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Moving to daygame & leaving online behind, but got hardcore AA - how to fix?

Therasen

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Hi all,

I've been doing online dating consistently for years. Just hit 70 lays with it, but I have always found the quality of girls I can pull on there is pretty lacklustre overall, with a few hot ones sprinkled in (most of whom rejected me).

I have tried to start doing daygame, just to be able to finally get hotter girls that I've always dreamed about banging, rather than the average or mentally ill girls I meet online, but find I have immense approach anxiety when I'm out on the streets on my own, even after getting a coaching session.

Are there any foolproof ways to get over AA and get those first approaches in? Before you say 'just do it' - I can't. I've tried 'throwing myself in' but I just can't seem to make my feet move to get in front of the girl - I get gripped by fear & embarrassment. I can ask for directions / open very indirect, but I found that even after asking 5-6 girls for directions, the AA still hasn't shifted enough to allow me to feel comfortable doing a full direct approach (front-stop in the London daygame model).

Any advice would be appreciated, thanks.
 

HumanWhoLearns

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I think the number 1 issue why guys have approach anxiety is fear of rejection. This site has some good articles under the "Mindset" tab that will help you out.

For me, I just got tired of holding myself back and beating myself up over not approaching. I realized I'm never going to get the kind of life I want without making changes. The pain of rejection gets weaker and weaker the more often you go out and approach. Most of the time it's not even you that they are rejecting ... it's your fundamentals or game.

Just start approaching directly and hit em with a compliment or something that shows interest. Then you learn what you did wrong and go back out there. Rinse and repeat.
 

West_Indian_Archie

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Are there any foolproof ways to get over AA and get those first approaches in?

Not really. The skillset is all about repetition.

Some issues
  • Nerdy - A lot of guys coming into pick up were like me, coming from a STEM nerdy background.
  • Bored with small talk - A lot of guys coming into pick up don't start conversations, don't start meaningless conversations
  • Quiet/Passive/Shy - Some guys like to stay quiet and not conflict
  • Argumentative/Know it All - Other guys like to start shit or inflict damage/win over positions.
  • Fear to Start - Fear of starting a chat with total strangers.
  • Fear of having enough to say/running out of things to say with strangers
  • No experience with strangers
  • No experience with girls
  • Afraid of their own sexuality - They can't under any circumstance show the girl that they are sexually interested in them
  • Needing to have everything planned
  • Afraid of improvisation
  • Unskilled at improvisation
  • Poor Self Image - no one wants to listen to me. I'm too short, tall, skinny, fat, ginger, bald, black, old, young, short dick, bad teeth, caved in chest, random medical thing.
  • Worst Fears Projection - Guys think she'll shoot him down before he says a word
This is the type of the iceberg in terms of excuses guys make. This down talk goes WELL BEYOND PICK UP. This extends to socialization, working out, trying new things, living life, etc.

This fear of AA even goes into
  • Cold DM's
  • Warm DM's
  • Online Dating
  • Reapproaching the game girl the same night
  • Reapproaching different night (maybe you failed, maybe you banged but it got weird)
  • Flirting
  • Getting Sexual
  • Putting your hands on a girl
  • Dancing with a girl
  • First Kiss
  • Asking her to leave with you
  • Asking her to leave her friends for you
  • First Heavy Petting
  • Sex
  • Asking for something during sex that you want
  • establishing boundaries
  • Correcting a girl
  • having tough discussions
  • breaking up with a girl
  • cheating on a girl/Juggling girls
  • etc

This "fear"/approach anxiety thing is the main hurdle in the early part of your career.

What doesn't work
  • Bitching about it on forums/Reddit
  • Working out more/losing more weight/getting more muscle
  • Making more money
  • Reading more theory
  • Praying and Hoping that one day that you'll get it
What works in the moment but is unreliable
  • Alcohol
  • Drugs
  • Waiting for your song to come on (that's a personal one)
  • Leaning on your environment
  • Peer Pressure/Going out with buddies
  • 3 Days of Professional Coaching - Most guys are not "fixed" after an epic weekend with a coach. They really need to spend a lot of time (1 month, go out every night) to really learn from a coach. It's like going to a personal trainer once and then putting 450 lbs on the squat bar.
Actually Getting over this stuff/fixes
  • 3 second rule - You see the girl, 3 seconds to approach
  • Sacrificing the lamb - try to get blown out HARSHLY the first approach (RSD Julien)
  • Warm Ups - MM - talk to everyone and get the tongue loose
  • Short Set Method - Talk to a lot of groups of people with no agenda (Tyler made this popular, don't know if this is "his" invention)
  • "Fuck it" - anytime you face anything, you tell yourself, "Fuck It", I'm doing this shit.
  • Give your bro 20 bucks or some amount of money that will feel painful to lose if you don't approach
  • Do 3 approaches before the day is over, or you can't do X
  • Scientific Frame of Mind - what happens if....
  • Getting Therapy - this is the hardest way, but it's probably the thing that will be the most impactful in a "short" time. Most of the gurus switch to personal development because when they get to the end of the journey, after teaching other men, the realize a lot of the issues guys have are internal. And unless the internal stuff is handled, it's hard for MOST guys to do the things they actually want to do. That said, plenty of emotional trainwreck guys just have enough courage to get laid (which describes most gurus at the beginning, if you ask me)
Ultimately it comes with time under pressure. If you're trying to put your P into her V, it will always be about dealing with the girl face to face. The more you do it, the less your stress hormones go up. The more reference experiences you have. It gets easier.

But unless you make this your profession, AA will never entirely leave. But for most guys, back in the day at least, it would take a few weeks of going out to greatly reduce it. The traditional 100 approaches/1,000 approaches over 3 months is basically meant to kill this once and forever so that you can actually apply some of the practices that are advocated. And online approaches don't count. And Hi and Bye might work for the first 10, but you want to move the bar up a notch after every 10-20 approaches.

I can't remember the last time I was crippled by AA, but for me to get in the groove, I probably have to bungle a few to snap back into "go" mode.

WIA
 

ElderPrice

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WIA wins the thread like always, because all he does is post gold.

I have one minor trick that I can add that works for me: Open with a genuine compliment. Genuine meaning, you're not saying it because it's Step 1 in your agenda to fuck her. You're saying it because you're just sharing a fact, and it'll make another person's day a little better. In other words, you're speaking to them to give them something for free, not to get something from them.
 

Rain

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Did you end up making any progress with AA?
 
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