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As I was browsing through these forums, I came over a post talking about "Roosh" and how he's lost his mind.
In particular, one article caught my eye (https://www.rooshv.com/i-lived-most-of-my-life-under-demonic-influence) as I felt like I knew where he was coming from.
I'll explain a little bit about myself before I go on about what I want to say. I'm currently living in the west after having lived my entire life and childhood in a third world country, with a very heavy Muslim, low-mid class upbringing. At the age of 9-10, maybe, unlike everyone in my neighborhood, I started having different views on religion after reading that Muhammed used to be unlike everyone else in his town. I read that he would go out of his way to deeply think and observe the world, and that one of those times, an oracle came down to explain to him that he was a messenger of the true nature of this world. I remember the day I read this; I felt as if I had a revelation, as if I had the oracle come down to tell me something no one around me seemed to understand. Though, I regressed and decided to live with these doubts to conform with the entirety of everyone around me. Over the years, more and more evidence came to me that something is off. For example, my grandma would tell me many stories about mythical creatures that I'd see in the Quran or taught in my religious school. I remember it all clicked when the same stories were told to me by a tour guide in Egypt, translating the hieroglyphics written on the walls thousands of years ago. It's also still kinda funny to me knowing that Muhammed had 11 wives, yet God had told him every man is allowed a maximum of 4. I remember researching this. All I found was "he's permitted, as he needed to show examples with his wives."
Regardless, I mainly wanted to explain my perspective on what Roosh is saying, coming from someone who'd been religious for a very long time. The article talks about how he's been following the devil. As he took women's virginities thinking he was showing them a pathway to great pleasures only to realize that he took away their purity. Personally, I recognize the values religion has put as a very vague attempt to go in the complete opposite direction of chaos.
Let me explain. I like to believe that what religion calls pure evil is simply CHAOS, and what it calls pure good is ORDER. Seems obvious, right? Think of this, when your thoughts are put together, and you know your goal and purpose, there's order, you're happy, and you're optimistic. On the other hand, if you were purely hedonistic, living in chaos, satisfying your human needs, and fulfilling all your vices, you feel a void. You get short-term happiness, and for some reason you hate yourself, in reality, for you have been selfish.
It's not the vices in and of themselves that imply what's evil and what's not. It's the fact that two thousand years ago, no one could be controlled. No one understood empathy. Only the philosophers and prophets could see the world from outside their egos as they were the only ones that dared to face their inner demons.
I believe these messages the prophets have been preaching for all have one main goal that we should consider. Empathy. Seeing things in third-person. They also attempted to keep their very chaotic world in order, which is necessary, but this isn't the old age. There's already order, and a little bit of chaos is what keeps us going. (you can't imagine a world where humans have everything in order and nothing is going wrong, we're conditioned to keep things in order, but how can we do that when there's no chaos?)
To keep order in our lives and those around us, we need to incorporate empathy into our actions, making us a little more selfless. Still, in reality, we're just working for the greater good. (which is what most religions have been preaching for) The reason religion has been preaching selflessness is most likely as we are tribal beings. It is ingrained in us to care for our kind, yet we are going against our nature when we act selfishly. We're outcasts, and we hate ourselves alongside everyone else, even if we don't know it.
Obviously, it's essential to gauge how much empathy to have for every situation. People can either play red or black in the game of life, and it's up to us to play it right.
Hope you're all having a beautiful COVID season, and as Hector says... keep fucking.
In particular, one article caught my eye (https://www.rooshv.com/i-lived-most-of-my-life-under-demonic-influence) as I felt like I knew where he was coming from.
I'll explain a little bit about myself before I go on about what I want to say. I'm currently living in the west after having lived my entire life and childhood in a third world country, with a very heavy Muslim, low-mid class upbringing. At the age of 9-10, maybe, unlike everyone in my neighborhood, I started having different views on religion after reading that Muhammed used to be unlike everyone else in his town. I read that he would go out of his way to deeply think and observe the world, and that one of those times, an oracle came down to explain to him that he was a messenger of the true nature of this world. I remember the day I read this; I felt as if I had a revelation, as if I had the oracle come down to tell me something no one around me seemed to understand. Though, I regressed and decided to live with these doubts to conform with the entirety of everyone around me. Over the years, more and more evidence came to me that something is off. For example, my grandma would tell me many stories about mythical creatures that I'd see in the Quran or taught in my religious school. I remember it all clicked when the same stories were told to me by a tour guide in Egypt, translating the hieroglyphics written on the walls thousands of years ago. It's also still kinda funny to me knowing that Muhammed had 11 wives, yet God had told him every man is allowed a maximum of 4. I remember researching this. All I found was "he's permitted, as he needed to show examples with his wives."
Regardless, I mainly wanted to explain my perspective on what Roosh is saying, coming from someone who'd been religious for a very long time. The article talks about how he's been following the devil. As he took women's virginities thinking he was showing them a pathway to great pleasures only to realize that he took away their purity. Personally, I recognize the values religion has put as a very vague attempt to go in the complete opposite direction of chaos.
Let me explain. I like to believe that what religion calls pure evil is simply CHAOS, and what it calls pure good is ORDER. Seems obvious, right? Think of this, when your thoughts are put together, and you know your goal and purpose, there's order, you're happy, and you're optimistic. On the other hand, if you were purely hedonistic, living in chaos, satisfying your human needs, and fulfilling all your vices, you feel a void. You get short-term happiness, and for some reason you hate yourself, in reality, for you have been selfish.
It's not the vices in and of themselves that imply what's evil and what's not. It's the fact that two thousand years ago, no one could be controlled. No one understood empathy. Only the philosophers and prophets could see the world from outside their egos as they were the only ones that dared to face their inner demons.
I believe these messages the prophets have been preaching for all have one main goal that we should consider. Empathy. Seeing things in third-person. They also attempted to keep their very chaotic world in order, which is necessary, but this isn't the old age. There's already order, and a little bit of chaos is what keeps us going. (you can't imagine a world where humans have everything in order and nothing is going wrong, we're conditioned to keep things in order, but how can we do that when there's no chaos?)
To keep order in our lives and those around us, we need to incorporate empathy into our actions, making us a little more selfless. Still, in reality, we're just working for the greater good. (which is what most religions have been preaching for) The reason religion has been preaching selflessness is most likely as we are tribal beings. It is ingrained in us to care for our kind, yet we are going against our nature when we act selfishly. We're outcasts, and we hate ourselves alongside everyone else, even if we don't know it.
Obviously, it's essential to gauge how much empathy to have for every situation. People can either play red or black in the game of life, and it's up to us to play it right.
Hope you're all having a beautiful COVID season, and as Hector says... keep fucking.
