her off the pedestal. Either way, just realize there is no need for pedestal. She is just a girl, cute, silly, sexy, horny, smart or dummy - but just a girl. She likes sex, and she likes money, she wants to be appreciated.... If you think your pure GF or wife is different, well, think very carefully...

* Stop being White Knight. Stop carrying too much about girls, and stop saving them. Like the one I described above, just walk away, let her go, let her live her life. After the experience I could simply care less whether she is depressed, whether she's got many boyfriends or none. Who cares? I got my life, she's got hers. We can fuck together, or not... Either way, no big deal. Simply, in stead of getting down on yourself because she doesn't care bout you, find another girl...

* Balls. Yes, find your balls to go to a strip club. Find balls to talk to naked girls. Find your balls to talk to any girl - and get her naked as soon as you can... The bigger balls you find the easier it gets (if you are making your 10 commandments of seduction, this one is definitely there)...

* Believe yourself. Believe that she wants sex, believe that she really wants it no matter what she says. Believe it because that is what she wants

* Surprisingly, I REALIZED that all girls are just slutty. I don't mean just these girls in that strip club, I mean ALL the girls out there, including all the honest, faithful or conservative girls... I was leaving the club with a question: Are really ALL girls just slutty? And the answer was: definitely YES. I can't explain it, but it is as if those girls in a strip bar were NOT wearing any masks, but those who you meet on daily bases - in schools and jobs, or on the street - they wear many different masks, yet they are just as slutty.... all of them are very slutty. Must guys are FOOLED by those masks, but if you remove that mask all is there is sluttiness... They only cover up their sluttiness by putting up many different masks...


* Overall I felt like a King, and I still feel like one even after couple of days. That is exactly how it should be. With this confidence and experience, you just don't have any approach anxiety. There is no approach anxiety, you simply see a girl - and you want to talk to her, you want to nail her... You are the Man, you are the Man who wants to fuck - and she should be chasing you, not the other way... You should FEEL like a King BEFORE you approach girls, not like a guy who can't get a date, and because he can't get a date he feels more and more miserable about himself... That is just wrong. Learn to FEEL like a KING... Behave like a KING so you can FEEL like one...

 

[Chase]

Drck-

All I'll say here is, be careful.

I've watched a lot of men get sucked into the strip club / hooker / escort scene ("adult services", let's say), including some good friends who were quite good with women. It provides a quick infusion of dopamine that can be addictive; you don't need looks, game, charisma, or anything... you just need to show up with a bank roll and these girls will do all the work to make you feel special and loved.

I think that's nice to have once in a while. Strippers can be a fun experience, they're universally kind of crazy which makes them wild in bed, and they all know how to treat a man in ways that no woman who hasn't spent time in adult services can hold a candle to. If you're paying close attention and analyzing them for their game rather than being sucked into it, you can learn some pretty cool new techniques from them, too; they do this 24/7 and are masters at game, many of them better than you or I or anyone else who isn't one of them will ever be.

That said, there's a part of your brain that knows it's all fake, knows this girl is more interested in your bankroll than your mind or your cock, and knows you're dealing with rather broken women. Spend enough time here and you'll justify it by auto-rejecting every non-adult-services woman with thoughts and statements like "I know that girl I met at the coffee shop has a price; the fact that she's acting all stuck up and like she's better than paid-for-sex just means she isn't worth it. At least strippers are honest."

It's important to remember that when you're in the stripper's world, or invite her into yours, you are being manipulated. She gets paid by knowing how men work, what men want, and constructing a fantasy that sucks men in. It's a matrix of sorts... a constructed reality based on lies, that you get to continue enjoying so long as you keep her bank account in the black.

I know it's tempting to look for shortcuts to mastery... but there are none. And the things that feel like shortcuts quite frequently are side paths not to the other side of the forest, but into some witch's lair or spider's web. Be wary of bright shiny objects and alternative routes that look and feel too good to be true when you're on a long journey toward somewhere worthwhile. The story of Homer's Odyssey comes to mind. If "good with girls" is the object of your journey, strip clubs are something like the isle of Ogygia. Pleasurable, seemingly paradisiacal, and quick to make you forget and despise your true destination.

If you want to avoid scenarios where you're stuck on one girl and let down when it doesn't work out, there's a simple solution: meet more girls. It's not easy, and it's not a shortcut, but once you're doing it it's a whole lot of fun, and unlike strip clubs it'll actually make you do better, not worse, with women you meet in the real world, just like this girl in your residence who happens to live a few doors down.

Chase

 

[moolar]

I cannot agree more to what Chase has said. Tread carefully, brother.

And again, if your goal is to become a master at seduction, then you must realize that seduction is much more than just having sex with pretty girls, which you can, with the right price, get from the numerous strippers' clubs around. Seduction is mastering and having full control of one's mind-adroitly affecting them to be at your beck and call. To me, that's the greatest feeling there's....the sex is second.

Another thing is that, the atmosphere of such places is too mercantile and inexhaustive. Ok, while sex is like the icing on the cake of all seductions, the art of bypassing all of a girl's mental cockblocks to finally bed her is truly golden! That's seduction at its purest form. Not an arrangement where a girl, because she is fain to extract just about every penny you came in with, puts up a show to impress yo' fucking dollars out of yo' fucking wallet. The way I see it, it's the stripper who eventually seduces you, not the other way round.

Having said that, to say such clubs do not have their own unique high-points is to be bordering on the insane. Sure, they imbue you with tremendous confidence, which truly saying, every aspiring seducer needs. The freedom to touch and establish physical contact as one wishes is also very good....and of course, the shine you get from knowing that you just banged a an 8 or 9 as the case may be, whether it be a stripper or the decent-looking girl down your street.

By and large, be careful, brother. Don't let money be the only substitute to the cornucopia of skills needed to truly master the art.

Perhaps, you may want to master how to disarm them without having to always monetize the affair?

Channel the confidence you derive from these strippers to doing day game/night game.

That may just be the breaking point for you.

 

[Franco]

Drck,

Chase already covered most of my thoughts here.

The danger with assuming that strip clubs are a shortcut to mastery is that you've essentially "paid money" to skip straight to the escalation portion of the process and skip everything else that is actually quite difficult (approach, conversation, number grab, date scheduling, date itself, pulling, etc.)

Without learning all of the above techniques, you'll still won't incur an "abundance" mentality because you really haven't achieved abundance. The only way a strip club would allow you to achieve abundance would be if your bank roll was unlimited -- even then, you won't have achieved "mastery" since mastery implies that you know all of the aforementioned techniques to picking up women, and not just how to pay money to skip the first important aspects to seducing.

I've picked up a few strippers before because it allowed me to skip all of the stages that were difficult for me (approaching and removing myself from the boyfriend zone being two of them) and allowed me to work strictly within the confines that I excelled in (connecting/being sexual/escalating) with women. It's definitely fun, but it's a facade that is not really a shortcut to the type of mastery we talk about on here (and probably not the type of mastery that one would be satisfied with).

- Franco

 

[Drck]

Eh guys, you are so sensitive. Perhaps the title I wrote is quite misleading, and I definitely agree - there are no shortcuts to seduction - but going to a strip club here and there is absolute must. It is a great boost of confidence, you just can't beat it, it is fun.

You simply pay for the service, you pay to have a good fun with no effort, and although it is not really a seduction at all there is lots of similarities.

Makes me actually quite wonder how much regular (non-stripper) girls are gaming guys. There is lots of girls out there, they don't have any problems to get naked (while they don't sell themselves for money in a direct way). She just "plays" this silly/cute sweet girl with most guys, she puts up some resistance just to see which guy is man enough to take her to the bed fast. It is not that she doesn't want to have sex, she does, but only with really determined/horny guy. Because of the sweetness and cuteness, and most of the obstacles she puts in the way, most guys obviously fail... they get overwhelmed with those sweet emotions.

I've noticed that some 2-3 years ago, just can't wrap it up into some concise sentence, but there is definitely lots of the "slutty-ness" and "masking" as I've attempted to describe above. Going to the strip club was as if I've finally seen through it, it was as if real nature of women was finally revealed...

Anyhow, great posts, and going to the strip club is a definitely good break even from seduction. Each guy who spends some time on girls on GC should be required to spend at least $200 each month in a strip club. Going to strip clubs should be a part of seduction, don't think, don't analyze it - simply just do it, LOL

 

[Franco]

Drck,

Anyhow, great posts, and going to the strip club is a definitely good break even from seduction. Each guy who spends some time on girls on GC should be required to spend at least $200 each month in a strip club. Going to strip clubs should be a part of seduction, don't think, don't analyze it - simply just do it, LOL

Oh, I have no problem going to strip clubs as a "break" from seduction! They're great! I usually go to one of the bigger ones with my buddy when we go to Vegas.

I was just making the distinction that you won't really "master" seduction in a strip club environment because a lot of the initial interaction is artificial -- this is to make the guys horny (rather than the reverse role of the guys having to make the GIRL horny). So that's where the money comes into play.

Nonetheless, I have no problems with strip clubs, and I think it certainly can be fun to go with a group of friends. =)

- Franco

 

[Troy]

* Approaching. There is no approaching. Stop approaching, approaching doesn't work. Just go to talk to that girl, she is a person, she is a girl, and she loves sex. You see her, she is beautiful and sweet - so just go to her and say HI. That is all. Smile and stop approaching. Talk to her instead...

I live by this statement bro! This mindset has been helping me kill approach anxiety and neediness.

No resistance. I was offered blowjob and hand job for $100, and regular sex for $200-250. I counter-offered $50, which pissed some of them off. I almost got one of the girls going home with me, but she still wanted lots of money so I left.

So much for sex? Seriously? Thats overcharge. And $25 on a lap dance? That's a ridiculous amount of money id say. For the clubs I've been to and heard of a lap dance doesn't cost more than $5 and sex for 3 hours costs no more than $30. Well I guess it must have something to do with basic economics. Supply vs. Demand; and having more girls than men to buy causes a reduction in price so the girls can make money and better compete with the other girls.

I think you're being taxed. Whatever decision you make I hope everything turns out good.

Troy

 

[Mr.Rob]

For the clubs I've been to and heard of a lap dance doesn't cost more than $5 and sex for 3 hours costs no more than $30.

It's probably because you live in the Caribbean. Idk where you live exactly but when I went to the Dominican Republic sex was about 20-30 US dollars, whereas back in the USA sex is %500 or more increased.

The dollar goes farther in most Caribbean countries than it does in a America, thus as you mention with supply and demand the equilibrium price most likely balances out cheaper.

 

[Drck]

IMO $200 in-house is a decent deal for the quality of girls you get, or at least it's an average deal. All included, massage, sex, whatever the request is. I was told that there is no time limit but I would be cautious about that. Normal rates are around $300 per hour, probably more for out calls, and definitely more for top girl (which those were). The $100 described above was for hand job and blow job, full one hour service. Lap dances are definitely overpriced, agreed, they don't worth it

I heard about Caribbean, esp. Dominican Rep. Sounds really good, they suppose to have new load of girls quite often and they are medically cleared. I wouldn't go by myself only unless you are familiar with the area though, but with 2-3 friends it's a doable trip.

 

[Palpability]

Pay for women? What kind of absurdity is this?! I've never been to a strip club! I'm learning a lot from all of you guys though. I appreciate it.

 

[ray_zorse]

I'm kinda with DrexelScott on this one, he noted in another post about sex with prostitutes that by paying for it you mentally give yourself a value hit that takes time to recover from.

I have been to strip clubs w my bro's many moons ago, but I'm not keen to repeat this, especially as I have been clean of porn for 9mths or so and I'm wary of those dopamine hits.

If I do go I'll be following Tucker Max's advice and gaming the cocktail waitresses

-Ray

 

[Drck]

IMO, many times it is just about having different options. You like brunettes, ok, but does it mean that blonds are bad? You could go out with blonds, if you want to. You like jiujitsu, does it mean that karate or box are bad? Simply try it. Or not if you don't want to.

You can talk to girls in the classroom or to waitress in the restaurant. And you should. But does it make girls on the airport bad? Do you talk only to girls that live in your city, and never to girls from other cities? That is your choice, other guys don't have problems talking to any girls. Are only girls that you meet on the street and have sex with them on the first day the only good ones, and are all the strippers bad because you have to pay for fun? Maybe. I see it differently though.

BUT - How do you actually know that if you meet a hot girl on the street and sleep with her on the first try, that she is not a stripper? Just because she goes to school during days, taking great care of her grandma, doesn't tell you what she's doing at night and you don't pay for anything doesn't mean you got an innocent virgin. She could have slept with 50 guys before you, and maybe some of them she had sex for $$$. Good money. You just don't know, chances are that she won't tell you even if you marry her. I mean, do you tell girls that you meet that you are practicing seduction and that you want to sleep with 100 other girls before you meet the "right" one? Right.

Remember, sleeping with guys is fairly easy for good looking girls, most of the time all they have to do is smile, be cute, put up some nonsense barriers in the guy's way, and say yes if he persists a bit... She can sleep even with an unattractive guy because she is bored...

Going to the strip club is actually a HUGE eye opener. You could see the same young girls that you are meeting on the streets of your city naked, working for money, giving happily BJ and hand-jobs to older dudes... All for $$$, yet she still remain cute, sweet and sexy... For what I know, she could easily even blush when you approach her on the street tomorrow... Many girls simply don't behave only in a good way or bad way... They can behave in both ways, depending on who they meet.

You talk about porn. Well, look just how many millions of porn SITES are there, who knows how many tens of millions girls are there voluntarily filming themselves... It is even impossible to count it. How do you know, when you meet a hot girl on the street, that she doesn't have her own videos out there doing the stuff with random dudes that you only dream about? Do you think that these sweet/cute/sexy girls that you are passing by on the street daily while wishing that you have guts to approach them, are all "good" girls? Well, think twice my friends, think twice. The World is simply many times different than we wish it to be...

That is it, case closed, I don't want to hear any more nonsense about strip clubs. I can't hear it anymore, it hurts my ears. You pay, true, but at the same it is a great experience if the club is decent. If nothing else it is an eye opener, and if you don't want to see naked girls having fun for couple of $$$, well, simply don't...

 

[sdb]

I know it's tempting to look for shortcuts to mastery... but there are none. And the things that feel like shortcuts quite frequently are side paths not to the other side of the forest, but into some witch's lair or spider's web. Be wary of bright shiny objects and alternative routes that look and feel too good to be true when you're on a long journey toward somewhere worthwhile.


Chase

Brilliantly said