A couple times now I've gotten bold IOI from muslim girls in hijab and modest clothing. These are college girls in an environment where other women are in their "ho phase". Given their obvious religious affiliation I assumed that it was not worth the effort since I sure as hell won't be marrying them. Now I'm thinking that this might be bad assumption. What have been your experiences? Advice on how to navigate this?
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I lost my virginity to a Muslim girl who wore the hijab (she took it off during the act, no Mia Khalifa shit)
We hooked up a couple more times until I flew to college.
I have a pending lay report to write on a Muslim girl I pulled last week from campus.
Too much work at the moment, will write it when I have more time.
The environment she's in + how much of a risk you are socially are the major determinants of whether you'll get together with her or not.
The only exceptions are the hardcore Muslim girls who know the religion in and out and won't budge on the no sex before marriage thing. I don't have experience there unfortunately.
But with them, you'd have to also work on breaking that frame
We hooked up a couple more times until I flew to college.
I have a pending lay report to write on a Muslim girl I pulled last week from campus.
Too much work at the moment, will write it when I have more time.
The environment she's in + how much of a risk you are socially are the major determinants of whether you'll get together with her or not.
The only exceptions are the hardcore Muslim girls who know the religion in and out and won't budge on the no sex before marriage thing. I don't have experience there unfortunately.
But with them, you'd have to also work on breaking that frame
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What demographics of Muslim is she is?
Turkey Muslim (more liberal) or Indonesia Muslim (more conservative) or Dubai Muslim (conservative) or
Kuala Lumpur Muslim (liberal)
Malaysia Muslim (conservative)
Singapore muslim (liberal)
TLDR: As long as the Westerners believe that they can win, we will let them. What i meant is that she will sell you that she is traditional when she is liberal, and she will sell you that she is liberal when she is actually more conservative.
Muslim women has to keep the facade.
Sidenote: Just like everyone right now is avoiding to pay online taxes for as long as possible, Muslim woman are doing the same thing. It's not their fault. Just victims of society current climate.
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I had a period where I was jokingly called a Mujahedin (by a Muslim friend) because I was shagging muslim a lot of muslim girls. They are very good in bed and they follow some good muslim principles like showering before sex. Basically if a muslim girl asks if she can shower, it means "I want to bang" (with 100% accuracy) - apparently in the Hadith or the Quran it says you got to shower before sex - not a bad thing honestly.
They tend to care a lot about public perception. The idea is simply to isolate and not make anything public and it is no big deal. I would pick a muslim girl in hijab over a christian "praise de Lord" type of girl any day. Islam is not anti-sex per.se.
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this is a pickup website, that's clear. and i knew since the beginning that humans can preach ethics all they want, what they do is another matter altogether.
The thing that is glaring, is the misinterpretation of culture as religion.
But people gotta do what they gotta do.
@Teevster , i'm confident that you do not know it because you just don't know. I'm requesting that you be mindful of the interpretation. Because culture and religion are 2 completely different things.
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Updated: You just don't know what you don't know.
The 'because you just don't know' looks awful
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I think it is called Ghusl.
So that's a religious thing, but prove me otherwise. You say I am wrong, so please enlighten me.
But I am not going to act like I am a scholar in Islam. I only had "practical" experience with it.
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I know that teevester may be off, i also agree with you a bit of causation correlation, most women wash or take showers before sex in general, but brah no need for passive aggressiveness to make the point...
Ghusl (Arabic: غسل ġusl, IPA: [ˈɣʊsl]) is an Arabic term to the full-body ritual purification mandatory before the performance of various rituals and prayers, for any adult Muslim after sexual intercourse (i.e. it is mustahabb) before Friday prayer[1] and prayers for Islamic holidays,[2] before entering the ihram in preparation for Hajj, after having lost consciousness, and after formally converting. Sunni Muslims also perform the ablution before Salat al-Tawba "Prayer of Repentance".
Ghusl is often translated as "full ablution", as opposed to the "partial ablution" or wudu وضوء that Muslims perform after lesser impurities such as urination, defecation, flatulence, deep sleep, and light bleeding (depending on the madhhab).
Ghusl is a ritual bath.[3]: 471
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i was abit cautious and i did came off looking like 'passive aggressive'. thus i updated with "you just don't know what you don't know".
because the paragraph looks awful, which is not my intention.
i am concerned, which i put later below.
This is practice and culture but sex outside of marriage is a big no in in Islam.
It's a hard line. It's just No. There's no in-between.
Just like that there's no 'LGBTQ Islam', which is now creeping into Asia and people pick up pieces of the Quran where you nitpick/cherrypick, just to support the whole movement
I know that Teev doing it is not malicious but
A big NO. Sex is a major sin. It's like really taboo still, even in Western influenced countries like Singapore and Kuala Lumpur are living in 2 different worlds with their more conservative states.
but because sex is so available everywhere, the implied idea is as long as it is out of sight or "don't come home with a pregnant belly" - Asian parents.
This is the culture part. In Islam, it's just No. There's no in between. Sex is just No.
Even in United States, Canada, India, the guys are going crazy (which i hope to write more about this in 2024. the cognitive dissonance is crazy)
Anyway TLDR:
I responded to the whole topic because there's the challenge of demographic of muslims that PUAs are picking up, whether they lean more liberal or more conservative, then there's the cultural part of it, the practices
and then there's the belief. Sex is just a No.
I recommend the guys to be a little careful of sleeping with muslims females more than the Christian females because Western societies are just acclimated to sex now that while it is in actual form, a No, the public at large just do not know it and since they don't know it, culturally and legally they do not enforce it to such a large degree.
Because it's not so much her, because she's going to do what she's gonna do, and every girl is different. It's her community that's the issue here. If she's not too liberal, i just recommend you do not hit, unless you are a foreigner. i mean it is what it is, right?
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In any religious community there are girls who will break the rules about sex.
Whether you want to do something about that is completely up to you.
In my personal opinion messing around with girls who are active in conservative religious communities (except Catholic and stuff) is more trouble than it’s worth unless she’s really clearly putting herself out there. It also doesn’t scale up well in terms of ethics, theoretically speaking.
But hey, you’re free to do your own thing. Myself, despite ^^, I’d love to have sex with one girl from each denomination sometime, mainly from curiosity/taboo chasing. Especially Mormons lol.
Whether you want to do something about that is completely up to you.
In my personal opinion messing around with girls who are active in conservative religious communities (except Catholic and stuff) is more trouble than it’s worth unless she’s really clearly putting herself out there. It also doesn’t scale up well in terms of ethics, theoretically speaking.
But hey, you’re free to do your own thing. Myself, despite ^^, I’d love to have sex with one girl from each denomination sometime, mainly from curiosity/taboo chasing. Especially Mormons lol.
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Yeah, I mixed it up with Wudu. I am no Qu Ran Scholar. Just learned from muslim girls.
When did semantics matter more than field experience? Or in this case, theological knowledge?
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By ethics I mean undermining group/community/societal cohesion and potentially helping her become someone who…doesn’t help foster that.
Well yes and no, see above…
Btw my mindset is that I don’t think there’s anything inherently bad about a society exerting sexual control/discipline over its members, so long as there isn’t a clear double standard. It does have its benefits. For example, there does seem to be an inverse correlation between sociosexuality and productivity…look at the socioeconomic history of America for starters.
In any case, people have free choice…but I’m not going to encourage people to demystify sexuality to girls who are planning on staying inside their communities (versus straining-at-the-leash). I want my sisters to be virgins at marriage just like my mom was…lol.
And about the typical answer “she’d do it anyway”…I don’t know how far it really applies to daytime cold approach situations if women are off their scripts.
One of the hottest girls I know is super Catholic lol. She radiates “sexual” energy in a very spiritual way. I’m not sure what’s going on.
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Agreed, one of the reasons I am actually glad pua is not that widespread. It can create damage among the populace. Personally I have let a LOT of women go, knowing I would damage them. Also girls who are in stable relationships and who are happy I tend to not mess with them..
This goes out of the window when these girls put themselves in my orbit one way or the other, because then I know that everyone is on board.
"The world is saved one person at a time. Everything else is either foolish romanticism or politics." - Bukowski
I don't two farts about social cohesion. Maybe I'm helping liberate a woman from oppression? Maybe she just has a fantasy about banging a handsome white guy before settling into that arranged marriage?
Women have agency, and are capable of guiding there own lives.
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You are right that was my point when I call him passive aggressive, but my nitpick is most women take showers prior to sex.... Though no all like 50 percent... If all your Muslim girls took showers maybe just coincidence.
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But surely you care about the way she ultimately feels about your interaction, when all is said and done.
When you seduce a woman you are tapping into deep aspects of her psychology. If she comes from a certain cultural/social background that is at odds with unfettered sexual expressions, your seduction and her sense of identity will be butting up against that influence. This has the
potential to create a lot of dissonance for her.
Sure ultimately it is up to her to make these decisions for her self, and wrestle with the meaning of it all in her life. What she chooses for herself is not your responsibility. But seduction is a powerful skill set and it is important to understand that people can be seduced into things that ultimately would not want for themselves. Humans are weird like that.
Sex is a collaborative endeavor and when you are collaborating with her you are also collaborating with the psychological frame work she has for processing her experiences. Sure you can only do so much to anticipate her inner reality, but you can also keep this in mind when deciding what steps to take in a seduction and how far to take it in the first place. You can also do your best to set the right frames for the situation so that she has a sort of landing strip when all is said and done. After care is an underrated aspect of the sexual experience.
To be clear, I am not claiming to be a saint. I have done some foolish ass things. For real. That is precisely why I feel strongly about the importance of making sure that everyone walks away from the collaboration feeling a reinforced sense of the uplifting qualities of human intimacy, and not something that creates this harsh dissonance that sits in your side like a jagged thorn.
This is why I have turned away girls who had boyfriends they really seemed to love, or girls who had just even slightly too much alcohol, or girls that were clearly struggling with mental issues at the moment, or girls who just can't seem to get past the religious dogma of their upbringing. Haven't regretted turning them away one bit.
Shit man, it's even worked in my favor before. Turned down a girl with a boyfriend she was really into. We were making out and I was fingering her and she just couldn't feel right about letting go. I literally walked her through how to avoid these situations in the future so that she could be loyal to her man. You know what she did? Set me up with her cute friend who gave me a nice long blowjob.
But any way, don't mean to derail the thread here.
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Most Scandinavian women DON'T.
French women? Hit-or-Miss.
Arabic women (most muslim lol) always shower - I shagged only one Christian Arab though - she did not shower.
I also had sex with a Malaysian Muslim, and a Somali girl. Both showered.
I am not claiming my observation to be scientific, but mere personal experiences and observation, just like the rest of my pick up and seduction observations.
If ZacAdan at @trashKENNUT does not like us making observations, or feels offended about observations regarding religion (socio-economic factor), women and sex, then he should reconsider his stay here. This place is about discussing these topics. don't like it? leave.
I will be categorical about this: I will under no circumstances self-sensor myself when it comes to making observations about women and sex on this forum, even if religion plays in as a socio-economic factor. I will not stop talking about my experiences with Muslim women because someone is Muslim and feel offended about it. They can feel offended elsewhere. This place is not for them.
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Hmm, interesting. Not offended one bit about anything that is practice, cultural.
The original intent is that the perception or idea that she has good muslim practice before having sex. The whole premise of it is just wrong. It's ridiculous. It's like me, Zac, paying a prostitute and write here that it is a lay report because i talk to her on the street prior to sex.
I'm just warning about mistaking culture and practice, as religion. That's all.
The original intent is that the perception or idea that she has good muslim practice before having sex. The whole premise of it is just wrong. It's ridiculous. It's like me, Zac, paying a prostitute and write here that it is a lay report because i talk to her on the street prior to sex.
I'm just warning about mistaking culture and practice, as religion. That's all.