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This approach took place roughly 2 months ago, but was looking at it yesterday and had much of it already typed up. Lots of little things I learned from this one, so thought it’d be a cool one to share.
For this approach I was a little rusty due to not having cold approach for the three weeks prior to it. I was rusty in that shitty way where you can see and recognize many of the mistakes you’re making but not really do anything about it because they’re the result of lack of practice and not lack of understanding or cognition.
The approach took place at the gym during the day; the gym sort of plays out as a social circle for me because I’m a regular.. And that social circle has a role in this whole interaction. At the gym there are mostly older women during this time of the day (like 10:00 AM or so) and a few older guys that lift and some horny grandpas amongst them who just come to check out the older women. There aren’t many people around my age, but a few that are there who I’m cool with.
People in Social Circle (during this approach)
Baily
Baily’s not the girl of this approach. She’s a girl in the gym social circle who lifts during the day.
One of the cool things about your game improving is the relationships you get to have with women that aren’t getting intimate with; you can have a deeper female friend relationship, much more mutually gratifying and cool than one the average friend-zoned orbiter ever gets the pleasure of experiencing.
Bailey’s the female friend and we have a cool relationship (she’s quite attractive, but older than me, 26, and married with a couple of really cute kids). There’s a light, flirtation between us that you see with female friends that works because you’re not trying to fuck them, and they’re into you because you’re socially tuned to a decent degree.
Alex
Alex is huge; he’s not a natty (natural lifter) either but won’t admit that of course … he’s a few inches shorter than me: 5’7, weighs 200 lbs and has great muscular maturity and looks like a greek god and can out lift me by a ton. It's ironic though because for every bit of ability he has with strength and weights, he lacks in ability with women...
Leo
Leo is Baily’s younger brother, he’s my age (20) and goes to a sister college of mine… he’s the dude in the social circle that goes “hey I saw you talking to that girl damn dude get it!” … which you just have to politely wink and say oh yea cool bro
Danny
Danny plays a big part in this story; Danny is actually not part of this social circle with the other 3 people.. he’s friend with me only, and I tend to lift with him more regularly than the others.
Danny’s a natural, and an experienced natural at that: he’s 3 years older than me, and used to be a stripper for a couple years when he was my age... his lay count is in the 90’s and he’s close to hitting number 100.
I have the friend-mentor relationship with him; we’ll kick it together and lift and work on business, but I try not to ask him anything about game and just learn all I can from him through observation and osmosis.
The Interaction
Angel
So on this fine particular morning, I get done talking to a different girl (nothing significant just bantering with a woman I know). I walk back to the station where my friends are at (the first 3); the station has a pullup bar in the center and cables on either side to work abs or arms or whatever.
Bailey saw me talking to the first girl and says
Bailey to Alex and Leo
Haha .. we talk about random stuff and take turns working on abs for a little while
Angel enters… I’ve never seen this girl before
She’s brunette like 5’6 and has a curvy latina body but not from working out, just from natural good looks (like I can tell that she’s not a regular at the gym).
This next part is funny because Baily tries to play the part of wing-girl to me haha
(it’s a pulldown rope and you hold the rope and you crunch down to work your abs; it’s really easy, obvious and self-doable).
Angel looks me up and down and then comes and says
On first thought this girl is really confident and doesn’t seem shy about meeting a new person at all… she just seems like a generic attractive Hispanic chick, the type you look at and say yea I’d smash (but nothing special; my city is full of them)… hmm I’m interested, my curiosity is piqued and I go to show her how to use the machine.
While I show her the ab workout and she asks me warmly if she’s doing it right, I notice Bailey out of the corner of my eye snickering with her brother and alex from a little ways away to the side
I catch her eye and she smiles and gestures to me like (you gonna hit that huh
)?
It’s not really subtle or helpful at all; I laugh but am kind of puzzled about this girl, and not sure what’s up with her… maybe she is experienced? The thought crosses my mind, I haven’t met many experienced girls in the past…..
Bailey gives me and Angel room trying to be a fucking wing girl… lol and she hangs back with the two guys (she’s easily the leader out of the 3 of them).
I try to deepdive Angel but for some reason this doesn’t get far… it’s odd because I notice her checkme out when I go to get water… but she checks me out in the same way that I might check a girl out (subtly and with an air of superiority or abundance)… despite being attracted, I can’t help but feel that something is off about the girl, but can’t put my finger on what that something is.
Angel talks to Bailey for a bit:
Good job bailey ... I facepalm myself in my head… I get done with my set right then and ask her,
I understand that I’m fucking up because this girl is flirty with me but in an “I’m the prize” way instead of a coy, smitten way. I mess up because I try to flirt back and move forward from that angle.
It’s an idiot line that I give her, completely devoid of any process or forethought on my part
Danny
By this point in the interaction, it is just me and Angel together by ourselves. I can tell that she’s good at getting guys eating out of her hand and paying attention and investment to her; I can’t game her but sort of go cold with her not letting her get the attention she wants from me (man how the tables have turned with this girl). She asks politely to see my six pack a couple more times.
Remember Danny? Danny enters the gym; I see him randomly and am glad to get to escape from my FU for a little bit.
I figure that I can pass Angel on to Danny and see what he does with her. I introduce Danny to Angel, and then go to get some water, to leave them alone for a tiny bit; I’m curious to see what Danny will do.
Danny’s been with close to a 100 girls.. I remember asking chase about game recognizing game, and chase had told me that guys whose game levels are way above yours will seem to be working magic and a lot of what they are doing, (as far as tactics and techniques) will fly high over your head; this was exactly the case much of what Danny did was over my head and I didn’t understand it (would be happy to hear from anyone who could effectively dissect it).
Angel was interested in Danny, right from the start.. but the most interesting thing of the interaction was what Danny did.
Danny is a more outgoing type of seducer and usually warmer and talkative with girls. He wasn’t with Angel at all; and was completely cold with her. And this caused her to hook hard.
It seemed completely disparate from his usual style, but in the talking he did with Angel he didn’t smile much at all and didn’t talk to her all too much, focusing more on working out. He gave her no direct compliments and acted detached and disinterested in her.
Danny very lightly screened her a couple of times asking:
And
Nothing else…
One other thing he did was he correct her form a bit and show her how to do stuff (not necessarily showing her the ideal form but sort of correcting her and like dominating her in that way I guess?)
Angel was attracted, in the proper way and in the way I would have liked her to be with me. She asked him a lot of screening questions (in the way that an interested girl would typically screen).
This is something else that was completely over my head (could anyone explain this?):
She asks him where he’s from, and he tells her half Colombian, half Salvadorian… Danny tells me a bit later:
he shrugs and smiles
… lol I’m intrigued and baffled at the same time.
A few moments later
Angel is doing her set, when Danny nudges me
Look
He points and shows me: Angel has a tramp stamp!!
it's intricate and colorful and just there peeking out, as if waving hi to us for the first time
Fuck man!! Me and Danny look at each other shit smiling
The three of us walk off later and I let the two of them go together to the sauna while I head home
Danny fills me in the next day on what happens
They go in the sauna and she asks him
And he gets her number
and later loses it …
And he tells me aww man I lost her number, sucks I could’ve fucked her probably huh?
Danny gets in touch with the girl a few weeks later on facebook, and that’s where turns out that she’s a stipper
We look at some risque pics of her together and dude she looks so different with makeup on!! (looks like abella Anderson with makeup on) haha go figure …
I had a few takeaways from this mainly stop flirting and try to follow the process in a gym or social circle environment that I would when cold approaching… and that social circle is weird but maybe I should learn it alongside cold approach.
oh and this was one of the first times in a long time that I met a girl who was higher up on the food chain than me. It felt amusing to be switched into that position (more amusing than bad) and not getting to get that girl’s number... seemed she had a better breakdown of the interaction and of everything going on than I did (never been to a strip club before, but could imagine girls portraying themselves as really easy and vulnerable before consequently devouring needy men and their cash like vultures).
On to the next one
-Gem
For this approach I was a little rusty due to not having cold approach for the three weeks prior to it. I was rusty in that shitty way where you can see and recognize many of the mistakes you’re making but not really do anything about it because they’re the result of lack of practice and not lack of understanding or cognition.
The approach took place at the gym during the day; the gym sort of plays out as a social circle for me because I’m a regular.. And that social circle has a role in this whole interaction. At the gym there are mostly older women during this time of the day (like 10:00 AM or so) and a few older guys that lift and some horny grandpas amongst them who just come to check out the older women. There aren’t many people around my age, but a few that are there who I’m cool with.
People in Social Circle (during this approach)
Baily
Baily’s not the girl of this approach. She’s a girl in the gym social circle who lifts during the day.
One of the cool things about your game improving is the relationships you get to have with women that aren’t getting intimate with; you can have a deeper female friend relationship, much more mutually gratifying and cool than one the average friend-zoned orbiter ever gets the pleasure of experiencing.
Bailey’s the female friend and we have a cool relationship (she’s quite attractive, but older than me, 26, and married with a couple of really cute kids). There’s a light, flirtation between us that you see with female friends that works because you’re not trying to fuck them, and they’re into you because you’re socially tuned to a decent degree.
Alex
Alex is huge; he’s not a natty (natural lifter) either but won’t admit that of course … he’s a few inches shorter than me: 5’7, weighs 200 lbs and has great muscular maturity and looks like a greek god and can out lift me by a ton. It's ironic though because for every bit of ability he has with strength and weights, he lacks in ability with women...
Leo
Leo is Baily’s younger brother, he’s my age (20) and goes to a sister college of mine… he’s the dude in the social circle that goes “hey I saw you talking to that girl damn dude get it!” … which you just have to politely wink and say oh yea cool bro
Danny
Danny plays a big part in this story; Danny is actually not part of this social circle with the other 3 people.. he’s friend with me only, and I tend to lift with him more regularly than the others.
Danny’s a natural, and an experienced natural at that: he’s 3 years older than me, and used to be a stripper for a couple years when he was my age... his lay count is in the 90’s and he’s close to hitting number 100.
I have the friend-mentor relationship with him; we’ll kick it together and lift and work on business, but I try not to ask him anything about game and just learn all I can from him through observation and osmosis.
The Interaction
Angel
So on this fine particular morning, I get done talking to a different girl (nothing significant just bantering with a woman I know). I walk back to the station where my friends are at (the first 3); the station has a pullup bar in the center and cables on either side to work abs or arms or whatever.
Bailey saw me talking to the first girl and says
Bailey to Alex and Leo
Haha .. we talk about random stuff and take turns working on abs for a little while
Angel enters… I’ve never seen this girl before
She’s brunette like 5’6 and has a curvy latina body but not from working out, just from natural good looks (like I can tell that she’s not a regular at the gym).
This next part is funny because Baily tries to play the part of wing-girl to me haha
(it’s a pulldown rope and you hold the rope and you crunch down to work your abs; it’s really easy, obvious and self-doable).
Angel looks me up and down and then comes and says
(keep in mind that I just met this girl and haven’t said anything to her yet).
On first thought this girl is really confident and doesn’t seem shy about meeting a new person at all… she just seems like a generic attractive Hispanic chick, the type you look at and say yea I’d smash (but nothing special; my city is full of them)… hmm I’m interested, my curiosity is piqued and I go to show her how to use the machine.
While I show her the ab workout and she asks me warmly if she’s doing it right, I notice Bailey out of the corner of my eye snickering with her brother and alex from a little ways away to the side
I catch her eye and she smiles and gestures to me like (you gonna hit that huh
)?It’s not really subtle or helpful at all; I laugh but am kind of puzzled about this girl, and not sure what’s up with her… maybe she is experienced? The thought crosses my mind, I haven’t met many experienced girls in the past…..
Bailey gives me and Angel room trying to be a fucking wing girl… lol and she hangs back with the two guys (she’s easily the leader out of the 3 of them).
I try to deepdive Angel but for some reason this doesn’t get far… it’s odd because I notice her checkme out when I go to get water… but she checks me out in the same way that I might check a girl out (subtly and with an air of superiority or abundance)… despite being attracted, I can’t help but feel that something is off about the girl, but can’t put my finger on what that something is.
Angel talks to Bailey for a bit:
Good job bailey ... I facepalm myself in my head… I get done with my set right then and ask her,
.. this girl looks like she could be my age (but then so does bailey and shes 26);
I understand that I’m fucking up because this girl is flirty with me but in an “I’m the prize” way instead of a coy, smitten way. I mess up because I try to flirt back and move forward from that angle.
It’s an idiot line that I give her, completely devoid of any process or forethought on my part
And this goes on for a bit because she keeps asking to see my abs but I don’t let her see them … I autoreject in a sense, not frustrated but just aware that yeah fish swam away, im not getting any further with this one. I see and can break down many of the ways in which I am blowing this right in the moment but can’t correct them then and accept it (and accept that I gotta get out and start approaching more again).
Danny
By this point in the interaction, it is just me and Angel together by ourselves. I can tell that she’s good at getting guys eating out of her hand and paying attention and investment to her; I can’t game her but sort of go cold with her not letting her get the attention she wants from me (man how the tables have turned with this girl). She asks politely to see my six pack a couple more times.
Remember Danny? Danny enters the gym; I see him randomly and am glad to get to escape from my FU for a little bit.
I figure that I can pass Angel on to Danny and see what he does with her. I introduce Danny to Angel, and then go to get some water, to leave them alone for a tiny bit; I’m curious to see what Danny will do.
Danny’s been with close to a 100 girls.. I remember asking chase about game recognizing game, and chase had told me that guys whose game levels are way above yours will seem to be working magic and a lot of what they are doing, (as far as tactics and techniques) will fly high over your head; this was exactly the case much of what Danny did was over my head and I didn’t understand it (would be happy to hear from anyone who could effectively dissect it).
Angel was interested in Danny, right from the start.. but the most interesting thing of the interaction was what Danny did.
Danny is a more outgoing type of seducer and usually warmer and talkative with girls. He wasn’t with Angel at all; and was completely cold with her. And this caused her to hook hard.
It seemed completely disparate from his usual style, but in the talking he did with Angel he didn’t smile much at all and didn’t talk to her all too much, focusing more on working out. He gave her no direct compliments and acted detached and disinterested in her.
Danny very lightly screened her a couple of times asking:
And
Nothing else…
One other thing he did was he correct her form a bit and show her how to do stuff (not necessarily showing her the ideal form but sort of correcting her and like dominating her in that way I guess?)
Angel was attracted, in the proper way and in the way I would have liked her to be with me. She asked him a lot of screening questions (in the way that an interested girl would typically screen).
This is something else that was completely over my head (could anyone explain this?):
She asks him where he’s from, and he tells her half Colombian, half Salvadorian… Danny tells me a bit later:
he shrugs and smiles
I don't know
… lol I’m intrigued and baffled at the same time.
A few moments later
Angel is doing her set, when Danny nudges me
Look
He points and shows me: Angel has a tramp stamp!!
it's intricate and colorful and just there peeking out, as if waving hi to us for the first time
Fuck man!! Me and Danny look at each other shit smiling
The three of us walk off later and I let the two of them go together to the sauna while I head home
Danny fills me in the next day on what happens
They go in the sauna and she asks him
And he gets her number
and later loses it …
And he tells me aww man I lost her number, sucks I could’ve fucked her probably huh?
Danny gets in touch with the girl a few weeks later on facebook, and that’s where turns out that she’s a stipper
We look at some risque pics of her together and dude she looks so different with makeup on!! (looks like abella Anderson with makeup on) haha go figure …
I had a few takeaways from this mainly stop flirting and try to follow the process in a gym or social circle environment that I would when cold approaching… and that social circle is weird but maybe I should learn it alongside cold approach.
oh and this was one of the first times in a long time that I met a girl who was higher up on the food chain than me. It felt amusing to be switched into that position (more amusing than bad) and not getting to get that girl’s number... seemed she had a better breakdown of the interaction and of everything going on than I did (never been to a strip club before, but could imagine girls portraying themselves as really easy and vulnerable before consequently devouring needy men and their cash like vultures).
On to the next one
-Gem
