Mentors + advice that contradicts GC

[determined]

Yesterday I was closing in on a girl I wanted to approach when some other guy beat me to it. So I waited for them to finish then went to meet him. This guy is living the dream: he's 24, living in San Francisco, and is the man I'm working to become. He doesn't go out specifically to game anymore, but just approaches girls as he runs into them in his day to day life. He has all the abundance he needs.

He was nice enough to watch me approach twice and critique me, then to demonstrate his own approach. Things he taught me:

• Believe you're the shit. Check.
• When approaching a girl who's walking, do it from the side and cut her off. No pre-opening touch. Until now I would come in from behind, so girls would either be startled by my touch, or if I didn't touch them they wouldn't pay attention to me.
• Be a happy, high energy person. How does that gel with the advice on GC to smile less and be low energy?
• Also, I didn't catch most of the conversation between him and the first girl, but I did pick up that he did most of the talking, and it was about himself. They scheduled a date for Monday. What's up?
• One other thing I changed today was approaching with a bigger smile.

I invited him to hang out again, but he declined. Understandable, I have nothing to offer him and would just pester him for advice. After spending just that little bit of time with him my success rates improved immediately. Good day. Where do I meet more guys like this?

 

[trashKENNUT]

determined,

He was nice enough to watch me approach twice and critique me, then to demonstrate his own approach. Things he taught me:
Believe you're the shit. Check.
When approaching a girl who's walking, do it from the side and cut her off. No pre-opening touch. Until now I would come in from behind, so girls would either be startled by my touch, or if I didn't touch them they wouldn't pay attention to me.
Be a happy, high energy person. How does that gel with the advice on GC to smile less and be low energy?
Also, I didn't catch most of the conversation between him and the first girl, but I did pick up that he did most of the talking, and it was about himself. They scheduled a date for Monday. What's up?
One other thing I changed today was approaching with a bigger smile.

1) Believe you're the shit

Yea, i think it's good to be confident, but i think building self esteem with successes from various source of your life can help maintain that. My thoughts. Chase also has an article, "Does Confidence = Success, No"

2) Touching

Don't approach girls from behind, it scares them, and when you low on energy, that makes you creepy somewhat.

3) Be a Happy, high energy person.

It's easy to caught up on other guys momentum when girls are open by high energy. It is true that at times, high energy is great, depends on environment.

4) Approaching a big smile

I don't know if he meant this by being genuine, because a bigger smile often indicates a genuine smile.

Zac

 

[Chase]

Determined-

I think Zac already touched on everything else, but a brief note on this one -

Also, I didn't catch most of the conversation between him and the first girl, but I did pick up that he did most of the talking, and it was about himself. They scheduled a date for Monday. What's up?

You CAN run this style of game, and I've known a number of guys who do it. It requires having a lot you can brag about in a not-too-showy way, but you very often end up competing for the boyfriend role by doing this... these guys tend to get girls to come out on dates, and the girls are EXCITED, but they're excited in a "I met this really cool guy who's got it all going on and I think he might be my dream boyfriend" sort of way, and it generally takes the guy a few dates to get it, often with him having to lie a bit and set some unrealistic expectations (e.g., she thinks they're on the road to boyfriend-girlfriend-dom, and then she just doesn't hear from him again after sex).

The only really effective way I've seen of doing most of the talking and getting girls quickly in bed: when you're the guy who makes constant cutting and insightfully witty remarks, often about the girl, busting her stones in a very cold reading-esque way that also chase frames her and seeds a lot of sexual frames. This guys is a talker who is good at talking women into bed, because the girl feels like the guy sees right through her (since he's constantly critiquing her in a funny, sexual way), and she's laughing her head off while becoming increasingly turned on at the same time.

However, this one doesn't work across the board, and you've got to know when to pull out your "biting sexual humor" mode, and when to shelve it and just lean back and let the girl chase after you.

On where to meet guys who are approaching: keep your eyes peeled, go out a lot, and go out where people are approaching. The best guys don't look flashy though... they'll often seem not to be doing much, and then suddenly they're gone with some new girl they've just met. If you want to really meet the top echelon guys, you usually can't start out looking for flashy results, because those are the mid-tier guys... instead, you've just got to look for REALLY cool, super confident guys who are chilling and having a good time, then go get to know them (buy them a drink perhaps), and talk about girls a bit at some point and try to gauge how sharp they seem on the topic. If they seem worth getting to know, keep hanging out with them, and try to get a feel for what their game is like and how often you see them pick up, and you'll soon have a fairly decent read on how much they have to teach you.

Chase

 

[Nova]

The way I see it is there are many ways you CAN get girls. You really can make a girl want you by being an attention seeking clown, there will be that one girl out of a hundred that digs you for whatever reason. You can get a girl being 90% silent and giving off a moody demeanor, there will be a girl who finds it sexy.

For me its all about putting everything together to develop a style and 'game', if you like, that is most effective in general around women, whilst making allowances and taking note when you are talking to a girl who would like you to spin it a little this way or a little that way.

The best seducers or whatever you want to call them think on the spot and alter their game slightly on the fly in one way or the other but always have that main game they run which remains the most efficient way of yielding results in most situations.

Which is why GC is so great. It really does teach generic, straight to the point, efficient methods which will most likely present you with concrete results if executed correctly. and these generic methods are universal.

Sexy fundamentals
Efficient connection building conversations
Moving things fast
Handling logistics
Body language
Vibe
Sexuality

The perfect package 99.9 percent of the time.