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archimedes

Space Monkey
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Alright judges and jury.

This transcends dating into the whole realm of male-female relations and personality. Knowledge is useless if it can't be applied. F*** theoretical knowledge but here's some theory

Oh God-- everything I'm about to say applies to dating and specifically my dating life over the years but this is actually about a house.

I have a house for rent and I did some showings and everyone loves it. These two guys came to look first and they were great and then these two women. Both groups also have to speak for to other roommates who weren't present.

Both groups seemed interested but the women there were sweet and vibe really good and loved the place and admired it and complimented me and just were blessing out about the house and garden and every little thing and one of them at the table got my number and messaged me right then and there

I've had a lot of things like this in dating but things rarely close. I don't know what happens there's a breakdown.

The guys messaged first requesting an application but I want her into the women but they're both great and I hate the fact that I'm holding it open for the them and being dishonorable to the guys but I'm also pissed off that this is always how things f****** go down you're always f****** waiting for a woman.

Or it feels like their signals were fake and they know they weren't but that's what it feels like and I hate waiting on s***.

I don't know what's the psychology of this but it drives a man mad.

At the end of the day it's money and I won't see the people that much but just once I want to close on women in this case. It's like they can't make a decision or something or it's like I got false signals but I know that's not the case. Everything's feelings right

I think I've had so many women interested in me romantically but I can't close I don't know what goes on I'm not needy oh and that's another thing

So many women have no agency. That's what it seems like - that's the first principle and other societies understood that. Zero agency or at least initiative.. I always like German women who are clear and neurodivergent women even before I knew what that term was. Looking back I think that's what they were. It's not even that I like them it's that I hate the others who give what feels like false signals. I know I was picking up a real signal but it's like nothing comes of it so it was my whole perception wrong? This attacks my whole sense of reality see. I've had a lifetime of almosts.

Alright here another things that really pisses me off, and I'm not here to be righteous but this is the Crux of my issues in life this is my sticking point this is where the wound is this is where the problem is:

The other thing that pisses me off is an overlay on everything and that's the dating coaching scene and I'm excluding the people here but it has to be said you have to work with the whole person because here's the Crux of it

I don't need a guy in a Blazer telling me to "hold frame" like I'm a character in a video game.

I don't need another cliche along the lines that high value men don't care.

I care.. because I'm alive and present I actually realized today I'm a high torque individual. I move slow and you don't see torque because it's just a thing spinning pretty slow but when it meets a load I can push through it when it meets a real load. Real loads are clarifying. They almost tell me my path but when things are foamy or too easy I don't know what to do. People are either fast, flashy or torque. That's the thought I had today. Other people do more work and harder work but I've been working a nine to five while also taking care of a leak behind some drywall getting that sorted $6,000 all in cuz I had to put this guy up in the hotel with his family cuz he's paranoid about dust and I have to listen to him unload. I'm a load bearer but I get things done and I'm learning to be very professional

I just don't want my sanity f***** with and I love women who take initiative and I'm willing to lead to but there's all these landmines all you said the wrong thing you texted too much and I don't like how everything is become moralized. I used to listen to Alexander Grace online and I listen to him last week. He was talking about being on vacation talking to men and women and he was saying it's hard for a younger guys but the point I'm trying to make is he listed all these things about women then being overweight not wanting family etc even when the conversations were pleasant but he mentioned all these things that could be moral but then he goes on and says oh but all the men they didn't have game. The way he said it was like that's equally immoral or whatever equally a moral question. What the f*** is this s***. Make it an unfortunate situation like he's poor. That's like saying a poor man is immoral kind of even if he's hard working. That's kind of the characterization equivalence he was making. It's the same about a man coming across or being insecure, as if. As f****** if. F*** if the judge you as insecure or whatever the f***. They couldn't walk a mile in my shoes. I'm not just letting off steam I'm making passes over critical issues that are really fundamental. I think there are three types of men are three dimensions imagine have maybe if you're very experienced and amazing you can have all three and maybe some people have none but flash and show and that can bedazzle women and you can have speed and all the words to say and get at leading them but you can have to work where you are like core manly like that character from fountainhead. Where you find load and you just keep going like a tortoise. You don't see that a thing has torque when it's spinning but it's everything in back of it the generator and the transmission that will give it the power to overcome load but in the absence of the right kind of load it does nothing. It doesn't do well with air. I don't do well with air

They were glowing they were blissing out they were so interested verbally I thought they crossed the line of decision they gave me their number and texted me right there and now I don't even get a message back but I can wait. I know it's early but this speaks to male female psychology and the fact that I haven't "solved" this in my 43 years is highly problematic. I need a way to lead. I guess I'm a s***** leader from the point of view of taking a woman who's interested from point A to point B. And this is not even about dating cuz I'm not going to try to date them. It's a gender thing.

I think women move slower than men and the man who has already his cups filled will be more filled. The Matthew effects because he's not going to be worrying and wondering where is the man who doesn't has to be waiting and it's a f****** s***** position and situation and that's why all these moral lies are so bad. There's so much ballast to turn the other cheek and be patient work hard, blah blah blah but at the same time there's truth in them too and you can't throw them out completely. Well it's worth noting and passing that our culture is corrupt utterly corrupt and I've known it for the longest time. It's not traditional it's not classical it's almost anarchist on deep psychological levels because it erases differences that are naturally there and makes noticing things immoral and this has been centuries in the making not mere years and it plays out in our lives and there's so much anxiety but everything, so much phobia about a few specs of dust 😂 there's so much fear and anxiety in our civilization. My thing is I just don't deal well with air and misdirection but I'm learning how to be stronger and professional and learning how to transcend and build a bankroll and maybe become international. The world is so soft and indecisive and the guys responded right away but just once I would like the women who signaled strongly that they were interested to follow through because I think they would be great. They would garden they said and they really made me feel good by how much they admired the place and they weren't just gassing me but this is the exact same stuff that happens in dating. Nobody f****** closes and I don't have enough time to create attachment. Everyone's busy busy busy. funny how I'm busier than anyone and I can make the time but I think I have more mental bandwidth than most people
 

KJ Francis

Cro-Magnon Man
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Their emotions will change like the wind. Forget reactions and focus on results. Compliance.

I'm not clear on your goal. You want to give the girls the lease so you can feel good about your ability to close girls on deals? You are risking the deal with the guys because you are holding out on flaky women?

Or is this just general venting about life, the universe, and everything? Inb4 Skills "Brah."
 
the right date makes getting her back home a piece of cake

RastafariSafar

Rookie
Rookie
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Are you autistic? Rhetorical question, of course you are.

Fuck those women who gives a fuck lmao, the rental is just to generate income isn't it? Get someone in their pronto and focus your energies on something else.
 

Levo

Tribal Elder
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Please do not try and fuck your tenants or use your apartment to get girls. Its only going to end poorly. I think you should rent to men if anything because you won't have all this resentment for them

As for the rest of the post. The absolute worst thing when you are trying to coach someone is someone who is far enough along in the process to know that they need help, but not far enough to admit that what they are doing is incorrect and are actually willing to change their thought patterns and behaviors. Whats the point of coming to places like this is youre just going to reject the advice and write huge posts about your own theories.

I think you need to take a massive step backwards and read up on evolutionary biology. A lot of this stuff doesnt really make sense until understand women. Trust that billions of years of evolution hasn't produced a situation where half the population is just fucking stupid. Theyre different and distinct and have their own programming that is separate from males'.

Your job is to understand it and do everything you can to maximize your ability to work within the system. You cannot and will not change the system. The sooner you realize that fact the sooner you can begin your journey. Getting bitter and jaded that the system is unfair does nothing to help anyone, if anything it just makes you even more unattractive. Getting angry and ranty just makes you the male equivalent of a fat ugly girl not working our or putting on makeup but instead listening to Lizzo and ranting on tumblr about how fat is beautiful, fuck men.
 

theReason

Space Monkey
space monkey
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Yeah, women have no agency and they’re out getting fucked by the waves of time and the world by any metric that you or I live by.

But no need to pity them, because their whole world is just about fucking. As long as you’re fucking too, the system is in homeostasis. Understand?

It is like you are pitying a barnacle on the bottom of the boat while you are on a cruise ship. You are afraid the barnacle will drown. It will not drown—in fact, if it was forced to breathe air it would die.
 
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