My findings of an average girls dating options :'O

[Mr.Rob]

I guess this isn't too off topic but I didn't want to post it under general as it wasn't a question.

I spent some time recently with an childhood friend of mine, a girl who has a high partner count (actually keeps a diary with the full name , and short bio of every guy she's had sex with and a "V" mark next to those who's virginities she took lol) and is a seasoned veteran in the female pimp game.

We usually bump into one another once a year and take a couple days to catch up and enjoy one anothers presence. This year we got to talking extensively on dating and the theory we each use.

I was mostly picking her brains on what she thinks of the guys she's seeing and men in general and was quite surprised by a bit of our conversation.

I found some subtly shocking findings about the general man she's seeing/getting chased by and it gave me hope for myself but really almost depressed me a bit about the direction our culture is headed (decline of red blooded MEN).

She's not super hot, probably a 5-6 in looks (though quite charismatic and dominant), but at any given time she has around 10 guys chasing her and open as options.

She divides these 10 guys up into "teams" and are judged by their sexiness and masculinity. She has the "A-Team", "B-Team", and "C-Team" along with general chodes that don't get to fuck her but remain orbiters.

During my visit at her house a "B-Team" dude called her, proposed a date for the 11th time in the course of a month or two, she rejected him by brushing him off with some lame excuse, and he basically began to cry whilst on the phone like a bitch. She informs me this guy is super persistent.

The chode calls again despite his initial rejection and feebly proposes another plan to get her out with him for a booty call. I watch amazed as she gives in and while setting up logistics this guy has ZERO leadership skills whatsoever and my friend has to make all the logistical decisions and take care of his emotions (he wanted her to ride with him in the car because he gets lonely).

I then inquire as to why she gave in and rewarded his chode feminine behavior with probable sex. Surely he must be amazing in bed if that's the case?

No he's bad in bed and she has to do all the work. He talks about stupid bullshit after sex with zero calibration to her emotions and the moment. She didn't even want to go fuck him.

Her rationalization to her decision = She wanted to keep having him chase her so if she gets drunk on a night and needs to fuck someone she has a high abundance of options to choose from to get fucked by!

I then inquired on her other booty calls and the sex life she has and I was sorry to hear that it is extremely poor and the guys she has sex with are CHODE as can be and drip with femininity, lacking complete dominance.

She is used to getting her way with men and having them bend to her every will and desire. She's quite controlling and during our visit she tried numerous times to get me to bend to her will and do little stupid shit that she wanted me to do. I of course slapped her bullshit back down immediately and she was AMAZED as I'm the first guy to have not taken her bullshit in a long time.

I guess what I'm getting at here is that from all this there is good news and bad news:

Good news: It's not too hard to stand out and break out of average chodeness that most guys live in. Thus, the competition is fairly low to be an extraordinary man.

Bad news: We have a serious masculinity issue in America these days. When it's common for men to get putz shamed and twisted around by the opposite sex and none of these men have any sort of purpose, direction, or personal boundaries then you know the direction of our culture in general has gotten soft and will be prone to disruption/decay as a result of not having a backbone.

This is just the observations I've made from one girl and I'm about to move to Orlando and meet tons of people so hopefully I will find more evidence and reference points to show that not all of male culture in America is weak and pathetic.

What has been yall's experience and finding of the typical men that your female friends or FWB date and deal with? I'd love to hear.

 

[fsc]

Hey Rob, thanks for the read. I was feeling like a little bitch today, but this really pumped me up. I'm a very competitive guy, so knowing that my competition is weak fires me up.

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My best friend is about an 8 in the cute/pretty scale. She's not the type you'd call sexy or hot--she has never even wore make up before. She has B-cup breasts, but her ass is fantastic along with the rest of her body. She's quite introverted unless you know her really well, and I think she has slept with only about 5 guys in total, including me. The list below is chronological.

"R" was pretty feminine. My BFF was in a relationship with him, and she complained about his lack of masculinity at least once a month. He liked resting his head on her shoulders EVEN IN BED...she hated it. I think he also cried during a typical argument between couples, but I can't remember. He cut relations with his best friend because my BFF kissed him. They broke up afterwards or something like that.

"M" had good fundamentals, but he didn't know how to gauge interest levels and was like a pushy, rookie salesman who tried to stick to his agenda/plan instead of adjusting his tactics based on the customer. His texts were almost always like:
Him: Start off with neutral-ish pinging text like "how's it going?" that ended with "babe" or "sexy"
Her: Neutral response
Him: Some indicator of interest like "I was doing this today and it reminded me of you"
Her: Neutral response (usually "hahahaha" and that's it--the length of the "haha"s depended on the level of humor/wit in his text)
Him: Flirty shit and/or try to chat her up (even when he tried to chat her up, he usually ended up talking about himself and his life--which wasn't interesting at all)
Her: Neutral response to his flirty shit, relatively short answers to his questions
Him: Tries to ask her out or invite her over
Her: Politely declines
This repeated for a couple of weeks. At that point in time, she was too nice to even ignore his messages, so she brought me to the farmer's market where he worked, and we walked by his booth while being playful and laughing together. He stopped afterwards. LOLs

"T" is her former boss. Completely clueless with absolutely horrible fundamentals. He still sends her go-nowhere texts even after she rejected his date proposal over a year ago. His latest one was something like "Merry Christmas! I hope you enjoyed your holiday! You don't have to reply to this text. I understand if you're still angry with me". So much cringe...

"D" and her went out 4 or 5 times, so I guess he had a decent appearance. He drove a badass truck, apparently. She was really excited for the first 2 dates, but every date ended up being the same: they would eat somewhere, and they would talk...that was it. He gave her an awkward goodbye hug after the first or second date, and that was the most he ever escalated. When they talked, he only talked about himself and always talked about soccer. Even after 4 or 5 dates, he barely knew anything about her while my BFF became proficient in soccer. Even on date #3, she was super annoyed with him and I'd tease her with shit like "So...do you think he'll finally pop the question? You know, ask you what your name is?" She stopped going out with him, but he still sent her go-nowhere texts for a long time afterwards, usually shit about his life and soccer. During the World Cup, he pretty much sent her a text every day about that day's games.

She had a crush in her chemistry class on some "white chem guy". She tried numerous ways to subtly indicate her interest throughout the semester, and he finally got it after a few weeks, but he didn't have the balls to do anything. I think he walked her to her car once or something.

In the same class was an "Asian chem guy". He got her number and sent her a fairly lengthy and well-thought-out-but-still-very-lame text trying to ask her out, but I told her to ignore it or politely decline...I didn't know he was in her class. I guess she didn't think twice about social consequences because the next day she was pissed at me because the Asian chem guy was acting cold in person, then he sent her an angry text about how he's mad that she ignored his text. He spent the next few weeks sitting on the other side of the room then eventually dropped the course. LOLOL

"J" was her coworker. He took forever to ask her out, even though everyone at work knew they had a crush on each other. No one knew that after work, my BFF would tell me cutesy stuff about him and complain about how he still hasn't asked her out, then I'd fuck her in the ass. They finally started going out, and I stopped banging her. A few months later, her and I met up to chill and catch up. She wore a super sexy tight dress and I was hella thrown off. Although "J" was great, she was growing impatient again because he still hasn't escalated things with her after numerous dates. I drove her to a deserted industrial area afterwards and acted out both of our sexual fantasies in the backseat of my car. They're together now and we've stopped banging, again. They're pretty cute together and I like him, although I wish he'd be more of a man and at least return my eye contact. Their sex life was terrible, but he's working to please her. I think he'll treat her well.

Some other chaser texted her today saying he needs her "help" on something...lol. Currently waiting to see how he plays that one out.

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Another friend of mine is about an 8 in the cute/pretty scale as well, although much less athletic. She has great boobs though. She's also more extroverted and socially skilled, and she's one of those girls who goes on dates for the free food, then fucks the guy depending on her mood. I met her at one of my frat's parties earlier this year, did what GC taught me, and she actually ended up initiating the intercourse. Unfortunately, her cousin cockblocked while I was fingering her, but we met up again a few days later =]

"Donut guy" took her to eat donuts then strolled along the beach a couple of times. I think he was in his late twenties, didn't have his life together, and he was a downer--because he talked mostly about himself and he didn't have his shit together. I think he also broke down once and cried, either during the date or over the phone.

Totally different story with a "mid-20s investment banker". He drove her in his Audi, took her to a super fancy dinner, and paid for everything. He talked mostly about himself and how he handled multi-million dollar this and that. At the end of the date, he tried to make out with her, but she pushed him away because all of his boasting turned her off.

When she went to New York a few weeks ago, she met a guy at a bar who tried to appeal to her emotions by talking about his job as a special ed teacher. She saw through his game as she told me, "Yeah, he was telling me some shit like 'OMG I love my job because at the end of the day, I know I'm helping these kids' lives, and whenever they smile at me, I know I'm doing my job right and it warms my heart' or some shit like that...I wasn't even listening to his shit half of the time because I was kinda fucked up and I was just like 'oh please' in my head (while rolling her eyes)...He was still good-looking though. So I slept with him. He texted and tried to call me a few times the next day, but I just ignored it. Oh welp, I'm back in LA now"

There was a guy in her social circle who was interested in her (all the guys in there seem to be stuck in their high school years for some reason). He confessed his feelings to some mutual friends in the circle because he couldn't muster up the courage to tell her directly, and tried to get them to help set something up between him and her. One evening her circle invited her out for snacks. Knowing what was up, she brought me along and I gave everyone strong eye contact and dominant body language...especially toward the dude. He had poor fundamentals--his posture was the worst, and he wore an over-sized green polo shirt with over-sized brown cargo shorts with dirty gray sneakers. He sat quietly for the entire hour or so, looking at his shoes or trying to laugh at his friends' jokes. Kinda sad, but whatever. She drove me around and bought me snacks.

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"A" was my ex's orbiter who had been courting her for some time. Then I stepped in and bedded her on our second date. The entire time I was in a semi-relationship with her, he never stopped courting her despite knowing that she was in my bed cumming over and over again week after week. He drove her around for me, took her to places for me, bought her gifts and sweets for me, and even helped her homework for me. I was cool with it because she would talk shit about him and how he has no "backbone". He broke down at least twice (that I know of), and he even wrote her a letter saying that he didn't want to see her anymore because he couldn't "take it"...lol. I broke up with her because she was waaay too freaking emotional for me. About 6 months after the breakup, as I was walking home after buying myself some hot coffee in the cold winter night, I saw "A" and my ex walking toward me, huddled together in a blanket. I was like "LOLOL YAAAY! The Disney-fairy-tale-good-guy won after all!" Good thing I was still doing the sexy/dominant walk at 3am. I also gave both of them strong eye contact and greeted them with a "hey" like a normal human being (in my deep, calm voice). My ex looked at me like "who is this guy?" because I hella improved my fundamentals since I broke up with her (she didn't take her eyes off of me), and "A" kept walking with his eyes on the ground. A few months ago, I asked her how she was doing with "A". Apparently they broke up because she couldn't handle his emotions. Now, I was a super freaking patient guy with her when we were together, and I broke up with her because I couldn't deal with her emotions. So how emotional did this guy have to be to cause her to break up with him?

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There's a non-frat brother "K" who lives in my frat house. He raises guinea pigs to make up for his terrible fundamentals and terrible game. I never liked the guy ever since he tried to heckle me last year (I was talking to some girls at a party when he interjected himself into our circle and just stood there mumbling "yeah", "hahaha", "that's cool". Literally, that's what he did--no introduction or anything). Here's a little more backstory, but kinda necessary: In October, I found grass and guinea pig shit in the washing machine, so I made "K" come down to the basement and clean it out as I stood next to him staring at him the whole time. A few weeks ago, I see grass in the washing machine again even though others have told him not to wash the guinea pig blanket in the washer as well. I caught him outside, and I tried to tell him that I'd throw the blanket away if I saw it in the machines again, but he walked away from me with a "yeah, yeah, I got it" attitude (submissively though--ever since I tried to fuck his gf, he doesn't have the balls to look me in the eye and he mumbles to the ground when he talks to me). I was fucking pissed. After calming my emotions down for a few seconds, I went to his room and opened the door without knocking. "K" and his gf were sitting on their couch, petting their guinea pigs.

I spoke slowly, calmly, with a deep tone, and I looked at him and his girl dead in the eye like this the whole time, like a zoned-out serial killer.

Me: As I was saying...the next time I see your blanket in the washer, I will throw your blanket away...then I will throw those guinea pigs away.
K: No...don't do that (in a really soft tone, looking at the floor)
Me: No...if you ever wash that fucking blanket in the washer again, I will toss your blanket and your fucking guinea pigs in the dumpster, then I will have you kicked out.
K: (Silence. His gf is scared shitless)
Me: (After 5 seconds of silence) Do you understand?
K: (Silence. Petting his guinea pigs)
Me: (I continue standing there for another 2 seconds or so, staring at him)
K: Yeah...
Me: Perfect...Thank you (huge fake smile)

Him and his gf left with the guinea pigs and the guinea pig belongings an hour later. LOL. I can't believe he was THAT much of a bitch...letting a guy do that to him in front of his gf. I don't expect them to stay together long. Lols

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So yeah, a lot of men today aren't really "men" at all...Kinda sad, but kinda not.

May we all become fucking monsters =D

 

[Smith]

Cool stories Fsc and Rob!
It's interesting to see other men making these mistakes, but not so long ago I was just in their shoes.

I have a cute friend, who told me she gets chatted up by guys a lot during the day and even showed me their text messages. A Swedish guy took her out to expensive dinner twice and didn't make any moves at all and had long point-less text conversation with her. In his last attempt to get her attention, he texted her that he's swimming with dolphins LOL. She told me she knew he's lying but exchanged another few texts with him and ignored him. There are more guys like him who chased her that pretty much followed the same pattern as above. I really learned a lot from her about what not to do and they all follow the advice here on GC.

Then there's another cute friend of mine, who's a flight attendant. She is really gorgeous. Usually the type of girl I would've never thought I would meet in real life lol. She is in a LTR but whenever she's traveling, she always get hit on by random guys who ask her random questions.

I'm still hoping I can learn some good lessons from guys who tried to sleep with my friends, but so far these men are hard to come by.

 

[PrettyDecent]

Yeah, I don't have anything to contribute, but to encourage more of this. Kinda forgot this still happens in the world

~Nick

 

[Rhaegar]

I am recognizing a few things that the weak men do that relate to me that I never even noticed before.

Good to know, I'll make sure those weak traits go away.

 

[Zoro]

There is a lot of good stuff here. I'm sure a lot of the guys in these stories would be shocked (or perhaps cry a bit more) at knowing what these women really think of them and that they are a dime a dozen.

Fsc, I especially enjoyed your stories and how you had a part to play in them as a masculine man.

Then I came to this part... I was think "oh man,this look is probably fierce!"

I spoke slowly, calmly, with a deep tone, and I looked at him and his girl dead in the eye like this the whole time, like a zoned-out serial killer.

And it was actually was 20x more intimidating than I thought! That look is inhuman! I'm not surprised that guy didn't look up from the floor.

By the way, what is that actor's name? I'd like to see some of his movies. Seems like your a fan as well.

 

[fsc]

There is a lot of good stuff here. I'm sure a lot of the guys in these stories would be shocked (or perhaps cry a bit more) at knowing what these women really think of them and that they are a dime a dozen.

Fsc, I especially enjoyed your stories and how you had a part to play in them as a masculine man.

Then I came to this part... I was think "oh man,this look is probably fierce!"

I spoke slowly, calmly, with a deep tone, and I looked at him and his girl dead in the eye like this the whole time, like a zoned-out serial killer.

And it was actually was 20x more intimidating than I thought! That look is inhuman! I'm not surprised that guy didn't look up from the floor.

By the way, what is that actor's name? I'd like to see some of his movies. Seems like your a fan as well.

Glad to hear you enjoyed my bragging =]

I think you would've laughed if you saw it in person because I had Ash Ketchum hair, and I was in my boxers with a worn-out plain shirt (I just woke up and was trying to do laundry).

His name is So Ji Sub. I've only seen "Cain and Abel", which is a decent Korean drama you can watch with English subtitles at dramafever.com. I'm not really into Korean entertainment, but he seems pretty masculine and chill compared to many other currently-popular Korean actors who seem to be trending toward a cute and courteous vibe like this dude.

 

[lao che]

this thread is quite amusing. i personally make a point of never asking a girl about other dudes in her life, so i can't share any funny stories with you guys. in regards to the original post, though, it seems quite simply a matter of economic supply and demand. the ugly girls and omega-chodes-or-whateverthefuck need to get laid just like anyone else. the girl is too ugly to attract the attention of the good looking guys/guys with game so she takes what she can get. and the guys are too weak/ugly/gameless to get a better quality girl,so they take what they can get. the guys are the male equivalent of a female 'five'. they both probably hate and resent the sex and the girl clearly has no respect for the guys, must be awful for her but, hey, at least they're gettin some.


OP, all the guys were 'B' team or lower, i assume? what are the supposedly more masciline 'A' team guys like?